Richard Matt And David Sweat, Convicted Murderers, Escape From New York Prison

[hoichi]

you're confused and sorely mistaken.

we do mind our business if we have different beliefs. when it comes to crime... we help each other out.

mind your own business if people want to be gay.
mind your own business if people want to be Christian/Catholic/Muslim/etc.
mind your own business if people want to homeschool children.

but do something if you see a crime.

Well we dissgree on this jiro...all cool..really

 

[hoichi]

That! Don't mind other people's business and begone. If you are not happy to hear about other people's business, there's NOTHING you can do.

For example, if you raped a girl and your son saw it and called 911, he did that to protect the girl you raped regardless of your relationship to him. I don't see why it pisses you off.

Alright....
But considering jiros misunderstsnding i want tO state very clearly.
I. Not a rapist. Or anything evil.my crimes were drug offences..
AlrighF
Back to the thread.

 

[rockin'robin]

David Sweat starts talking, revealing plans

MALONE, New York - After shooting and capturing fugitive convict David Sweat on Sunday afternoon, New York State Police scrambled in a police convoy to get him to a hospital to keep him alive. He was their only hope in revealing the details of his escape, since his partner-in-escape, Richard Matt, was dead.

They succeeded, as his condition was upgraded on Monday to serious, and he has since begun revealing what the plan was after he and Matt were the first to escape from the maximum-security portion of the Clinton Correctional Facility since it was built in 1865.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Monday Sweat told officials that the two inmates had initially planned to go Mexico.

Sweat said he and his partner had planned on being picked up June 6 by a prison worker named Joyce Mitchell, who has been accused of having intimate relations with Matt. The governor says they were to kill her husband and drive to Mexico, but Mitchell backed out at the last minute.

Instead of driving to get her alleged fugitive lover, she checked into a hospital suffering from a panic attack.

Cuomo said Sweat has revealed this and some other information as his condition improves.

Cuomo told the Capitol Pressroom that when Mitchell failed to pick them up, they instead headed north on foot toward Canada.

The governor said the two men split up about five days ago. He said Matt had blisters on his feet and Sweat felt his older escape partner - who turned 49 while the two were on the run - was slowing him down.

Sweat almost made it to Canada. He was shot twice after a state police officer spotted him within two miles of the border. He had a bag containing maps, insect repellant, Pop Tarts and other items, but no weapons.

A statement Monday from Albany Medical Center said Sweat did not need surgery and would remain there "for at least a few days while his condition stabilizes."

His capture ended a dramatic manhunt that began when Sweat and Matt cut holes in the walls of their adjoining cells, worked their way through a maze of catwalks and pipes and emerged from a manhole in the early hours of June 6 within sight of the prison walls. It was the first escape from the prison in more than 100 years.

Now authorities want to know who might have helped them. In addition to Mitchell, another prison employee has already been arrested and accused of, among other things, giving the two inmates frozen hamburger meat with hacksaw blades and other tools hidden inside.

On Friday, Matt was killed with three shots to the head after being found near a cabin in the vast wooded region where the two men are thought to have moved between hunting camps that are mostly empty this time of year.

Matt - who once vowed never to be taken alive - was sick and drunk when police caught up with him, according to a report. Investigators said that the finding of Matt's soiled underwear before they caught up with him indicated he was likely ill from consuming contaminated food or water.

One of the tips that led investigators to Matt was a local reporting one of their cabins having been broken into, with empty or half-drunken bottles of booze lying everywhere, the Buffalo News reports. Officials said Matt's corpse reeked of alcohol.

More than 1,200 law enforcement officers had been searching for them. But D'Amico said the men may have used black pepper to throw off their scent from the dogs that tried to track them.

The manhunt ended Sunday afternoon when a single police officer spotted a suspicious man jogging on a rural road near the Canadian border. New York State Police Sgt. Jay Cook fired twice as Sweat ran for the treeline, worrying he might get away.

"I can only assume he was going for the border," Superintendent Joseph D'Amico told reporters.

The two prisoners had cut their way out of a maximum-security prison 30 miles away using power tools.

Prison guard Gene Palmer, charged with promoting prison contraband, tampering with physical evidence and official misconduct, was due in court Monday. His attorney has said he will plead not guilty.

Joyce Mitchell pleaded not guilty June 15 to charges including felony promoting prison contraband.

Mitchell has been accused of having sexual relations with one of the prisoners. Her husband, Lyle Mitchell, has refuted the claims.

"The nightmare is finally over," Cuomo declared Sunday, but he said many questions remained unanswered, including whether the inmates had other accomplices.

Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie said Sweat will be charged with escape, burglary and other charges for his time on the run once he is recovered in the hospital.

Sweat had been serving a sentence of life without parole in the killing of a sheriff's deputy in Broome County in 2002. Matt had been serving 25 years to life for the killing and dismembering of his former boss.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-sweat-former-escaped-prisoner-starts-talking-revealing-plans/

 

[CrazyPaul]

Feel Hoichi still has the prison mentality....dunno how long he's been out tho'....still has anger issues too.... "snitch" is worded among Black people too! even those not in prison....and a Rat in prison is good as dead.....

