The Book of Revelation

[Maria]

Got it. Thanks for the explaination.

You're welcome.

 

[Reba]

Thank you for let me to find out true color about you. *shake my head*

I'm sorry if you took that as an insult. I didn't mean it to be. I was just letting Boult know that originally you were from Great Britain, not Germany. I'm very impressed that you are multi-lingual in verbal and sign languages. Not everyone can do that.

Most typos are easy to catch because they don't make other words, or they don't make words that fit the context. I guess I was on the wrong track because I was flipping back and forth so much between this thread and the evolution threads, so it seemed to fit.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Have you read the New Testament Gospels? They clearly explain that Jesus was both 100 percent human flesh, AND 100 percent God at the same time. He was 100 percent without sin. He resurrected three days after His death.

Who says this? I know you would say that it´s God´s word... No, it´s author of the bible.

Why do you think Christians celebrate Resurrection Sunday (Easter)?

It´s not just Christians but everyone celebrate Easter Sunday... Is it correct date? I noticed that we have different dates on Easter Sunday every year...

Nobody knows when Jesus born and when he died. Who use Easter celebration? Of course people, not God and Jesus.

All popes were/are human, and no one should worship them.

Yes, millions people worship him. What special about him.

The Bible is NOT about the Pope;

Yes I know.

the Bible is about the Triune God (Heavenly Father, Son Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit). Jesus had to die so that His blood sacrifice could save all us sinners from the punishment of eternal hell. The blood of an ordinary human can NOT do that. Only the blood of God Himself can do that.

Yes I know, that´s how I learn from my bibles and school but I also learn from different beleifs accord their bibles... I noticed that the reglious authors who wrote the bibles have different opinions.

There is NO comparison between the Pope and Jesus.

It´s my feeling... Yes after learn alot about evolution from my sons. People worship Pope... People worship Jesus.... Many (I would say a lot) Germans beleive in Evolution. They beleives that Jesus is a human like everyone but for people, Jesus is special like what people think Pope as special man.

After three days, Pope John Paul's body was lying in state, swelling, changing color, decomposing, and stinking. After three days in the grave, Jesus' body was out of the grave, walking, talking, and eating with His friends. BIG difference!

Again, who say this?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If you believe God and Jesus, then you must believe that Jesus is eternal living God. No one "believes" in a man.

Yes I beleive God & Jesus in my heart but it doesn´t mean that I have to follow what the bible says...

I was raised to beleive that Jesus is Son of God. Many beliefs say the same thing except Christians... I learn quite alot from Christian´s beliefs thru AllDeaf forum here. I was total surprised to learn that Christians beleive that Jesus is a God. Remember that everyone have different beleifs.
It doesn´t mean that we go to hell because we beleive different than you.

If you don't believe in God and Jesus, that is your choice.

I beleive in God and Jesus but it doesn´t mean that I have to obey/follow what the bible says because I know it´s author who writes the bibles.

But you can't say that you "believe God and Jesus in my heart" and at the same time say that Jesus is a dead man. That doesn't make any sense. You can't have it both ways.

Yes I said that I beleive God & Jesus in my heart and don´t do what the bible says. I said that Jesus died at 2,006 years ago. Yes Jesus live in heaven with his father and will never come back to earth.

I'm curious. How will psychology keep you out of hell?

I think dictionary explains better.

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/psychology.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/


I beleive to focus person´s mind and soul to help them to cope. I study psychology and beleive in this because every person have different mind and soul... Focus people´s feeling is main important than follow what the bibles says. It´s us who help people with our strength, not God and Jesus.

 

[Reba]

Who says this?

God.

It´s not just Christians but everyone celebrate Easter Sunday... Is it correct date? I noticed that we have different dates on Easter Sunday every year...[/blue]

Non-Christians can celebrate "Easter" but only Christians celebrate Resurrection Sunday. Christians celebrate that day to remember the day that Jesus Christ arose from His grave.

Nobody knows when Jesus born and when he died.

We don't know the day that Jesus was born but we do know when He was crucified and resurrected.

Again, who say this? ?

The witnesses who saw it happen.

 

[Reba]

I beleive to focus person´s mind and soul to help them to cope. I study psychology and beleive in this because every person have different mind and soul... Focus people´s feeling is main important than follow what the bibles says. It´s us who help people with our strength, not God and Jesus.

