Another recall for AB

drphil said:
Why should I regress to "misery" over my choice to be implanted? Sorry not following your "non directive script"! Interesting-a believer in "autonomy" except for those deaf persons who reject the sociological theory of "cultural deafness". How can that be reconciled? Cognitive dissonance?
Would a" non directive discussion" with Dr Phil be of assistance? His website: drphil.com

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You are following my non-directive script. Perhaps you are confused on the meaning of non-directive. I just told you do what you want to do. How non-directive do you want me to be?

I doubt seriously that misery would be a case of regression in your case. But seriously, if you are so satisfied, why are you trying to hard to convince everyone how satisfied you are? Just get on with your life.

And why, pray tell, if you are so comfortable with your position, did you even conceive of the idea of visiting a deaf forum to begin with? It certainly appears that you are searching for something you don't have.
 
drphil said:
Really! Is this "phenomena"- reality? Is this sociological theory the imaginary basis of "non pathological physical deafness"? Which part of ones' body does this reside- Or does it? Which subset of persons get "this"-but not others?. Does other "human problems"-lack of arms/legs fit this as well? Being "blind" within this cultural classification?
I just checked one of my text books-Sociology=Canadian perspective- Robert Hagedorn et al Holt Rinehart Winston of Canada Ltd Toronto 1980. 626 pages. No reference to deaf people in the entire book.Culture and Social organization-Chapter 3 and Socialization Chapter 4

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You seem to be terribly interested in cultural deafness, or Deafness, for someone who doesn't see a need for it in their life.:hmm:

Take that sociology text and apply a little critical thinking.:roll:
 
jillio said:
And why, pray tell, if you are so comfortable with your position, did you even conceive of the idea of visiting a deaf forum to begin with? It certainly appears that you are searching for something you don't have.
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Duh, maybe because it is a cochlear implant subforum and he has a cochlear implant.

We could say the same about you: That for a hearing parent of a non-implanted deaf child, who, after a quarter of a century, only knows 35 people with cochlear implants and who is opposed to children getting the benefits and opportunities of a cochlear implant, you spend an inordinate amount of time trolling in a cochlear implant forum.

Perhaps for you too "It certainly appears that you are searching for something you don't have" or did not provide to your child when you had the opportunity to do so.

Rick
 
rick48 said:
Duh, maybe because it is a cochlear implant subforum and he has a cochlear implant.

We could say the same about you: That for a hearing parent of a non-implanted deaf child, who, after a quarter of a century, only knows 35 people with cochlear implants and who is opposed to children getting the benefits and opportunities of a cochlear implant, you spend an inordinate amount of time trolling in a cochlear implant forum.

Perhaps for you too "It certainly appears that you are searching for something you don't have" or did not provide to your child when you had the opportunity to do so.

Rick
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lol........... you have reading comprehension issues. gotta love it.
 
rick48 said:
Duh, maybe because it is a cochlear implant subforum and he has a cochlear implant.

We could say the same about you: That for a hearing parent of a non-implanted deaf child, who, after a quarter of a century, only knows 35 people with cochlear implants and who is opposed to children getting the benefits and opportunities of a cochlear implant, you spend an inordinate amount of time trolling in a cochlear implant forum.

Perhaps for you too "It certainly appears that you are searching for something you don't have" or did not provide to your child when you had the opportunity to do so.

Rick
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Yep, those reading comprehension problems are pretty consistent. Ever been tested for that?
 
jillio said:
Yep, those reading comprehension problems are pretty consistent. Ever been tested for that?
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No, but on my college diploma it reads summa cum laude, do you know what that means?

Don't worry I read you like a well worn book.
 
drphil said:
Really! Is this "phenomena"- reality? Is this sociological theory the imaginary basis of "non pathological physical deafness"? Which part of ones' body does this reside- Or does it? Which subset of persons get "this"-but not others?. Does other "human problems"-lack of arms/legs fit this as well? Being "blind" within this cultural classification?
I just checked one of my text books-Sociology=Canadian perspective- Robert Hagedorn et al Holt Rinehart Winston of Canada Ltd Toronto 1980. 626 pages. No reference to deaf people in the entire book.Culture and Social organization-Chapter 3 and Socialization Chapter 4

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Every heard of the Cultural and Medical Models of deafness?
 
rick48 said:
No, but on my college diploma it reads summa cum laude, do you know what that means?

