Josh Duggar resigns from Family Research Council after sexual abuse allegations

DeafDucky said:
Most articles etc I've been seeing says that 4 of the 5 were his sisters or at least 'some of the 5 were his sisters'. In this article it says



http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...h-duggar-sexually-assaulted-underage-sisters/

the redacted police report
http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#0

if you look on page 18, it mentions that one of the victims was a babysitter.
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hence exhibiting same behaviors as a sexual predator.
 
Jezie said:
All parties were in the same family, this is a family matter that the authorities did not need to be involved with.
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not all of them.

Jezie said:
The girls even stated they felt safe in their home.
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are they really? I seriously doubt it. this is not the first time victims say something like that. "no no no!! everything is fine!!!"

Jezie said:
Why involve more people who will blow everything up and over react? Why put it out there where society will tear into ever aspect of their lives. They were all children. If this concept is past you then there is nothing more that can be said.
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overreaction? blowing everything up? I strongly and firmly disagree. we're not making a mountain out of a molehill. we're strongly rebuking Josh Duggar and parties involved because they went at great length to cover it up and not disclosing it when taking up a position at FRC (or did he... privately?)

Jezie said:
You say the authorities would help....what day and age do they do anything but cause more issues? They would have come in arrested the boy, taken the kids from the parents, the parents could have been charged, the parents would of had to fight for their kids back, the boy would of went to juvie, ect... their lives would have been up rooted and tossed. One could call it a modern day tar and feathering...
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now that's you overreacting.
 
DeafDucky said:
Most articles etc I've been seeing says that 4 of the 5 were his sisters or at least 'some of the 5 were his sisters'. In this article it says



http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...h-duggar-sexually-assaulted-underage-sisters/

the redacted police report
http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#0

if you look on page 18, it mentions that one of the victims was a babysitter.
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Still going through some of this....but does anywhere on it give age of the babysitter...I am curious....
 
Jiro said:
not all of them.


are they really? I seriously doubt it. this is not the first time victims say something like that. "no no no!! everything is fine!!!"


overreaction? blowing everything up? I strongly and firmly disagree. we're not making a mountain out of a molehill. we're strongly rebuking Josh Duggar and parties involved because they went at great length to cover it up and not disclosing it when taking up a position at FRC (or did he... privately?)


now that's you overreacting.
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Still working on the who babysitter aspect so will give you that...truth he is still a 14 year old boy at the time and should be handled by the parents of all parties involved.

As for the victims... Sure some will immediately say all is fine...a few years later....generally by then no they will tell the truth especially if there is still a chance of it happening or is still occurring...
How is it me over reacting when that is what happens....
 
Jezie said:
Still working on the who babysitter aspect so will give you that...truth he is still a 14 year old boy at the time and should be handled by the parents of all parties involved.

As for the victims... Sure some will immediately say all is fine...a few years later....generally by then no they will tell the truth especially if there is still a chance of it happening or is still occurring...
How is it me over reacting when that is what happens....
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you were making an overreaction with what would happen. you're also implying that when a sexual abuse like this happened... it is best left untold and hidden.
 
Jiro said:
you're making an overreaction with what would happen.
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Hmm experience vs what your word? Try me again... What foundation to you hold this accusation of my overreaction on?
 
Jezie said:
Hmm experience vs what your word? Try me again... What foundation to you hold this accusation of my overreaction on?
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first of all - it never happened. we don't know what would happen if the father brought it to proper authority to deal with it.
 
Jiro said:
first of all - it never happened. we don't know what would happen if the father brought it to proper authority to deal with it.
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But we do have all the other cases that are brought to the authorities.
 
Steinhauer said:
Just a question ... since his family's intervention, and since his counseling (you have asserted it was fake counseling), has Josh Duggar sexually assaulted anyone? And where have Duggar's parents found fault with the victims?

:hmm:

Apparently, the liberals are having acid flashbacks or something, because you guys see things the rest of the sane world does not see.
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If you look at the form that someone posted, that is taken from the guidelines of their religion for counseling those who were sexually abused. When it has "why were they abused" they actually put possible reasons like dressing immodestly. So the victims, when being counseled by the church, are questioned or told they were dressing immodestly or other reasons that were the victim's fault. As I said before, their own religion blames a guy's arousal on the woman and the boys are policed by people other than themselves. The girls would have to look around for something immodest, call out "Nike" and the boys would look down at their shoes (hence the Nike). They would jump in front of the TV to block any immodest clothing or behavior. This modesty control was all explained on the show. The boys were never expected when they were young to do this themselves. Instead of teaching self-control this just perpetuates that sexuality is all in the control of women and thus their fault if the boy or man wanders.

