Roe v. Wade - For Men

freckles said:
I see. I wonder if it's the states or doctors .. souggy is in canada. one of my friends had a hard time to get vasectomy but convinced his doctor why he wanted one. successful.
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It's very much possible. My doctor told me that I needed to meet any of the requirements before going through the tubal litigation procedure.

It could have something to do with the fact that people might have regrets and would want to reverse it.

Insurance will pay for the vasectomy or tubal litigation but they will not pay for the reversal.

So....who knows?
 
Steinhauer said:
It appears you keep focusing on men's decision to have sex without addressing the fact that the woman is a willing partner.
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...as well you're pointing at that women aren't fair; just stating it's because men has a lot of responsiblites (options), too. don't whine; the bottom of line is, women are the ones who carry babies.
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Why would a woman abort in a situation like that if the father wants the responsibility?

Hint: .... because as of 1973, she can

Laws change all the time.
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nah, laws on this won't change. unless men can get pregnant.

why? simply because it's her body. you don't tell a guy to cut off a limb because you want to; it's his body. again, don't have sex with her if you have a feeling she's going to abort--like you said, it takes both, willing partners to prevent extra abortion even if she's going to trick you in. when I read the article you linked in OP, I say, too-frigging-bad. and now he's handling this like a child, making himself looking more a fool. so, are you.

I'm just so glad there's laws out there protecting us, women. for people like you, you can't just insert your pecker, say 'oops' and run. nope. if you want to do that, do that with an automobile, hit-n-run, a lot safer. :giggle:
 
freckles said:
...as well you're pointing at that women aren't fair; just stating it's because men has a lot of responsiblites (options), too. don't whine; the bottom of line is, women are the ones who carry babies. nah, laws on this won't change. unless men can get pregnant.

why? simply because it's her body. you don't tell a guy to cut off a limb because you want to; it's his body. again, don't have sex with her if you have a feeling she's going to abort--like you said, it takes both, willing partners to prevent extra abortion even if she's going to trick you in. when I read the article you linked in OP, I say, too-frigging-bad. and now he's handling this like a child, making himself looking more a fool. so, are you.

I'm just so glad there's laws out there protecting us, women. for people like you, you can't just insert your pecker, say 'oops' and run. nope. if you want to do that, do that with an automobile, hit-n-run, a lot safer. :giggle:
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I am not sure where you are getting that I am "whining" ... All I see is "whining" that men should have no say so in the fate of a child's life (your argument). If that is your argument, then I say, men should have the option of legally opting out.

You said in earlier post that you did not "need" the father of your child - but you certainly needed him to get pregnant?

I mean ... come on ... :roll:

You didn't get pregnant all by yourself ......
 
KarissaMann05 said:
I just read this interesting link: thechildsupportissue - prolife0207

But it reminds me of one old story about young teen boy was forced to pay her child support, so I guess it must be his fault, not hers. I guess...
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Always his fault :roll:


[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Taken-into-Custody-Fatherhood-Marriage/dp/1581825943]Amazon.com: Taken into Custody: The War Against Fatherhood, Marriage, and the Family (9781581825947): Stephen Baskerville: Books: Reviews, Prices & more[/ame]


Taken Into Custody explores:
Why the "deadbeat dad" is not only a myth but a hoax, the creation of government officials and lawyers who plunder parents whose children they have taken away
How hysterical propaganda about domestic violence is destroying families, endangering children, and making criminals of innocent parents
The real causes of child abuse and how the abuse industry willfully ignores them
What drives the rash of "parental kidnappings"
How family courts operate as if there is no Bill of Rights, denying parents their constitutional legal protections
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Yeah... I think it should be both, not just one gender but oh well.

By the way, that book looks so interesting to me. Are they in any local store? I don't trust online stores.....
 
I wonder... would you guys be saying the same thing about "No fair to fathers" if abortion was illegal...?
 
Daredevel7 said:
I wonder... would you guys be saying the same thing about "No fair to fathers" if abortion was illegal...?
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Not much point in asking. The same people making all the noise about "men's rights" are mostly pro-lifers as well. If a woman can get one, a man should be able to choose one as well, I think that is what they are saying. Who knows? My question to Golfer remains untouched, even though he was back long enough to show his support for women going topless.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I wonder... would you guys be saying the same thing about "No fair to fathers" if abortion was illegal...?
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exactly, thank you....guys' brains--poof. cannot see himself whinning. cannot accept his responsibility. one more reason why we have these laws.
 
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saywhatkid said:
Daredevel7 said:
I wonder... would you guys be saying the same thing about "No fair to fathers" if abortion was illegal...?
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Not much point in asking. The same people making all the noise about "men's rights" are mostly pro-lifers as well. If a woman can get one, a man should be able to choose one as well, I think that is what they are saying. Who knows? My question to Golfer remains untouched, even though he was back long enough to show his support for women going topless.
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Well... yet on deviantART and a few another forums, I see many male pro-choicers said the same thing...

