Josh Duggar resigns from Family Research Council after sexual abuse allegations

this was the "counseling" he received for his sexual predator behavior

The Duggars use Bill Gothard's Advanced Training Institute for homeschooling. This is how sexual abuse is approached:
Click to expand...
CFoory8UkAAh7mK.jpg:large


and get this....
Gothard resigned from his org in 2014 after 30+ women said he engaged in regular sexual harassment towards them.
Click to expand...
 
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejo...know-about-the-josh-duggar-police-report.html
In December 2006, someone called a hotline and reported that Josh Duggar had sexually molested several girls three and a half years before. Around the same time, Harpo Studios faxed an email they had received informing them of the allegations (the Duggars had been slated to be on Oprah) to the Department of Human Services. It seems that at the time of the assaults a family friend wrote a letter about what happened and put it in a book, and that book was loaned out years later and the letter discovered, and the person who discovered it wanted to disclose the information.

Jim Bob was called in and interviewed. He stated that Josh had sexually molested several girls over the course of a year. Jim Bob knew of this beginning in March 2002, when Josh was 14. Josh’s victims were children younger than him, and in some cases significantly so. For an entire year Jim Bob knew what was happening, but did not go to the police or seek treatment or outside intervention. In March 2003, with the incidents of molestation still occurring, Jim Bob said he and the elders at his church, to whom he had gone for advice, agreed that Josh should enter a treatment program.

But when one of the elders at Jim Bob’s church suggested sending Josh to a legitimate treatment program, Jim Bob demurred, reasoning that Josh would likely be exposed to more serious offenders and that that was not appropriate for the nature of his offense. So instead of sending Josh to an actual treatment program, Jim Bob sent him to Little Rock for four months to help a family friend with some remodeling.

When Josh returned in July 2003, Jim Bob took Josh to speak with a state trooper he knew personally about what had happened. The trooper gave Josh “a very stern talk” but didn’t file a report, reportedly reasoning that nothing needed to be done because Josh had already gone through a treatment program. Except of course that helping a family friend in Little Rock do some remodeling is not a treatment program. (The trooper who spoke with Josh was later convicted of child pornography.)

After interviewing the victims and other witnesses (all of whom corroborated Jim Bob’s story), police closed the case. Why? Because in Arkansas the statute of limitations for sexual assault is three years, and they were unable to find any evidence of any act of molestation or assault within the last three years. At this time Josh was 18. Police ascertained that Josh had at least five victims from at least two families.

I don’t know whether Josh has molested any children since 2003. I know very little about the science behind sexual molestation that occurs while the perpetrator is still a minor. There are some things I do know, though.
Click to expand...

1. Sexual abuse should always always always be reported to the authorities immediately, even when the perpetrator is a minor. Jim Bob did not report what happened for well over a year, and when he finally did, he went to a trooper who was a family friend. This is a serious serious problem. The case of Zion and Glenda Dutro presents an especially hideous example of how badly reporting to cops who are personal acquaintances can go wrong (click through at your own risk). Don’t do this!

2. Professional counselors and treatment programs are a must in cases involving sexual abuse. Talking to your elders or doing manual labor for a couple of months does not constitute counseling or a treatment program. Josh told People that both he and his victims received counseling. But given that his parents stated in 2006 that the only treatment he received was several months of manual labor, I’m highly skeptical that his victims received any actual counseling themselves. I know of a large Christian homeschooling family where incest was discovered between two of the sons, partly as a result of a complete lack of sex education, and both were shamed for what happened, nothing was reported, and no counseling was received. This is a problem.

3. It is not okay to conceal a history of child molestation from parents of other children a perpetrator has regular contact with. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely believe in protecting the identity of victims. But if someone is an offender against children, they have the potential to reoffend. People should not leave children alone with a person with a history of molesting children, and that means they need to know that a person has a history of molesting children. While Jim Bob told the elders at the family’s church about what had happened, neither they nor the elders notified the church members more generally. This is bad, as it put other children at risk.