Would I have reported Sweat?...darn right I would...he was desperate...and desperate people do desperate things...

Yeah, that's sad. They have fear so that's why they don't call 911 or report what they saw.

What I learned is that if they did, they would be afraid to be killed. Just like Mafia.

 

[hoichi]

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No, the meanings are not the sames.

Yes thEy are the same. There is no doubt about it.


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There's no spin. Turning in escaped killers is a positive action. Nothing big brother about that.s.

And thatS your opinion. Mine is different...cool

And cons must accept the consequences of their escape attempts.s.

Of course

The cop and the kidnapped boss didn't deserve to die, and the two murderers had no justification in killing them. None.s.

Sweat had the justification once the cop raised his weapon, it was his life or the cops
Matt indeed was some bad bones..

Cop killers and their supporters are evil.s.

Well this is an interesting statement of theodicity. You will be hard pressed to find much support oF it in christianity...we can start with the bible, or st. augusitne if you like?

I never stated that a nation of rats or tattletales was a good thing. I stated very specifically that those people who turned in the escaped killers did a good thing. That's not ratting or tattling, and it's not a nation of people.s.

Thats exactly what it was. You just state it was a goodbthing..cool. but their is no denyinG what they did.

Turning in bad people who are doing a bad thing is good.s.

Alright.

A free society is not an anarchy for killers to run loose in. The killers gave up their right to freedom when they chose to murder.s.

And woN their freedom for how ever long they won it when they escaped. Sure.

This was not a case of big brother. As you pointed out, it wasn't high tech surveillance equipment or techniques that caught the escapees.s.

Big brother as an ideal is not dependdnt on high tech. It can exist in many different forms. The very novel thwt coined the term 1984 woukd be considered very low tech by todays standards of survailence and state indoctrination

It also wasn't "everyone" turning in "anyone." It was a few specific individuals turning in two escaped killers.

But every one was in on it. Anyone coukd have, it was just the luck of those people who spotted them that was the defining eho turned them.in..

 

[rockin'robin]

Yeah, that's sad. They have fear so that's why they don't call 911 or report what they saw.

What I learned is that if they did, they would be afraid to be killed. Just like Mafia.

Dunno about being killed...but...with all the black on black crime in my City, they "demand" justice...but will not give up any information to the Police....Been going on for years and years.....

 

[hoichi]

Dunno about being killed...but...with all the black on black crime in my City, they "demand" justice...but will not give up any information to the Police....Been going on for years and years.....

Because ratting and snirching people out is a sure way to get hurt or killed. Especcialy in the hood,
People dont want plms.
Most want to be left alone. Not targeted for ratting to the police.

 

[soutthpaw]

that bothers me because you keep saying that sweat killed a cop who did his job and that was not evil. What about the cop's family? It sounds like that you'd say to his children, "oh well, your dad was dead because he was a cop so sweat didn't do the evil thing." unbelievable!

x2.

 

[soutthpaw]

Im only stating the fact. thats all.
Part of the duty of biing a cop, is putting your life on the line. And when you fall. You fall in the line of duty.
That is what happened.
I dont think anyone denies that.
I dont think it was an evil act because i dont belive evil can spawn good. If its a "good" to give ones life for your duty, and fall in the line of duty, then it was not evil that produced that good.
eviL cannot produce good.
so then sweat killing the cop, was many many other things...but evil it is not.
But we can agree to disagree. Its all cool

You definitely have done too many drugs...

 

[CrazyPaul]

Alright....
But considering jiros misunderstsnding i want tO state very clearly.
I. Not a rapist. Or anything evil.my crimes were drug offences..
AlrighF
Back to the thread.

You have not answered my hypotheses. Wouldn't your son do the right thing to protect a girl you raped? Should he seal his lips because he's your son?

 

[hoichi]

You definitely have done too many drugs...

Indeed. nd its been 15 yeas since hard use...
Yep

 

[hoichi]

You have not answered my hypotheses. Wouldn't your son do the right thing to protect a girl you raped? Should he seal his lips because he's your son?

I dont apreciete this being personal. If your going to use personal statements when it comes to a hypothetical rape.
Use yourself. Not me
Thaank you.
Because its becoming slander..
I hwve never raped anyone in my life. AnD nor will i.
i wouldnt be so touchy about this, but considering jirios misunderstanding...i need this all to be clear.

 

[CrazyPaul]

I dont apreciete this being personal. If your going to use personal statements when it comes to a hypothetical rape.
Use yourself. Not me
Thaank you.
Because its becoming slander..
I hwve never raped anyone in my life. AnD nor will i.
i wouldnt be so touchy about this, but considering jirios misunderstanding...i need this all to be clear.

Oh alright, my sincere apology. Please accept it. If you do, thanks in advance.

 

[hoichi]

Oh alright, my sincere apology. Please accept it. If you do, thanks in advance.

No worrries. all cool crazy paul..thank you for understanding.

 

[Reba]

I wouldnt be hapoy if my son ratted some dudes out..
I would be very disapointed in him.
Its nothing to laud. Nothing at all.
Yeah
Lets move on..
Cool..