I was talking with someone who is an attorney that handles sexual abuse cases. She said that when someone does what Josh did as a teen, and gets treatment, the chances of re-offending are really low compared to when an adult does it to a family member. It's something like 3-4% re-offend after treatment. His own mother said he didn't get real counseling, he went to go work with someone they knew, had his head shaved (which you could see on the shows filmed around that time) and at least the understanding that he'd mess up the rest of his life was put in him. He did not get counseling by someone trained in counseling. This was in the police report, not from my acid flashback. So this fear at least has stopped him from doing anything else. And hopefully by being an adult, having exposure to the real world and having a sexual outlet means that doing what he did before is not ever an urge he has again.
 
Eater of Worlds said:
If you look at the form that someone posted, that is taken from the guidelines of their religion for counseling those who were sexually abused. When it has "why were they abused" they actually put possible reasons like dressing immodestly. So the victims, when being counseled by the church, are questioned or told they were dressing immodestly or other reasons that were the victim's fault. As I said before, their own religion blames a guy's arousal on the woman and the boys are policed by people other than themselves. The girls would have to look around for something immodest, call out "Nike" and the boys would look down at their shoes (hence the Nike). They would jump in front of the TV to block any immodest clothing or behavior. This modesty control was all explained on the show. The boys were never expected when they were young to do this themselves. Instead of teaching self-control this just perpetuates that sexuality is all in the control of women and thus their fault if the boy or man wanders.

I was talking with someone who is an attorney that handles sexual abuse cases. She said that when someone does what Josh did as a teen, and gets treatment, the chances of re-offending are really low compared to when an adult does it to a family member. It's something like 3-4% re-offend after treatment. His own mother said he didn't get real counseling, he went to go work with someone they knew, had his head shaved (which you could see on the shows filmed around that time) and at least the understanding that he'd mess up the rest of his life was put in him. He did not get counseling by someone trained in counseling. This was in the police report, not from my acid flashback. So this fear at least has stopped him from doing anything else. And hopefully by being an adult, having exposure to the real world and having a sexual outlet means that doing what he did before is not ever an urge he has again.
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My question was ... If the counseling worked (i.e. The unwanted behavior ceased), then why all the fuss?

You can criticize it all you want to. It worked though.
 
He's not a pedophile because the girl was not 13 or younger (regarding Rob Lowe).

The fuss regarding Josh Duggar is that his parents let it happen again. They did not take him away from the house or do anything about it the first time it happened, and only did something after it happened a second time. They did not report it to the police until someone outside the family found out about it. His parents didn't give a crap about the girls, it was all "what can we do to hide our son from his actions". This guy who tries to regulate other people's sexuality is guilty of sexual offenses.

Just because he stopped diddling his sisters does not mean that people should be ok with his actions. That's like saying you're ok with Jerry Sandusky if he had stopped abusing the boys. Just shove it under the rug, it's all good, eh?

Thankfully, Huckabee just lost the presidency by publicly supporting Josh.
 
Steinhauer said:
She was 15 almost 16 years old. Her mother attempted to fight for justice, but Rob Lowe just had too much money. She worked at a salon and didn't have nearly the same resources.

Plus, Rob Lowe was in town promoting the Democratic Party. And everyone knows how they fight. They can do no wrong.
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Alright...but by definition he isnt a pedo then. She was almost 16..
A pedo is somone who is aroused and attracted to those in pre pubuety..for him the definition.in that case i guess would.be epibiphile...or one who is attracted to teens after the onset of puburty...
There is a huge difference between a 7 year old and an almost 16year old...
For what its worth..
 
hoichi said:
Alright...but by definition he isnt a pedo then. She was almost 16..
A pedo is somone who is aroused and attracted to those in pre pubuety..for him the definition.in that case i guess would.be epibiphile...or one who is attracted to teens after the onset of puburty...
There is a huge difference between a 7 year old and an almost 16year old...
For what its worth..
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I just found from wiki.
Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger.[1][2] As a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[1] A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years of age, but adolescents must be at least five years older than the prepubescent child for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia.
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You are correct about Rob Lowe didn't meet the definition of pedophilia.

For Josh Duggar, it does indeed meet the definition.
 
Foxrac said:
I just found from wiki.


You are correct about Rob Lowe didn't meet the definition of pedophilia.

For Josh Duggar, it does indeed meet the definition.
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Indeed foxrac.
There is no way around.it. if a person is or has molested a 5 year old so on...that person is a pedo...
Only a.certain kind of person can do that to another...thats a pedo..
i dont follow this guy or his show or his politics so on...
But he fits the criteria, as for what he did.
 
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