Maybe psychology helps some people "cope" but will psychology get you into Heaven after you die?

 

[netrox]

Maybe psychology helps some people "cope" but will psychology get you into Heaven after you die?

What makes you so sure you'll go to Heaven? The Book of Revelation actually said only 144,000 JEWS (you're not a Jew, right?) will enter heaven. The odds of you entering heaven is just 1 out of 8 billion! You'd have a better chance of winning a lotto!

Koran teaches that non-believers will go to hell. Many cults teach that concept as well. They emphasize only those who believe in them will be saved. They're so brainwashed to believe in their religion that deprogramming them is a difficult process. Christians - as well as Jews and Muslims - have been brainwashed since birth to condition that only God is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. To deprogram them is difficult.

Fortunately, as they become more educated, the less they're likely to take the Bible literally.

 

[Maria]

What makes you so sure you'll go to Heaven? The Book of Revelation actually said only 144,000 JEWS (you're not a Jew, right?) will enter heaven. The odds of you entering heaven is just 1 out of 8 billion! You'd have a better chance of winning a lotto!

Is that a reason why you decided not to believe in the bible since they are so many flaws within your own reason.... just, because you are not one of 144,000 Jews who will go to Heaven ?

 

[netrox]

Is that a reason why you decided not to believe in the bible since they are so many flaws within your own reason.... just, because you are not one of 144,000 Jews who will go to Heaven ?

The Bible has many flaws and I am not a Jew. That verse is NOT the reason but I am pointing out the errors.

I stopped believing in the Bible as I learned more about evolution, religion, and history. I also learned about psychology and how powerful our mind can be. I studied cults and was surprised how hard it is to "deprogram" cult recruits. Christian fundies are victims of the Christian fundamentalist cult.

As I read the Bible, I was questioning its morality as well. Putting a man who sleeps with a man to death (same for women) is extremely offensive. God butchering innocent babies just because He doesn't like the town is extremely offensive. God allowing a child to be put to death for disobeying his parents is offensive. Making women go to a special place while she's menstruating is an insult to natural process of human nature. There is no purpose to forbid pork or shrimp or to wear two different fabrics. God to test human frailities is an insult to humankind. In my view, the Bible God is not the God I look for - He failed to meet my ideals.

A true loving God would not kill people but rather explain why a situation may be wrong or right. A true God would not hide Himself but reveal Himself to everyone. A true God would never allow a Bible to be written because He knows humans are always misinterpreting the Bible. A true God would never kill someone just because of different ideas.

Did I easily give up Christian belief? No. It took me a while. I still feel the demonic spirit of the Bible in me because of the way I was raised. I don't think it'll ever go away. Intellectually, I know beyond a reasonable doubt that the Bible is not true but honestly, it's so hard to let it go because I was conditioned to believe it deeply.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

144000 jews in heaven does not mean that's how many are going, those jews are the tribes during tirublations but those are the higher calling from the tribes and and from that same book said multitudes many as the sand on the beach in heaven singing praises to God. Also, saying historian has no proof or recorded about quakes and darkness, I wouldn't be surprise, and also in the news few days ago as scientist claims proof that jesus doesn't walk on water, He walked on ice. I said man, all those scietist really working so hard to prevent people from believing the truth. Even tho, all I can say, whether u believe or not, those who have strong faith rather keep their faith and whatever u think of us is fine. But I will not hold anything against you and not make me be ur enemy. Or whatever other way u want to say. But bitter and hatred will not take over our lives. Those strong faith in Christ has awesome experience with our relationship with God and have seen His works. All I can say is peace. Smile

 

[Reba]

What makes you so sure you'll go to Heaven?

Because I know Whom I have believed--Jesus Christ. Jesus didn't lie when He said that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I trust Him at His word.

1 John 5
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

The Book of Revelation actually said only 144,000 JEWS (you're not a Jew, right?) will enter heaven.

No, it doesn't. That is an incorrect interpretation.

Christians - as well as Jews and Muslims - have been brainwashed since birth to condition that only God is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. To deprogram them is difficult.

Not this Christian. I was not raised as a Christian, not at all. I did a lot of "research" about many religions, philosophies, and spiritual beliefs on my journey thru life. The Lord finally saved me when I was 28 years old.

