Why Cochlear Implants Hurt Deaf Culture?

ismi said:
First, "wheelchairs" are devices, not people. Second, the vast majority of us wheelchair users are perfectly capable of working. We are no more disabled than you. The problems of employment that the physically disabled have are largely the same as the problems that deaf have - discrimination, education, and so on.

To say otherwise is quite offensive, particularly given the work the disability rights movement has done over the years, and the benefit that the deaf community has gotten out of it.
he means to say "wheelchair bound"
 
Boult said:
well, that's what google and yahoo, ask.com are for :) :whistle:


Okay, let's say what IF they're poor and don't have computers then what?..


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^Angel^ said:
Okay, let's say what IF they're poor and don't have computers then what?..


:aw:
There's always library that have internet connections :) but they can do research at library ;)
 
^Angel^ said:
I can see your point there sis, sometimes I wonder what the difference between a hearing aids and CI and what makes CI more special then hearing aids?...


Because CI is powerful tool than hearing aids which requires surgical procedure, Some Deafness cannot pick up sounds with hearing aids, so they want more, they go after CI, When they get implanted, They intend to hear better with their malfunctioning CI than they heard with hearing aids. They go like "OMG! I can hear! I'm hearing now! I can hear the cows mooing all the way from New York to Canada!" "I can hear my own dad snoring, OMG! It sounds like a horse!"

Don't take my post offensed, It only meant to be humor on the last part. ;)
 
Cheri said:
Because CI is powerful tool than hearing aids which requires surgical procedure, Some Deafness cannot pick up sounds with hearing aids, so they want more, they go after CI, When they get implanted, They intend to hear better with their malfunctioning CI than they heard with hearing aids. They go like "OMG! I can hear! I'm hearing now! I can hear the cows mooing all the way from New York to Canada!" "I can hear my own dad snoring, OMG! It sounds like a horse!"

Don't take my post offensed, It only meant to be humor on the last part. ;)


I understand but from what I've read that CI and hearing aids are no difference when some deaf people hear so well with the use of hearing aids while others can't, that's why CI is available for those who has recieve no benefit from the use of hearing aids...

Please do correct me if I'm wrong here.... :angel:
 
^Angel^ said:
I understand but from what I've read that CI and hearing aids are no difference when some deaf people hear so well with the use of hearing aids while others can't, that's why CI is available for those who has recieve no benefit from the use of hearing aids...

Please do correct me if I'm wrong here.... :angel:


You're correct.
 
I can't help but get the impression that the deaf community has a manic paranoia of anything involving surgery, becuase that is the point that is brought up repeatedly - that a CI requires surgery, as if it was like asking people to tear off an arm or a leg.
 
neecy said:
I can't help but get the impression that the deaf community has a manic paranoia of anything involving surgery, becuase that is the point that is brought up repeatedly - that a CI requires surgery, as if it was like asking people to tear off an arm or a leg.


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I was only pointing out the fact, Chill neecy. :)
 
Boult said:
sorry angel :) I didn't mean to shoot your question down


It's okay Boult, it just that what worries me the most is that some hearing parents may not be told about sign language and they might be given some false information about only learning to speak once they're being implanted with CI... :dunno:
 
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It wasn't directed at you specifically Cheri - I have seen this arguement come up time and time again by those who don't support CI's, on this forum, and on others, and the specific fact that surgery is involved seems to be a key issue in a lot of the negativity towards CI's. It makes me wonder why.
 
neecy said:
It wasn't directed at you specifically Cheri - I have seen this arguement come up time and time again by those who don't support CI's, on this forum, and on others, and the specific fact that surgery is involved seems to be a key issue in a lot of the negativity towards CI's. It makes me wonder why.


Only key issue in a lot of negativity toward CI's when it comes to those who kept labeling themselves as a hearing person.
 
neecy said:
I can't help but get the impression that the deaf community has a manic paranoia of anything involving surgery, becuase that is the point that is brought up repeatedly - that a CI requires surgery, as if it was like asking people to tear off an arm or a leg.


I don't believe that's true , but I respect your opinon on how you see it....
 
^Angel^ said:
I've noticed some deaf people are saying that cochlear implants hurt their deaf culture and I'm curious to know why they feel that way, please remember to keep an open mind on both sides, cause I'm willing to listen to everyone's view/opinions on this topic here...Please let's discuss in a civil manner without putting anyone down, Thanks :grouphug:


Why do some of you feel that cochlear implants hurt the deaf culture?....


For the past 20 years since its conception, I noticed it is a failure as those implanted ones still rely on ASL, sign language interpreters and many do put away the devices when their parents or oppressors are not looking....so it proves it is a failure in my opinion! :cheers:

It is great to be :deaf:

LOL!!!
 
^Angel^ said:
I understand but from what I've read that CI and hearing aids are no difference when some deaf people hear so well with the use of hearing aids while others can't, that's why CI is available for those who has recieve no benefit from the use of hearing aids...

Please do correct me if I'm wrong here.... :angel:

Yes exactly.

CIs are just a different way of allowing deaf people to gain sound. It bypasses damage in the inner ear. I can't use hearing aids any more because my hair nerves are very badly damaged but with the CI I can have a different way of gaining sound.

In fact for profoundly deaf people CIs are probably less powerful and less demanding than the hearing aids required to amplify sounds to appropriate levels. Years of wearing powerful hearing aids eventually wore my hair nerves down and caused permenant damage.

The surgery is just one day and lasts for a few hours and it's one off.
 
Cheri said:
Only key issue in a lot of negativity toward CI's when it comes to those who kept labeling themselves as a hearing person.

You seem to be devoting a disproportionate amount of time on this theme considering that no one here with a CI now considers themself a new hearing person.
 
^Angel^ said:
It's okay Boult, it just that what worries me the most is that some hearing parents may not be told about sign language and they might be given some false information about only learning to speak once they're being implanted with CI... :dunno:

This is where I feel the deaf community could be more aggressive in reaching out those families. They need to tap into the networks that facilitate those parents such as audiologists, doctors, magazines etc and distribute information with a positive, welcoming and non judgmental focus.

Unfortunately I've noticed that a lot of parents are scared of the deaf community as they are aware of some of the more militant ideas such as that their deaf children are only on loan to them until they can be returned to the deaf community and that oralism is child abuse and such children should be removed etc. They are genuinely worried that they will lose their children and that their children won't want anything to do with them once they've found the community because they are hearing. Those ideas may sound silly and I doubt that it ever happens but the parents need to have those concerns addressed and reassurance provided.

If the deaf community reached out and made itself accepting of all deaf people but still keeping its positive focus on sign I'm sure that more progress would be made in hooking into those families.

It is an issue that affects children with hearing aids as well. As has been said earlier in the thread 90% of deaf children have hearing parents so they are an important factor in the future of the deaf community.
 
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