Why Cochlear Implants Hurt Deaf Culture?

^Angel^ said:
I understand but from what I've read that CI and hearing aids are no difference when some deaf people hear so well with the use of hearing aids while others can't, that's why CI is available for those who has recieve no benefit from the use of hearing aids...

Please do correct me if I'm wrong here.... :angel:

I agree and that is a good way to put it. My CI serves that exact purpose as a better "HA" when I got to the point I wasn't really was getting all the benefits of using a HA.

Among those that tend to use a CI successfully, are those who used a HA pretty well. To put it more succinctly, I just literally "rolled over" to using a CI as I always had used my HA. The only difference is now I'm getting much more critical information.
 
R2D2 said:
You seem to be devoting a disproportionate amount of time on this theme considering that no one here with a CI now considers themself a new hearing person.

Agree with that sentiment and it is getting old. So, that brings up the question..."Why does anybody care?" Some people regardless of their situation in life tend to "believe" something about themselves that is not necessarily true. Their families or friends can tell you otherwise. Sometimes you humor them and other times you ignore them. It is the human condition and nothing new under the sun.

If that is so threatening, somebody needs to remember how to breathe again and get on with life. Remember, there is one thing that people who "claim" they are hearing when they are not cannot (no matter how hard they try) ignore reality. They mostly hurt themselves and sometimes others but the others can move on knowing better and be a little wiser ( and maybe sad too).
 
Boult, what does that link have to do with Sign? That's a pro-oral site!!!!
I really wish that more oral schools presented themselves as giving dhh students another useful tool, rather then demonizing Sign or going on and on about how it's SO WONDERFUL that dhh kids can be healthy and normal and not need Sign or other special needs stuff.
 
^Angel^ said:
It's okay Boult, it just that what worries me the most is that some hearing parents may not be told about sign language and they might be given some false information about only learning to speak once they're being implanted with CI... :dunno:
My hearing parents were one of them. My parents never knew anything about sign language when a doctor told them that I was deaf. That was when I was around one year old. The doctor told them to put me in an oral boarding school. Cochlear implants were not out at that time but if it was I think my parents would have had me implanted with one because they were never told of anything about the deaf culture and sign language.
 
How's about condiser...

ci aids ??? as simalir "Hearing aids"

Hearing aids help you hear clearly.. No... why say that Hearing aids?? Doesn't make sense...

Now CI help Deaf people can hear and recoglize sounds.. 0% to 100% efffictive ? Depends their ears inner!
 
I guess I don't understand the difference (other than surgury required) between hearing aids and a CI. I admint that I am ignorant to these issues and I am here to learn so can someone please tell me what is the difference on how the HA or CI impacts the deaf culture. When hearing aids became available did folks feel the deaf culture was threatened then? And after all of these years with hearing aids, did that come true? It' seems to me that the deaf culture is thriving today as it did pre-hearing aids. Also, If my information is correct, the CI has been around for over 20 years. From what I see the deaf culture is still alive and well. While I am not fully understanding the issues with the deaf culture, I don't believe it will ever diminish. I don't think that it is possible because not every person that is deaf or HOH will benefit from HA or CI and there are more deaf and HOH born every day not to mention those that become deaf and/or HOH for other reasons. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you.
 
rockdrummer said:
I guess I don't understand the difference (other than surgury required) between hearing aids and a CI.
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Thank you.

Bottomline, there is no difference beyond what you mentioned. I use my CI just like my HA. There is a slight difference in one respect. Sometimes, the outcome of a CI doesn't always match up to the same potential (if not more) as when one had a HA.
 
sr171soars said:
Bottomline, there is no difference beyond what you mentioned. I use my CI just like my HA. There is a slight difference in one respect. Sometimes, the outcome of a CI doesn't always match up to the same potential (if not more) as when one had a HA.

Yep, CIs and HAs are assisting devices for hard of hearing / deaf..

CIs replaces HAs when HAs don't give enough benefit to hard of hearing / deaf ( especially for severe to profound losses and total deafs)
 
^Angel^ said:
It's okay Boult, it just that what worries me the most is that some hearing parents may not be told about sign language and they might be given some false information about only learning to speak once they're being implanted with CI... :dunno:


Unfortunlately yes, I has to agree to this because my hubby´s parents are one of them who was informed by the doctors to not use sign languages. They didn´t know about deaf culture much because they don´t want to know and dont want to try to understand. They hope that my hubby married hearing girl and born hearing children. They were scared when they learn my hubby want to marry me and plus worst is that I born deaf.

I remember that time my MIL was alive and told me the news about CI and said that she would of implant my hubby straight way with CI.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Unfortunlately yes, I has to agree to this because my hubby´s parents are one of them who was informed by the doctors to not use sign languages. They didn´t know about deaf culture much because they don´t want to know and dont want to try to understand. They hope that my hubby married hearing girl and born hearing children. They were scared when they learn my hubby want to marry me and plus worst is that I born deaf.

I remember that time my MIL was alive and told me the news about CI and said that she would of implant my hubby straight way with CI.

Just like my Grandparents who was told by the doctor. Do not use sign language to communication with my Dad. They became very regards for not know sign language to communication with me. They realized how beautiful sign language is. The communication is very frustrated for both of us due to barrier, they did not understand me. We had to writing many notes which is pain in the ass !

It is horrible oppressive and discrimination during 1930's to 1970's
 
ButterflyGirl said:
My hearing parents were one of them. My parents never knew anything about sign language when a doctor told them that I was deaf. That was when I was around one year old. The doctor told them to put me in an oral boarding school. Cochlear implants were not out at that time but if it was I think my parents would have had me implanted with one because they were never told of anything about the deaf culture and sign language.