Fortunately, as they become more educated, the less they're likely to take the Bible literally.

Just the opposite for me.

 

[netrox]

144000 jews in heaven does not mean that's how many are going, those jews are the tribes during tirublations but those are the higher calling from the tribes and and from that same book said multitudes many as the sand on the beach in heaven singing praises to God. Also, saying historian has no proof or recorded about quakes and darkness, I wouldn't be surprise, and also in the news few days ago as scientist claims proof that jesus doesn't walk on water, He walked on ice.

Well, you see, the Leviticus Code and the Ten Commandments were directed to Hebrew. Moses made it clear that it's for Isrealites. Since I am not an Isrealite, I am not obligated to believe him.

 

[Dannie]

Revelation was created by the Illuminati or the controllers of the world as to how their revelation would take place.

So many books were taken out of and omitted from the bible, reincarnation that was omitted from the Bible....................the bible isn't the word of God, it's man's record of centuries of hearsay, the word of God is in our heart and in our soul, because we are made in his image, but the religions of the world condone this in some respects because number one, they have dethroned the woman first of all and that is murder number one!

 

[Maria]

The Bible has many flaws and I am not a Jew. That verse is NOT the reason but I am pointing out the errors.

I stopped believing in the Bible as I learned more about evolution, religion, and history. I also learned about psychology and how powerful our mind can be. I studied cults and was surprised how hard it is to "deprogram" cult recruits. Christian fundies are victims of the Christian fundamentalist cult.

As I read the Bible, I was questioning its morality as well. Putting a man who sleeps with a man to death (same for women) is extremely offensive. God butchering innocent babies just because He doesn't like the town is extremely offensive. God allowing a child to be put to death for disobeying his parents is offensive. Making women go to a special place while she's menstruating is an insult to natural process of human nature. There is no purpose to forbid pork or shrimp or to wear two different fabrics. God to test human frailities is an insult to humankind. In my view, the Bible God is not the God I look for - He failed to meet my ideals.

A true loving God would not kill people but rather explain why a situation may be wrong or right. A true God would not hide Himself but reveal Himself to everyone. A true God would never allow a Bible to be written because He knows humans are always misinterpreting the Bible. A true God would never kill someone just because of different ideas.

Did I easily give up Christian belief? No. It took me a while. I still feel the demonic spirit of the Bible in me because of the way I was raised. I don't think it'll ever go away. Intellectually, I know beyond a reasonable doubt that the Bible is not true but honestly, it's so hard to let it go because I was conditioned to believe it deeply.

Well, you have to remember that we are in " Apostasy " days right now. And, the devil/Satan is workin' very hard to ward off on Christians by makin' them to forget God and focus on worldly things such as evolution, false religions, and all that stuff .. things that are not pleasin' God. Satan did once spoke to Eve about the " fruit " and told her that she will be like " god " if, she took a bite out of it before givin' it to Adam. Satan fooled Eve by makin' her to believe what the world offered instead of dependin' on God for His Guidance --havin' a fellowship with God for spiritual growth. But, Eve and Adam chose this world instead, because they fell for Satan's subtle words when the subtle words sounded soo true to Eve.

Since you mentioned the word " offensive " above, the truth is that God is tooo Holy and He will not accept what sins really are in the eyes of God. All sins are offensive to God and that's very insultin' to His Holy, because of sins don't have any respect in it and sins are very vile as filthy just like a dead rotten egg's spewin' off its fart up to God's Nose. That's very offensive. Look at Moses when he first saw the burnin' bush - what did he do ? He took off his sandal shoes to respect God and His Holy property where the burnin' bush was. Moses knew that God was Holy God and yet, he respected Him by obeyin' Him when he was bein' told to remove his sandal shoes.

I am sure there were some people who changed their lives when they met their God in real life - I am speakin' of those people in the bible such as Paul, Peter, Samson, and others.

I don't believe in Evolution or false religions or some kinds of strange magic stuff like tarot cards, or Ouija board and so forth. I don't want the devil/or Satan to come into my life. I prefer him to stay at bay by not playin' with those stuff. Once someone plays with it, then it will be very hard to get out.

If, you believe that there's flaws in the bible - God's Word... then, why do you think we are here ?