Don't worry I read you like a well worn book.
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Oh, wow! You got a bachelor degree. Aren't you special?

Shame you seem to have lost those skills. A result of aging, perhaps? Those synapses not what they used to be, it seems.
 
jillio said:
Oh, wow! You got a bachelor degree. Aren't you special?

Shame you seem to have lost those skills. A result of aging, perhaps? Those synapses not what they used to be, it seems.
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But you didn't answer my question or don't you know what summa cum laude means?

I also have a post graduate degree with other Latin words on it as well but unlike you I would never mock someone who does or does not have a college degree as some of the least intelligent people I have met are those perpetual students who just rack up degrees and think that gives them a higher status than others.
 
Have i ever heard of "cultural" deafness vs real deafness? Yes! That is why it doesn't make any sense to me- especially since December 20, 2006 from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE. The date I became bilaterally deaf. I have mentioned before- a lot of "deaf culture" info came from the book: A Journey into the DEAF-WORLD Harlan Lane, Robert Hoffmeister & Ben Bahan Dawn Sign Press San Diego California 1996 512 pages. Toronto Public Library 305.90816 LAN. All 3 are Professors. Of interest to this discussion- I just checked the index-no reference to "pathological OR non pathological deafness". Pace Jillio: I have the book in front of me-not my imagination. Have you read it? Do you agree with their diatribe: The Hearing Agenda 11" Eradicating the DEAF-WORLD? chapter 14?

Isn't the heading of this thread- Hearing Aid & Cochlear Implants which I have. I have been dealing with Hearing loss for over 50 years and now deafness for the last 4 years.
Thanks Rick for the the info on Jillio-something didn't make much sense to me previously- it now does. I have been here only since July/10

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rick48 said:
But you didn't answer my question or don't you know what summa cum laude means?

I also have a post graduate degree with other Latin words on it as well but unlike you I would never mock someone who does or does not have a college degree as some of the least intelligent people I have met are those perpetual students who just rack up degrees and think that gives them a higher status than others.
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Why bother answering your questions? You apparently can't read the answers.
 
drphil said:
Have i ever heard of "cultural" deafness vs real deafness? Yes! That is why it doesn't make any sense to me- especially since December 20, 2006 from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE. The date I became bilaterally deaf. I have mentioned before- a lot of "deaf culture" info came from the book: A Journey into the DEAF-WORLD Harlan Lane, Robert Hoffmeister & Ben Bahan Dawn Sign Press San Diego California 1996 512 pages. Toronto Public Library 305.90816 LAN. All 3 are Professors. Of interest to this discussion- I just checked the index-no reference to "pathological OR non pathological deafness". Pace Jillio: I have the book in front of me-not my imagination. Have you read it? Do you agree with their diatribe: The Hearing Agenda 11" Eradicating the DEAF-WORLD? chapter 14?

Isn't the heading of this thread- Hearing Aid & Cochlear Implants which I have. I have been dealing with Hearing loss for over 50 years and now deafness for the last 4 years.
Thanks Rick for the the info on Jillio-something didn't make much sense to me previously- it now does. I have been here only since July/10

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"real deafness"? You are very confused. And if you are listening to anything rick48 has to say, you are grossly misinformed, as well. He is an audist bully with some sort of grudge he is attempting to play out.:roll: But thanks for the heads up. I see he is engaging in his usual sneaky, underhanded tactics. Some serious issues going on with that one. You might want to ask yourself why he keeps coming back to a forum where he hates all the members. That is abnormal behavior.

Yep, I've read it. Along with many others. I guess the difference is, I actually understood and was able to apply what I was reading.

Correction: you have not been "dealing with" deafness. You have been fighting against it. And as long as you continue to fight against it, you will never reach the point of actually dealing with it.

Yep. The section is titled "Hearing Aids and Cochlear Implants". Have you forgotten the forum name? What kind of reactions did you think you were going to get on a forum where the majority of the members are deaf?

To quote your hero: "how's that workin' for ya?"
 
