Roe v. Wade - For Men

KarissaMann05 said:
Yeah... I think it should be both, not just one gender but oh well.

By the way, that book looks so interesting to me. Are they in any local store? I don't trust online stores.....
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I am not sure, I will look for it. The author is a professor at Howard.

You might try getting the ISBN and see if local bookstores have it.
 
Steinhauer said:
Is this a biased opinion, or do you have actual statistics backing up your claim?
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Look around you. Check out the number of female single parents who aren't receiving child support. Check out the number of children with absentee fathers. Check out the number of single mothers with children living below the poverty line as a result of the fathers of said children making no contribution to either the financial situation or the actual parenting of the child. If they were exercising their say in, the situation would not be as dire as it is.
 
jillio said:
Look around you. Check out the number of female single parents who aren't receiving child support. Check out the number of children with absentee fathers. Check out the number of single mothers with children living below the poverty line as a result of the fathers of said children making no contribution to either the financial situation or the actual parenting of the child. If they were exercising their say in, the situation would not be as dire as it is.
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That's the thing, I have looked around, and I do not see anything indicating the situation you are implying.

In fact, I know of more situations where BS domestic charges were pressed against the male so the female could get everything.

Yes, you know how that works (make him pay AND make him out to be a monster - effectively alienating him from his child while she gets everything paid for).

Thank goodness those laws are starting to change.

that is why I want to pick up a copy of the book I mentioned. There might be actual real data in it.
 
Steinhauer said:
That's the thing, I have looked around, and I do not see anything indicating the situation you are implying.

In fact, I know of more situations where BS domestic charges were pressed against the male so the female could get everything.

Yes, you know how that works (make him pay AND make him out to be a monster - effectively alienating him from his child while she gets everything paid for).

Thank goodness those laws are starting to change.

that is why I want to pick up a copy of the book I mentioned. There might be actual real data in it.
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Are you keeping in mind that some situations like that turn out to be true? Just asking.
 
DGirl101 said:
Are you keeping in mind that some situations like that turn out to be true? Just asking.
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No, I do not discount that there are very real monsters out there. I have a very high hatred of men who hit women. Maybe I am just "old school" when it comes to that issue. I know the word "hatred" is fairly strong, but its honestly how I feel. I cannot describe my feelings towards men who do this with any more clarity.

However, here is the flip side to that. Most women know how "most" men feel about men who beat their wives/gf/children.

This is one website (for father's rights) that explains how a specific strategy is used to alienate men from their children:

False Abuse Allegations — Main Page

Question for men: Ever hear a woman tell you, "Just give me a reason!" or "All I need is an excuse"? She's telling you she's aware of her legal advantages, and that making her angry enough could provide her with just enough inward justification to destroy you with a false allegation. Simply making her mad could cause you to lose your freedom, kids, reputation, career, and finances.
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I have personally seen the strategy used for false allegations than I have ever seen for real instances of abuse. Most men know they would be immediately ostracized if they ever laid a hand in anger on a woman.

That isn't to say that sometimes those allegations are not false - but from what I have seen, most of them are falsely used to gain "the upper hand" in a dispute.


My intentions are to promote equality, not dominance. I hope that much is understood.
 
I find out there are more abusive men than we realize. My city alone have a high number of domestic charges.
 
Steinhauer said:
That's the thing, I have looked around, and I do not see anything indicating the situation you are implying.

In fact, I know of more situations where BS domestic charges were pressed against the male so the female could get everything.

Yes, you know how that works (make him pay AND make him out to be a monster - effectively alienating him from his child while she gets everything paid for).

