Why Cochlear Implants Hurt Deaf Culture?

TrippLA is this profanity really necessary?
 
What aren't you understanding? I'm simply wondering why you feel the need to interject profanity in your dialogues. It's rather crude.
 
neecy said:
What aren't you understanding? I'm simply wondering why you feel the need to interject profanity in your dialogues. It's rather crude.
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That's same what I was social with few people that who got CI, not all of them are same but some of them are forgot what they said. I always use profanity language, not most of time everyday. They got mad at me when explains how CI cannot become hearing again. That's not AIM, MSN or Yahoo Instant Messaging.
 
TrippLA said:
That's kidding with IceCream, just ignore him though. We let make fun of him though. :)
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I would say that making fun of people and encouraging others to ignore him is bullying myself. You don't have to agree with his views but at least respond to him in a non personal way.
 
R2D2 said:
I would say that making fun of people and encouraging others to ignore him is bullying myself. You don't have to agree with his views but at least respond to him in a non personal way.
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Yea, I know but won't be mean with him. Just let him to make laugh or something like that.
 
Cheri said:
That's why you'll see members here judge those parents or late implated adults because of how they wording their posts, It's more like a slap in the face to the Deaf community, and insults to the Deaf. ;) I'm not going to sit here and lie to you about how I've seen it and How I feel when reading posts across this board about those who shared their experience and based on how they answered questions, It's always about what they want, the parents the lated implainted deafness who doesn't have children yet, but somedays they would. But, what about the children? Do the implanted children have the right to know it's Deaf Culture?
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I acknowledge you feelings but your argument is with the feelings and attitudes hearing people/ implanted adults generally not with CIs themselves. CIs are no different to hearing aids in that regard. The same people you are unhappy with were and are doing exactly the same things with hearing aids - creating people who can talk like them.
Should hearing aids likewise be withheld from children who could benefit from them so that they can be immersed in the deaf culture first? Why the difference between the two? From an invasive point of view we are only talking about a one off few hours of surgery to insert some very fine electrode wires and then after that CIs are used in a manner not dissimilar to hearing aids.

I wouldn't say then that CIs hurt deaf culture, I don't personally see them as much different to hearing aids. The CI doesn't turn you into a hearing person and the child or adult is still obviously deaf in public with the processor and magnet in place. Therefore you are still going to have people who want to find others like them just like people with hearing aids did.
 
Cheri said:
How does it works both ways? Deflord is missing the point. Let me explain something here,


When I said that, Most hearing parents implanted their Deaf children, they're not accepting the child for who he/she is since birth, does not involved their children in the Deaf community, ONLY hearing world.

When Most Deaf Parents have hearing children, Do you see them implanting or poking something in their ears in order to make a child deaf like the parents?No, because Deaf parents accept their hearing children, the way he/she was born.

And Most hearing parents want their CI implant children involved more in the hearing world because the parents are hearing.

And Most Deaf parents allowing their hearing children involved in hearing word, (Hearing Culture) because the children are hearing, The parents are not dragging them in their world (Deaf Culture)

You see the big differences?
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You know just because a child was implanted with a CI Doesnt mean that they aren't accepting the child. You know this world is 99% hearing! We have to work with HEARING people but then again the majority of the deaf community chooses to work either in a deaf related occupation or collect SSDI. And you know what - those who do learn to live and communicate in the hearing world will for sure succeed in real life and achieve further success than those who don't. I bet if the government took away SSDI for all the deaf individuals and FORCED them to WORK for a living - then that would definitely force deaf individuals to LEARN that they will have to learn how to CO-EXIST with the hearing culture. And those who are arguing for deaf culture - what exactly is your definition of deaf culture? Is it the language? Is it the common bond? And honestly I am really sitting here (You guys might think Im pissed here but Im not) I am really laughing hard here because you guys are feeling so threatened by one little piece of technology and that the WHOLE deaf community is going to come crashing down. Let's see - One former NAD President has a CI and his daughter too. Both are VERY VERY active in the deaf community. My father and I both have a CI both of us are very very active in the deaf community. And none of us 4 have EVER claimed to be HEARING. You can't stereotype that just because ONE person said that He/SHe is hearing that they all are the same. But my main argument with this whole thing is how people are saying just because someone gets a CI the person/parent doesnt accept themselves/or their child as a deaf individual. That is my real argument with this whole thing - because that is something I STRONGLY disagree with.
 