About illegal abortions, I don't think it is different way... maybe, it is still same.
By the way -- cos Golfer may feel disappointed that you think he support forcing abortions by asked him. That is probably why he won't answer yours. I don't think Golfer is all right with forced abortions on women.

Well, let me ask you - are you okay with forcing young boys to pay child support? Like 11 to 14 years old? Are you defending female rapists and it is OK to blame male victims as his fault? That is point. Golfer won't answer it cos of your question sounds more of accustion against himself... I'm not intend to get a fight with you. I just point out something... If you feel offend my quote, I apologize...
 
KarissaMann05 said:
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Well... yet on deviantART and a few another forums, I see many male pro-choicers said the same thing...

About illegal abortions, I don't think it is different way... maybe, it is still same.
By the way -- cos Golfer may feel disappointed that you think he support forcing abortions by asked him. That is probably why he won't answer yours. I don't think Golfer is all right with forced abortions on women.

Well, let me ask you - are you okay with forcing young boys to pay child support? Like 11 to 14 years old? Are you defending female rapists and it is OK to blame male victims as his fault? That is point. Golfer won't answer it cos of your question sounds more of accustion against himself... I'm not intend to get a fight with you. I just point out something... If you feel offend my quote, I apologize...
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That's a whole lotta yard mowing to keep a baby in diapers. Boys under age 15 are not able to find decent jobs because of regulations. I mean, maybe there is something, but it would take a near genius kid to find it.

Female rapist? My only issue with that is the fact that the "male victim" would need to become erect and ejaculate. I find it difficult to believe this situation occurs anywhere remotely close to 1% of these pregnancies. When a woman gets raped, she does not have to become stimulated. Her sexual willingness does not matter. Nothing to get hard. Even if she does not get wet, a rapist will still do his thing.

Poor Golfer. You are absolutely correct. I accuse him of double standards. Not going to deny it.
 
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Males can't be raped by females? Get over it. There's a difference between stimulation / hormones and consciously desiring it. Only reason why it's not widely reported is because of jerks calling male victims who say otherwise "pussies" and telling them "get over it" followed by invalidating their experiences with backward biological assumptions.
 
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souggy said:
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Males can't be raped by females? Get over it. There's a difference between stimulation / hormones and consciously desiring it. Only reason why it's not widely reported is because of jerks calling male victims who say otherwise "pussies" and telling them "get over it" followed by invalidating their experiences with backward biological assumptions.
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Never said it was impossible. I said it was likely in less than 1% of all unwanted pregnancies. Men tend to be the ones raping, because men have more wiring that predisposes them to control issues. Rape is not about getting pregnant. It is not about sexual enjoyment. It is about control. And for a woman to rape a man, then get pregnant, then demand payment? Especially if this is a documented crime? The pussy part would be saying nothing. If there was a woman that overpowered me, or forced me at gunpoint, I would be at the police station the same day. They could call me a pussy all they want. I would use a different name. It would be "victim of sexual assault."
 
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saywhatkid said:
souggy said:
Males can't be raped by females? Get over it. There's a difference between stimulation / hormones and consciously desiring it. Only reason why it's not widely reported is because of jerks calling male victims who say otherwise "pussies" and telling them "get over it" followed by invalidating their experiences with backward biological assumptions.
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Never said it was impossible. I said it was likely in less than 1% of all unwanted pregnancies. Men tend to be the ones raping, because men have more wiring that predisposes them to control issues. Rape is not about getting pregnant. It is not about sexual enjoyment. It is about control. And for a woman to rape a man, then get pregnant, then demand payment? Especially if this is a documented crime? The pussy part would be saying nothing. If there was a woman that overpowered me, or forced me at gunpoint, I would be at the police station the same day. They could call me a pussy all they want. I would use a different name. It would be "victim of sexual assault."
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[nlBut we're talking about preteens here... You know how fathers treat boys who have sex at an early age.
 
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a minor should not be paying child support... And the person who over 18 years old and had sex with him is not fit to be a mother anyway.
 
Some women convince men by using their manipulation.

It was on the news that two different adult women were arrested. They seduced a handsome young boy for sexual pleasures and boffs. Some women are still doing it out there anywhere, and they don't care about breaking the law.

Do you know what happened to these boys, and did they pay for the child support? Or, did the boys' parents have to pay for it?
 
Steinhauer said:
I am not sure where you are getting that I am "whining" ... All I see is "whining" that men should have no say so in the fate of a child's life (your argument). If that is your argument, then I say, men should have the option of legally opting out.

You said in earlier post that you did not "need" the father of your child - but you certainly needed him to get pregnant?

I mean ... come on ... :roll:

You didn't get pregnant all by yourself ......
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Men have plenty of say. There is just a huge proportion that choose not to exercise it.
 
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