Texas Board Passes Social Studies Curriculum

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In this case the 1st grade coloring book was actually called "MLK Was A Good Man Because....." And each page started with those words.

As I said the teacher quit after the school board sided with my group. Alls good now. :)
Ah, so the premise of the book was that MLK was a good man (no ifs, ands or buts), and that each page of the book supported that premise.
 
Were the children allowed to come up with their own answers to the "because"?

I don't blame her. I would want to teach in that kind of school district, either.:giggle:
The question is, were the children allowed to come up with their own answers that might be contrary to the premise that MLK was a "good man"? That would truly be critical thinking.
 
The question is, were the children allowed to come up with their own answers that might be contrary to the premise that MLK was a "good man"? That would truly be critical thinking.

Then that child would somehow be labeled as a racist.
 
The question is, were the children allowed to come up with their own answers that might be contrary to the premise that MLK was a "good man"? That would truly be critical thinking.

Oh, absolutely. Come up with answers and justify those answers with their own because. Either way, the ability to justify the answer to MLK was a good man, or MLK was not such a good man is what critical thinking is all about. Unfortuantely, when we limit what the children are exposed to out of some fear of indoctrination, they never have the opportunity to develop those skills.
 
Then that child would somehow be labeled as a racist.

That is absolutely absurd. And thinking such as this is exactly why children are stunted in their ability to reason.:roll:
 
Oh, absolutely. Come up with answers and justify those answers with their own because. Either way, the ability to justify the answer to MLK was a good man, or MLK was not such a good man is what critical thinking is all about. Unfortuantely, when we limit what the children are exposed to out of some fear of indoctrination, they never have the opportunity to develop those skills.
1. "Good" or "not good" are moral judgments.

2. Elementary kids want to please their teachers. Starting with the premise that MLK was a good man, the students will look for ways to support that premise rather than disagree. It's the nature of children.

3. If it's not indoctrination but development of critical thinking skills, then the title would be "Prove That MLK Was a Good Man or a Bad Man". But that again would be a moral judgment, which is not acceptable in public schools.

Why not teach what MLK believed and did, and how his life impacted on the American civil rights movement? Why make a judgment on whether or not he was "good"?
 
That is absolutely absurd. And thinking such as this is exactly why children are stunted in their ability to reason.:roll:
Do you honestly think that a little elementary kid who goes against the teacher's statement that MLK was a good man isn't going to experience negative response to his critical thinking?

We aren't talking about ivory tower university critical thinking by mature adults. We're talking about an impressionable elementary school kid who probably adores and looks up to his teacher.
 
1. "Good" or "not good" are moral judgments.

2. Elementary kids want to please their teachers. Starting with the premise that MLK was a good man, the students will look for ways to support that premise rather than disagree. It's the nature of children.

3. If it's not indoctrination but development of critical thinking skills, then the title would be "Prove That MLK Was a Good Man or a Bad Man". But that again would be a moral judgment, which is not acceptable in public schools.

Why not teach what MLK believed and did, and how his life impacted on the American civil rights movement? Why make a judgment on whether or not he was "good"?

1. Not if the teacher has the teaching skills necessary to instill the critical thinking process. Of course, we are talking about very young children here, since the whole topic is about a coloring book. And no doubt the reason that simplistic language that children of that age would be able to comprehend, as well as concepts appropriate to their development.

2. Then you quite simply ask them to think of any ways that would contradict that premise.

3. Indoctrination. :lol: I keep seeing that word bantered about. I suppose telling young children that it is "good" to stay in school, or "good" to learn to read is indoctrination as well. I'm sure there are those parents that would disagree with that statement, too. The fact is, you cannot teach children to think critically by limiting their exposure. And that is what all those crying "indoctrination" are attempting to do. When does the book burning start?
 
Do you honestly think that a little elementary kid who goes against the teacher's statement that MLK was a good man isn't going to experience negative response to his critical thinking?

We aren't talking about ivory tower university critical thinking by mature adults. We're talking about an impressionable elementary school kid who probably adores and looks up to his teacher.

So you are telling me that a little elementary kid that says he disagrees is going to be called a "racist"? What about the little elementary kid that hates his teacher? That happens frequently, as well.

Let's just take MLK out of the lessons altogether. Then we won't have to worry about kids forming an opinion of his life and his work.:roll:
 
1. Not if the teacher has the teaching skills necessary to instill the critical thinking process. Of course, we are talking about very young children here, since the whole topic is about a coloring book. And no doubt the reason that simplistic language that children of that age would be able to comprehend, as well as concepts appropriate to their development.

2. Then you quite simply ask them to think of any ways that would contradict that premise.

3. Indoctrination. :lol: I keep seeing that word bantered about. I suppose telling young children that it is "good" to stay in school, or "good" to learn to read is indoctrination as well. I'm sure there are those parents that would disagree with that statement, too. The fact is, you cannot teach children to think critically by limiting their exposure. And that is what all those crying "indoctrination" are attempting to do. When does the book burning start?

That's why we have libraries and supplementary sources. It's not indoctrination when students are required to cite additional sources in essays and such.

However... if you're just reading the textbook and only the textbook... yeah. The NCLB Act lends itself to that.
 
That's why we have libraries and supplementary sources. It's not indoctrination when students are required to cite additional sources in essays and such.