DefLord said:
You know just because a child was implanted with a CI Doesnt mean that they aren't accepting the child. You know this world is 99% hearing! We have to work with HEARING people but then again the majority of the deaf community chooses to work either in a deaf related occupation or collect SSDI. And you know what - those who do learn to live and communicate in the hearing world will for sure succeed in real life and achieve further success than those who don't. I bet if the government took away SSDI for all the deaf individuals and FORCED them to WORK for a living - then that would definitely force deaf individuals to LEARN that they will have to learn how to CO-EXIST with the hearing culture. And those who are arguing for deaf culture - what exactly is your definition of deaf culture? Is it the language? Is it the common bond? And honestly I am really sitting here (You guys might think Im pissed here but Im not) I am really laughing hard here because you guys are feeling so threatened by one little piece of technology and that the WHOLE deaf community is going to come crashing down. Let's see - One former NAD President has a CI and his daughter too. Both are VERY VERY active in the deaf community. My father and I both have a CI both of us are very very active in the deaf community. And none of us 4 have EVER claimed to be HEARING. You can't stereotype that just because ONE person said that He/SHe is hearing that they all are the same. But my main argument with this whole thing is how people are saying just because someone gets a CI the person/parent doesnt accept themselves/or their child as a deaf individual. That is my real argument with this whole thing - because that is something I STRONGLY disagree with.
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I doubt they will cut SSDI.
 
TrippLA said:
Let me break and talk with someone that have CI. TLA is me and JoeCI is other guy with CI...

TLA: Have u got CI?
JoeCI: Yes, I got it and it feel so wonderful.
TLA: really?
JoeCI: It's work like big hearing superman.
TLA: Oh my god, give me some break... u talk like shit.
JoeCI: Why??? I think CI is good for all deaf people and You can active with it.
TLA: o_O What the fuck wrong with u?
JoeCI: Man, CI is great devices and make us become hearing again.
TLA: really? Are u no longer to be deaf?
JoeCI: Yes, That's wonderful news for me, I feel very loud and perfect.
TLA: How about u can swimming with CI?
JoeCI: It's work for me and I can swimming with CI in it, no problem.
TLA: Oh shit... Seriously, u looks like retarded.
JoeCI: Wait, I would ask to make new bills for all deaf people are required to get CI when they are born or toddlers with hearing loss. I hope it will pass and watch me.
TLA: Shit again, I doubt it would be happen and deaf people will probably protest against u, sounds like Civil Rights of 1964. God bless MLK.
JoeCI: I'm not talking about MLK, he looks stupid. I heard that black people don't get CI. I think they need go back to Africa.
TLA: What the fuck? Don't talk to me like racist and CI don't make u become hearing again. It's cannot cure it though.
JoeCI: Oh no, it's cure for me and I feel hearing today, I learned all new voices. I can talk regular as hearing people does.
TLA: that's bullshit, how about u sleeping at night?
JoeCI: I do sleep with CI on and batteries are run so well. I can hear real aliens and ghosts.
TLA: WOW... U R RETARDED. Please take ur CI off now.
JoeCI: It's still hearing after take CI off.
TLA: again, stop fool at me. I know u r still deaf when u got implanted... it don't cure to become hearing again, all of ur stories seems bullshit.
JoeCI:Leave me alone... You are bother me and not agree what I said. That hurts my feeling.
TLA: good bye and have bad luck with ur CI then STFU.

now, he got owned by our deaf anti-CI group. :rofl:

It supposed to notice what they talk about CI in real world and they think it will cure to become hearing again. I will see their stupid CI stories. :giggle:
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Seriously - you need to stay off this forums and let the adults talk. You need to stay in school and focus on graduating. This is the most ridiculous post I have read tonight. At least most of the others who are debating aren't cussing or making up some crazy scenario like you.
 
TrippLA said:
I doubt they will cut SSDI.
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Honestly THEY SHOULD! It is a WASTE of my taxpayers money! I work everyday 40-50 hours a week - and if I can do it so can every other deaf individual!

And if there ever was a bill - believe me I would ADVOCATE it! Because it is a joke and an embarrassment because it is saying "Oooohh poor us! We can't work, we are deaf - we can't work with hearing people we need government money" No the money should go to those who REALLY need it - aka the elderly, the REALLY Disabled *aka wheelchairs and etc*
 
DefLord said:
Seriously - you need to stay off this forums and let the adults talk. You need to stay in school and focus on graduating. This is the most ridiculous post I have read tonight. At least most of the others who are debating aren't cussing or making up some crazy scenario like you.
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So... u r not my mom or dad though. I just give an example about what I was social with them. If u don't like it so ignore them, that's simple. Get over it and this thread isn't ur though.

Nah, my school is doing nothing at most and I have done with classwork on time, return to teacher before bell is ring (it's required, that their rules). I'm not busy with school and already know about graduate though. I make all good grades so no worries about anything.
 