The truth is God knows how many strand of hair we have on our heads. You know what that means ? That means we must trust Him, no matter how HARD life seems to be and, yet we could try our best to make it better as we can through prayin' and read the bible, havin' a fellowship with Christian friends for spiritual needs to grow and so on. Be patience with God, because He is patience with us for a looooong time. He still loves you very much and wants to have a relationship with you.

 

[netrox]

And, the devil/Satan is workin' very hard to ward off on Christians by makin' them to forget God and focus on worldly things such as evolution, false religions, and all that stuff .. things that are not pleasin' God. Satan did once spoke to Eve about the " fruit " and told her that she will be like " god " if, she took a bite out of it before givin' it to Adam. Satan fooled Eve by makin' her to believe what the world offered instead of dependin' on God for His Guidance --havin' a fellowship with God for spiritual growth. But, Eve and Adam chose this world instead, because they fell for Satan's subtle words when the subtle words sounded soo true to Eve.

Once again, God failed when he promised He'll kill them. He never did. Jews interpret to make it mean that they were going to live forever but since they sinned, death is a punishment. Nice of God to punish their future generations.

Since you mentioned the word " offensive " above, the truth is that God is tooo Holy and He will not accept what sins really are in the eyes of God. All sins are offensive to God and that's very insultin' to His Holy, because of sins don't have any respect in it and sins are very vile as filthy just like a dead rotten egg's spewin' off its fart up to God's Nose. That's very offensive.

Um... ok, you seem to have a vivid imagination.

I don't believe in Evolution or false religions or some kinds of strange magic stuff like tarot cards, or Ouija board and so forth. I don't want the devil/or Satan to come into my life. I prefer him to stay at bay by not playin' with those stuff. Once someone plays with it, then it will be very hard to get out.

Evolution is a well established fact. Science has proven beyond reasonable doubt that evolution is occuring. Some poeple call Judiasm and Christianity as "false religions." Maybe you're just being deluded to believe yours the true religion? Remember, Muslims in Middle East geniunely believe their religion is true and other religions are false. If you were born in Iran, you would be a Muslim trying to prove that Allah is real and alive and that only Allah can save your soul.

Satan, like God, is just imaginary. People see chaos and blame on Satan. People see order and credit to God. Death is "evil" when in fact, death is inherently part of life. Where there's life, there's death. Where there's a beginning, there's an end. I don't want to die but I know death is a normal process of nature.

If, you believe that there's flaws in the bible - God's Word... then, why do you think we are here ?

Simple. Your parents created you. Your parents were created by their parents. And it goes on and on. All the way back to single-celled organisms.

 

[XBGMER]

The Beast Is The Actual [son Of] Man Come In Their End Of Last Days!

I ask you all christians, who is beast? [i notice almost every christians more doubt what does the beast mean to them. they telling me that beast which is system is control over peoples which i aint agree with what christians told that..because they refuse to recoginze the beast is man in person which is KING, not damn system]. TRULY, THE BEAST IS NOTHING DO WITH SYSTEM!!! BECAUSE SYSTEM DOESN'T HAVE A MOUTH NOR SPIRIT, THEREFORE SYSTEM CAN'T TALK LIKE STATUES, IODLS, PICTURES ON WALL WHICH NOT HAVE ANY BREATH.. [the people of] GOD WILL OPEN THE BEAST'S MOUTH with great words of miracle things mightly speaking against you all christians, (might be include jews). the beast must be A MAN OF MAN WHO HAS THE MOUTH throught his BREATH OF THOUGHTS AND SPEAKING.

So, where would he be born from which one specifc of nation? [my personal, the beast must came from which one of specificed nation].

 

[Maria]

Once again, God failed when he promised He'll kill them. He never did. Jews interpret to make it mean that they were going to live forever but since they sinned, death is a punishment. Nice of God to punish their future generations.

Why is it that you kept thinkin' that it was NICE of God punishin' them ? There's no NICE thing to punish them, but God is Just and Fair God. Isn't it NICE of people disobeyin' God and their disobedience deserve punishment ? That's like they let it go around and get back to them - " what goes around comes around " - that famous quote. It wasn't God askin' for them to disobey God. It was really them who chose to disobey. So, where did you get that idea from when you said God failed when he promised He'll kill them ? Show me where you learn that from, if you don't mind ?


Um... ok, you seem to have a vivid imagination.

No, there's no vivid imagination. Just because I know when God says that all sins smell stench.