So, if your son reporting the location of an escaped killer prevented further danger to innocent people you would be disappointed in him? You prefer that he not care about other people in his community and look out only for number 1?

That's really sad.

 

[hoichi]

So, if your son reporting the location of an escaped killer prevented further danger to innocent people you would be disappointed in him? You prefer that he not care about other people in his community and look out only for number 1?

That's really sad.

I prefer and have instilled in him. To mind his bussiness. Keep his mouth shut, never ever ever rat on his friends or blood. and never say a thing if questioned or spoken to by cops. To avoid the police, to not trust the police, that the state is not his friend, and his blood comes before all else
Call it sad All you want
Its how i was brought up.
And those rules have suited me, guided me and saved me the harsh fate ive known fools get handed. Plenty of murdered fools in every town have been murdered for nothing, due to an open mouth to eager cops that cared not a damn for the lives that would be ruined over them bucking for a Promotion. he knows its a job with them. And as such they dont give one damn about him period. He doenst believe yoir hype one bit.and wont fall for it hook line and sinker. Hes a wee anarchist...like his old man...a chip of the old sign. And he makes me proud.."-)
Now.
Back to the thread

 

[Jiro]

Cmon jiro..really now? im stating the only time ill make it my bussiness to actaully ratt on someone is if that peeson commited s crime against kids...

sorry that I misunderstood. I didn't understand what you were saying.

Not you man, im ststing if a peeson breaks into my home or goes after mine...ill do thrm.

gotcha!

Thats fine for you...i want no part in it.

Ill still mind my own bussiness...cool. thsnk you.

I get that...i do

that's fine. this is America. everybody is free to make a choice - either good or bad. they're not required to report a crime.

 

[Reba]

Yes thEy are the same. There is no doubt about it.

In your mind. You might be on the outside now but your worldview is still incarcerated.

And thatS your opinion. Mine is different…cool

Of course

Sweat had the justification once the cop raised his weapon, it was his life or the cops
Matt indeed was some bad bones.. [/quote]
Sweat had no justification for killing the cop. None. He was caught in the commission of a crime and didn't surrender. He's the one who put himself in jeopardy.

Well this is an interesting statement of theodicity. You will be hard pressed to find much support oF it in christianity...we can start with the bible, or st. augusitne if you like?

Not hard at all. Murder is evil, and those who support evil are themselves evil.

The Bible says those in authority (includes the police) should be prayed for and supported. (I Timothy 2:1-2)

Thats exactly what it was. You just state it was a goodbthing..cool. but their is no denyinG what they did.

Alright.

And woN their freedom for how ever long they won it when they escaped. Sure.

No, they won nothing. They temporarily escaped incarceration. That's all.

Big brother as an ideal is not dependdnt on high tech. It can exist in many different forms. The very novel thwt coined the term 1984 woukd be considered very low tech by todays standards of survailence and state indoctrination

Big brother is not my ideal. Catching escaped killers is not the same as wholesale surveillance of innocent citizens. No state had to indoctrinate anyone to have the common sense to know that dangerous killers shouldn't be allowed to run freely thru their communities.

But every one was in on it. Anyone coukd have, it was just the luck of those people who spotted them that was the defining eho turned them.in..

Anyone who had information about the escaped killers was free to make a report and should make a report, for the safety of the community. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Reba]

I prefer and have instilled in him. To mind his bussiness. Keep his mouth shut, never ever ever rat on his friends or blood. and never say a thing if questioned or spoken to by cops. To avoid the police, to not trust the police, that the state is not his friend, and his blood comes before all else
Call it sad All you want
Its how i was brought up.

I'm sorry that you were brought up that way, with such a negative outlook. You know, we none of us had a perfect upbringing, and as mature adults we can overcome the negative lessons.

The people who turned in information about the two escapees weren't friends or blood of them.

Having that attitude about cops is setting him up for self-fulfilling negative interactions with the police for sure.

There's a difference between not being nosey and intrusive in others' lives, and having concern for our fellow human beings, and being willing to help them.

Of course, you're free to live a selfish life if you want.

And those rules have suited me, guided me and saved me the harsh fate ive known fools get handed. Plenty of murdered fools in every town have been murdered for nothing, due to an open mouth to eager cops that cared not a damn for the lives that would be ruined over them bucking for a Promotion. he knows its a job with them. And as such they dont give one damn about him period. He doenst believe yoir hype one bit.and wont fall for it hook line and sinker. Hes a wee anarchist...like his old man...a chip of the old sign. And he makes me proud.."-)
Now.
Back to the thread

What hype?

 

[sara1981]

'Shawshank' two planned to flee to MEXICO: Details emerge of their 23 days on the run as David Sweat slowly recovers from gunshot wounds
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-begin-emerge-fugitives-three-weeks-lam.html

Prison guard accused of smuggling contraband to Shawshank escapees via hamburger meat stands beet red and silent during court appearance
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-meat-beet-red-silent-court-appearance.html

captured escapee David Sweat says he planned to go to Mexico, Cuomo says
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/29/us/new-york-prison-break/index.html

David Sweat starts talking, revealing plans
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-sweat-former-escaped-prisoner-starts-talking-revealing-plans/