DefLord said:
Honestly THEY SHOULD! It is a WASTE of my taxpayers money! I work everyday 40-50 hours a week - and if I can do it so can every other deaf individual!

And if there ever was a bill - believe me I would ADVOCATE it! Because it is a joke and an embarrassment because it is saying "Oooohh poor us! We can't work, we are deaf - we can't work with hearing people we need government money" No the money should go to those who REALLY need it - aka the elderly, the REALLY Disabled *aka wheelchairs and etc*
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It wouldn't happen, SSDI had been for long time and nothing with steal of big bucks from ur taxes. I'm not complain about that and accept to paid taxes, proud to help with deaf people. u know better that deaf people have hard time to find job and not force them to get implanted. Every countries like Canada, USA, UK and most of EU has more taxes to spend, not only for SSDI but mainly are federal for USA. The federal taxes are main that spend on war, not for SSDI. That's USA decide to make better services and u can't control our country. At least, u r middle class that paid more taxes than low class and upper class but upper class got tax cuts. I'm not complain about taxes right now and USA have good reason to spend it for war. After war so it will going down to normal again. I will get SSDI soon (already got SSI).
 
Let's keep it cool and under control here. :thumb:


We don't want to see this good thread being ruin or going down the drain, Wouldn't you either? ;)
 
Cheri said:
Let's keep it cool and under control here. :thumb:


We don't want to see this good thread being ruin or going down the drain, Wouldn't you either? ;)
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That's DefLord fault, that make off-topic about SSDI. Toobad to him for complain but overall, it's his opinion.

I'm most active here before he got action and bossy at me, he need to shut up.
 
DefLord,

Please do not bring up about SSDI when it has no bearing to what this thread about..

Thanks :angel:
 
Cheri said:
When I said that, Most hearing parents implanted their Deaf children, they're not accepting the child for who he/she is since birth, does not involved their children in the Deaf community, ONLY hearing world.

When Most Deaf Parents have hearing children, Do you see them implanting or poking something in their ears in order to make a child deaf like the parents?No, because Deaf parents accept their hearing children, the way he/she was born.

And Most hearing parents want their CI implant children involved more in the hearing world because the parents are hearing.

And Most Deaf parents allowing their hearing children involved in hearing word, (Hearing Culture) because the children are hearing, The parents are not dragging them in their world (Deaf Culture)

You see the big differences?
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I can see your point there sis, sometimes I wonder what the difference between a hearing aids and CI and what makes CI more special then hearing aids?...
 
R2D2 said:
I acknowledge you feelings but your argument is with the feelings and attitudes hearing people/ implanted adults generally not with CIs themselves. CIs are no different to hearing aids in that regard. The same people you are unhappy with were and are doing exactly the same things with hearing aids - creating people who can talk like them.
Should hearing aids likewise be withheld from children who could benefit from them so that they can be immersed in the deaf culture first? Why the difference between the two? From an invasive point of view we are only talking about a one off few hours of surgery to insert some very fine electrode wires and then after that CIs are used in a manner not dissimilar to hearing aids.

I wouldn't say then that CIs hurt deaf culture, I don't personally see them as much different to hearing aids. The CI doesn't turn you into a hearing person and the child or adult is still obviously deaf in public with the processor and magnet in place. Therefore you are still going to have people who want to find others like them just like people with hearing aids did.
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Good point, but I do have a question here if I may please?..



If hearing parents do not have friends or family that are deaf they usually will not receive any information from the deaf world and when they find out their baby is deaf, the doctors usually provide information about CI, but how would a hearing parent know there more out there that their child can be involved in and be social with other deaf children?...
 
DefLord said:
Because it is a joke and an embarrassment because it is saying "Oooohh poor us! We can't work, we are deaf - we can't work with hearing people we need government money" No the money should go to those who REALLY need it - aka the elderly, the REALLY Disabled *aka wheelchairs and etc*
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First, "wheelchairs" are devices, not people. Second, the vast majority of us wheelchair users are perfectly capable of working. We are no more disabled than you. The problems of employment that the physically disabled have are largely the same as the problems that deaf have - discrimination, education, and so on.

To say otherwise is quite offensive, particularly given the work the disability rights movement has done over the years, and the benefit that the deaf community has gotten out of it.
 
^Angel^ said:
Good point, but I do have a question here if I may please?..



If hearing parents do not have friends or family that are deaf they usually will not receive any information from the deaf world and when they find out their baby is deaf, the doctors usually provide information about CI, but how would a hearing parent know there more out there that their child can be involved in and be social with other deaf children?...
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well, that's what google and yahoo, ask.com are for :) :whistle:
 
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