Another recall for AB

Oceanbreeze said:
That may be true; in the mind of the surgeon. But, VERY FEW surgeons truly does this for purely altruistic reasons. If people honestly believe that ALL do, they're dreaming or in denial.

However, I believe that it's too much of a sweeping generality to say that ALL ENTS that implant are greedy and in it for the money. But, most are. That's just our society and how we operate (pun not intended). Nearly everything is driven by the almighty dollar.
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Surgeons don't become surgeons because they want to work for free and make no money, even if their motives are altruistic in nature. Surgeons like everyone else need to survive. They need to pay the light bill, buy food, etc.. like all the rest of us.
 
deafgal001 said:
Like I wrote, technology change. Once they get familiar with one implant, a new one come out (like cochlear implant developed soft tip, self curling array)

so is it they are familiar with the company or the implant?
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The surgery does not change from one brand of CI to the next. The incision made, tools used, the anatomy of the ear concerning the implant, where the electrodes are implanted, etc.. is all the same regardless of brand.

Cochlear implant - Wikipedia
 
iavswn said:
The surgery does not change from one brand of CI to the next. The incision made, tools used, the anatomy of the ear concerning the implant, where the electrodes are implanted, etc.. is all the same regardless of brand.

Cochlear implant - Wikipedia
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actually is isn't the same...it differs slighty by company. the spot of the where the magnet internally is different...i know someone with medel on one side and cochlear on the other and her surgeon (for both) told her that the approx spot is recommended by the company
 
Tousi said:
So, in all probability, they would pick a doc who is most familiar with the brand chosen.
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I would assume so. But they're all surgeons within the same CI clinic, so they're all probably well versed in the different brands.
 
iavswn said:
Surgeons don't become surgeons because they want to work for free and make no money, even if their motives are altruistic in nature. Surgeons like everyone else need to survive. They need to pay the light bill, buy food, etc.. like all the rest of us.
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You're preaching to the choir. I've had 30+ surgeries in my lifetime, so, I'm well versed in this. Btw, I also support CIs implantation; along with a full toolbox approach to communication. :cool2:
 
iavswn said:
The surgery does not change from one brand of CI to the next. The incision made, tools used, the anatomy of the ear concerning the implant, where the electrodes are implanted, etc.. is all the same regardless of brand.

Cochlear implant - Wikipedia
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While this is true, Wikipedia is a laughable source to use when citing material and facts. If someone wanted to, they could argue the point. On this site, it's possible someone will.
 
The tools that the surgeon uses are a bit different for each make. The longest part of the surgery is the drilling out the recess for the receiver package. There is parts inventory for each of the manufacturers . The surgeon takes classes for each make.
The Cochlear N5 implant was developed with surgeons input. The N5 internal implant is thining and stronger than my internal freedom implant and takes les

The CI audiologist that I use has different laptops for each make. The fitting software has to be updated form time to time
 
The tools that the surgeon uses are a bit different for each make. The longest part of the surgery is the drilling out the recess for the receiver package. There is parts inventory for each of the manufacturers. The surgeon also takes classes for each make.

The Cochlear N5 internal implant for example was developed with some surgeons requests in mind. The N5 internal implant is thinner and stronger than the freedom implant and takes less time for surgeon to implant.

The CI audiologist that I use has different laptops for each make and backups to the user’s maps are made on the company secure server. The fitting software has to be updated from time to time. The last time I visit my CI audiologist they just had an update to the Cochlear fitting software two days before my appointment and it changed the way the Zoom microphones are implemented on my N5 processor upgrade from my Freedom.

One of the sad things about this AB recall is that it happens near the end of the year and people waiting for a surgery are wondering if they will have insurance coverage available for next year. Decisions had to be made either to wait or switch while they still have their surgery time slots.
 
iavswn said:
The surgery does not change from one brand of CI to the next. The incision made, tools used, the anatomy of the ear concerning the implant, where the electrodes are implanted, etc.. is all the same regardless of brand.

Cochlear implant - Wikipedia
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The shape of the indentation in which the receiver/stimulator is placed, the positioning and placement of the electrode array and individual electrodes all differ from one make of implant to another.
 
Tousi said:
Why would that be unethical since there are only three brands of CIs to choose from. Are you saying that the doc should be offering all three?
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I don't know if it's unethical or not. Australia only has one brand CI on offer and that's Cochlear. I guess it's cheaper for our health system just to have one brand. But in America, they have three CI brands on offer then every CI surgeons should provide the patient withe three choices.

posts from hell said:
I know man. They're in excess of $100,000 sometimes too. imagine nearly a half of a million dollars in just two people, two implants.
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I think it's ridiculous that Americans has to shell out a fortune on CI and surgery. In Australia, CI is free for all, but if someone wants an upgrade to their processor then it'll cost 10K.

deafbajagal said:
Hmmm. A CI or a big rock (diamond) ring. Which should I choose? Hmm.
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I'd go for the diamond ring as they're pretty and they don't break. ;)
 
john57 said:
The tools that the surgeon uses are a bit different for each make. The longest part of the surgery is the drilling out the recess for the receiver package. There is parts inventory for each of the manufacturers. The surgeon also takes classes for each make.
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They are still standard surgical instruments with the same use and function. The recess gauges, recess templates, electrode claws, etc.. are identical in that regard.

see:

http://www.advancedbionics.com/user...alog_2-090959-surgicalcatalog-final-lores.pdf

http://professionals.cochlearameric.../resources/N30965F_Freedom_surgical tools.pdf
 
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iavswn said:
You don't speak for me. You don't decide what is best for me. So just back off!
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Woah!..umm did she say she was referring to YOU! No she didn't so I think it is you, sir, who needs to do the backing off. Get a grip on yourself
 
Sorry but your are incorrect. They are not standard surgical tools. You can not use Advance Bionics tools to implant a Cochlear N5 implant for example.
Like your URLs are showing that they are a bit different.

iavswn said:
They are still standard surgical instruments with the same use and function. The recess gauges, recess templates, electrode claws, etc.. are identical in that regard.

see:

http://www.advancedbionics.com/user...alog_2-090959-surgicalcatalog-final-lores.pdf

http://professionals.cochlearameric.../resources/N30965F_Freedom_surgical tools.pdf
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I am thankful not to get CI inside my head.

No offense to those people with CIs.
 
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