Interesting Jillio should quote Dr Phil- how is that working for you-my Implant -great. Thanks for asking.. The forum name-alldeaf.com- no problem I AM DEAF. apparently YOU ARE NOT -CORRECT? Using ASL doesn't make one really deaf or does self defining oneself either. Correct? I am NOT confused about real deafness-SILENCE. No I haven't discussed my deafness with a psychologist to determine if I am imagining that.
Obviously I don't subscribe to the theory of doing NOTHING with my increasing hearing loss over extended time. ASL doesn't bring in sound- to the best of my knowledge. As you should be aware one can't go back 50 years and change the past. Another one of Dr Phil's thought.About 6-8 years ago I discussed with my then ENT doctor at-St MIcheals/ENT clinic if an Cochlear Implant would improve" hearing" over using my then current Phonak LL6 Hearing aid. His opinion -it would NOT. When I became deaf December 20/06 and requesting immediate referral he was on holidays! The head doctor saw me, read my extensive file and immediately referred me to the Cochlear Implant section-Sunnybrook/Toronto The process started in Feb/07.Fortunately successful so far.

Do you subscribe to the message of genocide of the deaf by ENT doctors as discussed in Ch 14? Is that ravings of crackpots? Gee does that include ME as a deaf person-genocide candidate? Is that reality?

Why you label Rick 48 an audist bully- I have no idea. He did mention that you are hearing person with a deaf daughter(age?) and "declined an implant". Factual statement? To me that was your choice as such-no comment.
Remember I joined in July 2010.

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Jillo, Dr phil, Rick48 and whoever is involved, please take this nonsense somewhere else. Or I'll have the mods to lock this thread as it's not on topic.
 
On topic- I have an Advanced Bionics Harmony Implant. To date have NOT received any info from Advanced Bionics re my Implant. Obviously not an ongoing problem of all their implants.
Some of the above discussion is hardly "nonsense"-at least from my viewpoint.

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sorry for the duplicate. Of course, is "nonsense" in the eye of the beholder?

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drphil said:
Interesting Jillio should quote Dr Phil- how is that working for you-my Implant -great. Thanks for asking.. The forum name-alldeaf.com- no problem I AM DEAF. apparently YOU ARE NOT -CORRECT? Using ASL doesn't make one really deaf or does self defining oneself either. Correct? I am NOT confused about real deafness-SILENCE. No I haven't discussed my deafness with a psychologist to determine if I am imagining that.
Obviously I don't subscribe to the theory of doing NOTHING with my increasing hearing loss over extended time. ASL doesn't bring in sound- to the best of my knowledge. As you should be aware one can't go back 50 years and change the past. Another one of Dr Phil's thought.About 6-8 years ago I discussed with my then ENT doctor at-St MIcheals/ENT clinic if an Cochlear Implant would improve" hearing" over using my then current Phonak LL6 Hearing aid. His opinion -it would NOT. When I became deaf December 20/06 and requesting immediate referral he was on holidays! The head doctor saw me, read my extensive file and immediately referred me to the Cochlear Implant section-Sunnybrook/Toronto The process started in Feb/07.Fortunately successful so far.

Do you subscribe to the message of genocide of the deaf by ENT doctors as discussed in Ch 14? Is that ravings of crackpots? Gee does that include ME as a deaf person-genocide candidate? Is that reality?

Why you label Rick 48 an audist bully- I have no idea. He did mention that you are hearing person with a deaf daughter(age?) and "declined an implant". Factual statement? To me that was your choice as such-no comment.
Remember I joined in July 2010.

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To answer your question, "Not correct." Obviously you are still missing the point. Of course you have no idea. You don't know the history of this forum, nor can you identify audism when it is glaringly obvious.

Yep, the world revolves around sound. Without it, your life is unfulfilled. Once must achieve hearing at all costs. I certainly hope those whose implants were recalled do not suffer permanent damage from the additional surgeries necessary to correct the problems with AB's devices.

The information you received is incorrect. I do not have a deaf daughter. I didn't decline an implant. I was never offered one, lol.
 
Off topic briefly: I don't know the history of this forum-so what? As for human sound/speech use we were "created" that way. Does having a Cochlea/vocal chords mean anything? As for " personal fulfillment" depends on ones philosophical perception.
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I guess you should know if you have a deaf daughter- I don't. Why would you be offered an Implant-are you deaf? From my experience in this matter one must start the process on whether one can meet the criteria of implanting. Sunnybrook Cochlear Implant team didn't knock at my front door. Different where you are? Of course-who pays for it?

On topic: briefly mentioned about AB"problems" occurred within the first 60-90 days of implantation. This doesn't apply to me- July 12, 2007 was the operation.

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