However... if you're just reading the textbook and only the textbook... yeah. The NCLB Act lends itself to that.

The NCLB practically guarantees it.
 
So you are telling me that a little elementary kid that says he disagrees is going to be called a "racist"?
Nope.

What about the little elementary kid that hates his teacher? That happens frequently, as well.
Which goes to show how sensitive little kids are to their teacher's response.

Let's just take MLK out of the lessons altogether. Then we won't have to worry about kids forming an opinion of his life and his work.:roll:
I didn't say that at all, did I? I said, at least a couple times, that the deeds and impact of MLK should be taught.
 
1. Not if the teacher has the teaching skills necessary to instill the critical thinking process.
Apparently, the one in question did not.

Of course, we are talking about very young children here, since the whole topic is about a coloring book. And no doubt the reason that simplistic language that children of that age would be able to comprehend, as well as concepts appropriate to their development.
There are still simple ways to teach about MLK without requiring a "good" or "bad" judgment of the man.

2. Then you quite simply ask them to think of any ways that would contradict that premise.
But that isn't what the question was on each page of the book, was it? The book assignment didn't provide that option, and the book was designed by the teacher.

3. Indoctrination. :lol: I keep seeing that word bantered about. I suppose telling young children that it is "good" to stay in school, or "good" to learn to read is indoctrination as well. I'm sure there are those parents that would disagree with that statement, too.
"Good" in that sense means of benefit and rewarding to the child. It's not a moral judgment.

The fact is, you cannot teach children to think critically by limiting their exposure. And that is what all those crying "indoctrination" are attempting to do. When does the book burning start?
I never said to limit their exposure. It has to do with the method of presentation of material that is appropriate to the age of the child.
 
Right, Reba. I don't see how wrong that would be. Just point out the facts and let others form their own opinions.
 
3. Indoctrination. :lol: I keep seeing that word bantered about. I suppose telling young children that it is "good" to stay in school, or "good" to learn to read is indoctrination as well. I'm sure there are those parents that would disagree with that statement, too. The fact is, you cannot teach children to think critically by limiting their exposure. And that is what all those crying "indoctrination" are attempting to do. When does the book burning start?

Wow you could not be more wrong. I do not want to limit exposure to anyone. But with all kinds of cultures attending public schools opinions can not be taught as fact. Yes we are using MLK as an example, and I'm pretty sure we can all agree that he was a good man. But if the schools are aloud to teach that he was and not let the kids make up their own mind about it then it just plants the seed that teachers know who is good and bad. Then it can move to other more controversal people. I mean how many teachers have been caught teaching that Obama is a good man. Not everyone in this country thinks that(I sure as hell don't). Or how about Mao popping up in the schools.
 
just finished reading this thread. good thing I stayed out for a long while because I knew I would be dealing with :crazy: stuff. Those poor ADers... they got the most of brute force for me :lol:

I don't care how the schools in each state teach because there's no such thing as one-answer-for-all. I understand that it's always political and whatnot. It's fine for them to teach the content leaning to liberal view or conservative view or both. School A would teach MLK as a great man who broke down the segregation barrier and School B would teach MLK as a flawed womanizer and School C would teach that MLK was an important figure in American history that defined our civil rights and some in-depth stories covering all sides.

My high school is the School C. It was awarded with Blue Ribbon - one of the best public school in NJ. It has produces over 80% Ivy League-bounded graduates. I was taught on both sides of the stories with some bias, of course.

But I'm extremely disturbed by their agenda behind this change - to Christianize it :ugh:
 
just finished reading this thread. good thing I stayed out for a long while because I knew I would be dealing with :crazy: stuff. Those poor ADers... they got the most of brute force for me :lol:

I don't care how the schools in each state teach because there's no such thing as one-answer-for-all. I understand that it's always political and whatnot. It's fine for them to teach the content leaning to liberal view or conservative view or both. School A would teach MLK as a great man who broke down the segregation barrier and School B would teach MLK as a flawed womanizer and School C would teach that MLK was an important figure in American history that defined our civil rights and some in-depth stories covering all sides.

My high school is the School C. It was awarded with Blue Ribbon - one of the best public school in NJ. It has produces over 80% Ivy League-bounded graduates. I was taught on both sides of the stories with some bias, of course.

But I'm extremely disturbed by their agenda behind this change - to Christianize it :ugh:

I don't care if they omit the bad personal stuff MLK did......I just think it is unnecessary to use the phrase "good man" in the teaching. That goes for any historical figure.

80% bound for Ivy League schools??????. That has to be the best high school in the country.
 
just finished reading this thread. good thing I stayed out for a long while because I knew I would be dealing with :crazy: stuff. Those poor ADers... they got the most of brute force for me :lol:

I don't care how the schools in each state teach because there's no such thing as one-answer-for-all. I understand that it's always political and whatnot. It's fine for them to teach the content leaning to liberal view or conservative view or both. School A would teach MLK as a great man who broke down the segregation barrier and School B would teach MLK as a flawed womanizer and School C would teach that MLK was an important figure in American history that defined our civil rights and some in-depth stories covering all sides. ...
I don't know how MLK would have been covered in my text books or taught in my schools He was killed in 1968, and I graduated from high school in 1969, so everything we learned about MLK was current events on the TV, in newspapers, and in magazines like Time and Life. He wasn't history then, he was news.
 
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