Thank goodness those laws are starting to change.

that is why I want to pick up a copy of the book I mentioned. There might be actual real data in it.
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Then you are evidently closing your eyes to reality when you look around.:cool2:

Men are quite successful at alientating themselves from their children. They have options for staying involved in their kid's lives. They choose not to exercise them.
 
jillio said:
Then you are evidently closing your eyes to reality when you look around.:cool2:

Men are quite successful at alientating themselves from their children. They have options for staying involved in their kid's lives. They choose not to exercise them.
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Someone has their eyes closed, its just not me:

Are Women More Violent Than Men

(I had asked you to back up your claims with some hard evidence before)


P.S. More cases like the following are emerging:

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/02/23/s...ly-acquits-moon-of-spousal-abuse-charges.html
 
Steinhauer said:
Someone has their eyes closed, its just not me:

Are Women More Violent Than Men

(I had asked you to back up your claims with some hard evidence before)


P.S. More cases like the following are emerging:

PRO FOOTBALL;Jury Rapidly Acquits Moon of Spousal Abuse Charges - New York Times
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Given the field I work in, I have all the hard evidence I need. And your title is quite misleading. Violence at the hands of women is less in incidence than violence at the hands of men. In the comparatively few cases of violence in women, some research has supported the hypothesis that women are capable of greater violence. That research also indicates that they rarely act on it, especially in comparison to their male counterparts.

You really need to come out of isolation.
 
jillio said:
Given the field I work in, I have all the hard evidence I need. And your title is quite misleading. Violence at the hands of women is less in incidence than violence at the hands of men. In the comparatively few cases of violence in women, some research has supported the hypothesis that women are capable of greater violence. That research also indicates that they rarely act on it, especially in comparison to their male counterparts.

You really need to come out of isolation.
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I don't think he actually read that article, plus I can see a cultural and social bias in the article since the survey was done in 1980s Alberta.
 
souggy said:
I don't think he actually read that article, plus I can see a cultural and social bias in the articles since the survey was done in 1980s Alberta.
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Agreed. It seems he seldom reads the articles he links to. Or has a completely different way of processing written language, one of the two.

Yep, definate cultural and social bias. Can't be generalized in the way he is attempting.
 
jillio said:
Agreed. It seems he seldom reads the articles he links to. Or has a completely different way of processing written language, one of the two.

Yep, definate cultural and social bias. Can't be generalized in the way he is attempting.
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Right. I remember mom said even though divorces have been around for awhile, women didn't really seek independent jobs until the 70s and 80s. Combine that with the fact Alberta has a serious drinking problem and high suicide rate (usually common among workers holding down a Fly-in/Fly-out jobs)... yeah. If one is stuck in a miserable relationship with nowhere to escape since it was hard(er) to find a job to support oneself plus any potential dependents, especially in a highly religious area that frown on divorces, domestic violence will escalate since there's no venue to ventilate.
 
souggy said:
Right. I remember mom said even though divorces have been around for awhile, women didn't really seek independent jobs until the 70s and 80s. Combine that with the fact Alberta has a serious drinking problem and high suicide rate (usually common among workers holding down a Fly-in/Fly-out jobs)... yeah. If one is stuck in a miserable relationship with nowhere to escape since it was hard(er) to find a job to support oneself plus any potential dependents, especially in a highly religious area that frown on divorces, domestic violence will escalate since there's no venue to ventilate.
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Absolutely. Again, you are demonstrating that great fluid intelligence of yours.
 
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webexplorer said:
Some women convince men by using their manipulation.

It was on the news that two different adult women were arrested. They seduced a handsome young boy for sexual pleasures and boffs. Some women are still doing it out there anywhere, and they don't care about breaking the law.

Do you know what happened to these boys, and did they pay for the child support? Or, did the boys' parents have to pay for it?
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It is more likely his parents will pay for it... cos of his lack of career experience at young teen age. I saw a few parents had done it before, so...
 
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Steinhauer said:
KarissaMann05 said:
Yeah... I think it should be both, not just one gender but oh well.

By the way, that book looks so interesting to me. Are they in any local store? I don't trust online stores.....
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I am not sure, I will look for it. The author is a professor at Howard.

You might try getting the ISBN and see if local bookstores have it.
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Ah, OK. :ty: But I won't pretend one gender is better than, worse than, more volience, or else than another gender.

Genders are no different. Cos I can't ignore male victims and I don't want highly value female victims more than males, just because of stereotypical strong and man who doesn't need a cry but need to be evil person. Equal is equal, not against any gender for whatever reason is.

Maybe that is just me...
 
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