Evolution is a well established fact. Science has proven beyond reasonable doubt that evolution is occuring. Some poeple call Judiasm and Christianity as "false religions." Maybe you're just being deluded to believe yours the true religion? Remember, Muslims in Middle East geniunely believe their religion is true and other religions are false. If you were born in Iran, you would be a Muslim trying to prove that Allah is real and alive and that only Allah can save your soul.

Well, to be honest here -- there's NO such a " religion " thing. Jesus Himself is God and He is NOT a religion -- oh, yeah I know what people are talkin' about the " religion " part, but that's not the case when it comes to Jesus Christ Himself. That's different issue. He is very far from religion itself. Religion is somethin' that teach different from what Jesus taught. About Muslims - I know pretty much about their religion. They believe in killings, so they could enter Heaven. That's not what Jesus taught. One of the 10 Commandments, it says " Thou shall NOT kill ". And, even thou they wrap the bombs around themselves to blow themselves up. To me, I think that's called " hate ". Hate start war.

Satan, like God, is just imaginary. People see chaos and blame on Satan. People see order and credit to God. Death is "evil" when in fact, death is inherently part of life. Where there's life, there's death. Where there's a beginning, there's an end. I don't want to die but I know death is a normal process of nature.

So, are you sayin' that where there's war, there's peace or ... let's just say where there's peace, there's war ? Hmm ?


Simple. Your parents created you. Your parents were created by their parents. And it goes on and on. All the way back to single-celled organisms.

God created me, not the parents. God created people to have their bodies/organs to breathe and live. Without cells, there's no organs or anythin' in the body to form an unborn child. It must have an oxygen to form everythin'. I received a breathin' of life from God through the cells and all before I was born.

It's interestin' to see that you and I are different people that see things entirely different. I will not change my belief to agree with you.

 

[XBGMER]

God created me, not the parents. God created people to have their bodies/organs to breathe and live. Without cells, there's no organs or anythin' in the body to form an unborn child. It must have an oxygen to form everythin'. I received a breathin' of life from God through the cells and all before I was born.

It's interestin' to see that you and I are different people that see things entirely different. I will not change my belief to agree with you.

God created you without the parents? How? How do you know God create you, not your parents?

My personal, If i told public of the world, God created me that way, not parents, I am against my own parent's genetics, I wouldn't give my honor to my parents... Can you tell me Did God created me of Black skin without my parents? Whoa..Obviously You put your own words opposite you for rest of whole life P E R I O D... I can't dare to lie the world for who i am and what I born with. I born and taken from mother's flesh & blood and Father's sprem they created me in form of childhood to manhood for who I am.. Mother is very lighter skinned and my father is meduim brown skinned, but Why parents have the black skin on me? I came through my parent, they are black parents created me for my father had good reason of what he put me through. Anyway, I proud of them who created me through their genetic devep making me understand where they include me came from.....

 

[Liebling:-)))]

God created me, not the parents.

Disagree!

If the parents want to have baby then they create baby in their flesh and blood.

Where Eve and Adam come from... Of course God created them... Where you come from... Of course your parents create you. It´s an exact what the God did with Eve and Adam, not you, me and everyone...

 

[netrox]

So, where did you get that idea from when you said God failed when he promised He'll kill them ? Show me where you learn that from, if you don't mind ?

Genisis 2:16 But the LORD told him, "You may eat fruit from any tree in the garden, 17except the one that has the power to let you know the difference between right and wrong. If you eat any fruit from that tree, you will die before the day is over!"

The man did not die that day after he ate the fruit therefore God failed to uphold his promise.

So, are you sayin' that where there's war, there's peace or ... let's just say where there's peace, there's war ? Hmm ?

Yes. Nothing is static. We will have wars and peace. If you want to believe that you'll live forever in peace, that's fine but it won't happen. Nature simply does not allow that to happen to us.

God created me, not the parents. God created people to have their bodies/organs to breathe and live. Without cells, there's no organs or anythin' in the body to form an unborn child. It must have an oxygen to form everythin'. I received a breathin' of life from God through the cells and all before I was born.

No, it wasn't God who created you, it was your parents who created you. You CHOSE to create God in your mind and CHOSE to believe in God despite the fact that there's no proof or evidence supporting your belief. Do you have a child?