My hearing parents was the same way as yours, I grew up in oral methods, and didn't learn signs until late, that's because there was no information was given about the deaf world and sign language... :(


I grew up feeling that I was an outsider because I wasn't around with deaf children as much as I wanted to be....
 
rockdrummer said:
I guess I don't understand the difference (other than surgury required) between hearing aids and a CI. I admint that I am ignorant to these issues and I am here to learn so can someone please tell me what is the difference on how the HA or CI impacts the deaf culture. When hearing aids became available did folks feel the deaf culture was threatened then? And after all of these years with hearing aids, did that come true? It' seems to me that the deaf culture is thriving today as it did pre-hearing aids. Also, If my information is correct, the CI has been around for over 20 years. From what I see the deaf culture is still alive and well. While I am not fully understanding the issues with the deaf culture, I don't believe it will ever diminish. I don't think that it is possible because not every person that is deaf or HOH will benefit from HA or CI and there are more deaf and HOH born every day not to mention those that become deaf and/or HOH for other reasons. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you.


Honestly, there's no difference between a hearing aids and cochlear implants, when most deaf adults/children can be benefit from either of them. Hearing aids wasn't a threaten to the deaf culture that because it was still around by the time I was born, and alot of deaf and hard of hearing people knew about hearing aids more than they knew about cochlear implants because it wasn't popular back in the old days until now, and the way I see it is that when cochlear implants became much more popular than hearing aids, some deaf people feel threaten for their deaf culture cause it will no longer feel " deaf " to them when they realize that more deaf people want to be able to hear much more than really accepting their own deafness when I personally don't see a reason why CI users can not be accepted into the deaf culture when they're still deaf or hard of hearing whether they're implanted with CI or wearing hearing aids because I see no difference in this..

But unfortunately there are some deaf people who spreads out false informations about cochlear implants and that how I learned about it from other deaf people, that may be another reason why I was so against cochlear implant back then, but when I read more about cochlear implants I don't see no difference because it's not a cure or a miracle when cochlear implants are just there to help others who has no use or benefit from any hearing aids...

I don't believe that cochlear implants is the only threaten to the deaf culture when some deaf people do not like those who use oral methods by using their voices to speak and not sign at all, it's the same thing as not being accepted by those who have " Deaf pride " in them means we must learn their language, otherwise most or some from the Deaf culture won't pay us attention..

The way I see it is that many hearing people is given the opportuntity to learn from a deaf or hard of hearing person, and learn their deaf culture etc are very much acceptable than those deaf people from the deaf culture...I just find it so unfair for those to make such a judgement on whether or not some may be implanted with CI, or wearing hearing aids, learning sign language or rather to raise in a oral methods, but the bottom line is, it should be up to each deaf or hard of hearing individuals and it should not be up to the others on how we should live with our own deafness....


The thing is, there's always going to be two sides and it has been like this for a long time as far as I have seen it, as I can understand where everyone is coming from on this, no one is wrong or right for feeling this way....

:angel:
 
deafdyke said:
Boult, what does that link have to do with Sign? That's a pro-oral site!!!!
I really wish that more oral schools presented themselves as giving dhh students another useful tool, rather then demonizing Sign or going on and on about how it's SO WONDERFUL that dhh kids can be healthy and normal and not need Sign or other special needs stuff.


Should it be up to the parents to decide whether they want their deaf child to be oral or learn sign language?


Boult is just trying to be fair here by given those parents the opportuntity to decide themseleves without him telling those parents how they should raise their own deaf child....
 
GalaxyAngel said:
Now CI help Deaf people can hear and recoglize sounds.. 0% to 100% efffictive ? Depends their ears inner!


Not 100% but close, it's really depends on each individual ...
 
R2D2 said:
You seem to be devoting a disproportionate amount of time on this theme considering that no one here with a CI now considers themself a new hearing person.

How come I've seen a few posts in this forum repeatly saying that their deaf child is no longer deaf but hearing and no one says nothing about it until Cheri brings that up, and someone decide to throw a fist about it then, how is that being fair here?

Maybe if they change how they post, then it wouldn't have been brought up in the first place. I have to be fair here because I can see it too, and I can't blame some of them for bringing it up...


Beside it goes both ways to be honest :angel:
 
^Angel^ said:
Boult is just trying to be fair here by given those parents the opportuntity to decide themseleves without him telling those parents how they should raise their own deaf child....


She just asked where the sign language web site since Boult only linked the oral method. Hearing parents should learned about all kinds of communication and assistive technology options and various options available, for them to search and learn. ;)
 
^Angel^ said:
How come I've seen a few posts in this forum repeatly saying that their deaf child is no longer deaf but hearing and no one says nothing about it until Cheri brings that up, and someone decide to throw a fist about it then, how is that being fair here?

Maybe if they change how they post, then it wouldn't have been brought up in the first place. I have to be fair here because I can see it too, and I can't blame some of them for bringing it up...


Beside it goes both ways to be honest :angel:


I know, They love to pin it all on me, I just decide to ignored it. I know the truth and the truth sets with me. ;)
 
Cheri said:
She just asked where the sign language web site since Boult only linked the oral method. Hearing parents should learned about all kinds of communication and assistive technology options and various options available, for them to search and learn. ;)


It looks like he posted all of them inculding sign language, deaf school etc...
 
^Angel^ said:
It looks like he posted all of them inculding sign language, deaf school etc...


I didn't check those links yet. :giggle:
 
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