4. Handling child molestation as “sin” rather than addressing the psychology behind it is a serious problem. In their statements to People, the Duggars spoke of Josh’s past wrongdoing as “past teenage mistakes” and spoke of growing closer to God through it. But it appears that Josh never had legitimate counseling or treatment to work through his problem. Some sexual things are normal for a teen to do—say, masturbating—but other sexual things are not typical behavior—say, molesting children—and those things need to be addressed professionally rather than simply as “sin” issues. Failing to do so places other children at risk.

5. In too many cases, church elders fail to report sexual abuse to the proper authorities. We’ve seen this before, again, and again, and again. It is not clear from the police report whether Jim Bob spoke with his church’s elders about the incidents of molestation first in March 2003 or whether he spoke with them earlier as well. But even if he only spoke with them in March 2003, they still failed to immediately report the incidents to the authorities as they should have. According to Jim Bob, the elders agreed that he should report the situation to the authorities once Josh returned from the remodeling project in Little Rock, and one of the elders went with him when he did so. This was both too late (they should have reported it immediately) and too little (the report was made to a trooper who was a friend).

6. Local police and state troopers need to take sexual molestation seriously and follow the law with regards to reporting it. The trooper Jim Bob and Josh spoke with was a mandatory reporter and should by law have filed a report and launched an investigation. He failed to do so, and as a result the statute of limitations ran out before any action could be taken. This particular trooper was later convicted of child abuse, spent time in prison, then reoffended and is now back in prison. This was a serious, serious law enforcement fail.

7. Good sex education is very important. I don’t know for sure what sort of sex education Josh Duggar received, but I do know that children homeschooled through the Christian program the Duggars used with Josh (ATI) are generally woefully uneducated when it comes to sex. Parents who avoid more comprehensive sex education often see themselves as trying to avoid awakening children’s sexuality too early, but these efforts can end very very badly because leaving children completely ignorant about sex can be a serious problem.

8. The good Christian family aura can hide underlying problems. If I had a dollar for every time someone has praised the Duggars for being a perfect example of a good Christian family, I’d be rich. Sweet smiles and matching clothes can cover up a lot and make people assume that things are more perfect than they are. I know what it’s like to force a smile for family pictures people later ooo and ahh over, even as I’m crying inside. We need to remember that.

9. Sheltering children from the world doesn’t work. For years now, I have seen commenters across the internet praise the Duggars for raising godly children away from the materialism and sexualization of the modern world. Sorry guys, it doesn’t work like that. Please stop promoting the Duggars’ lifestyle by claiming that it has protected these children from the evils of the world! It hasn’t.

10. Homeschooling can limit children’s ability to report abuse. Children who attend school have contact with teachers, counselors, and other adults they can go to for help, or for advice about problems in their home situations. Both Josh and his victims were homeschooled, which almost certainly limited the number of trusted adults they could go to for help, especially given that their social activities appear to have revolved around their church and other likeminded families who probably also believed in dealing such problems in-house. According to the police report, some of the victims did try to get help. It’s just that their avenues for obtaining said help were sadly limited.
Click to expand...
 
Me: I'm bisexual guy!!!
FRC: Oh really, are you sure?
Me: Yes, why?
FRC: Bisexuality is sin and you could go to hell.
Me: Oh really, are you kidding me?
FRC: No, you can see a giant lightning that prove about the God is real.
Me: What you want to do?
FRC: You need go to conversion therapy.
Me: I tried and didn't work.
FRC: You need try one more - I ordered you to visit Gothard.
Me: I tried but it made me very depressed.
FRC: Oh sorry, there is final way to save yourself is commit suicide.
Me: Why?
FRC: You will go to heaven if you commit suicide and you can meet former President Reagan.
Me: Oh really? What kind of method that you recommended?
FRC: I recommended you to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge in SF as the God will take you.
Me: hmmm...
FRC: Oh wait, let me to send Tony Perkins and Huckabee to assisting you.
Me: *nervous*

Jiro: Oh.... what is wrong with you?
Me: FRC told me to commit suicide to escape from sin and go to heaven.
Jiro: Oh my... no... that's not real...
Me: Oh really...
Jiro: Let me take you to hospital and I don't want you to die.
Me: Ok.
Jiro: Wait for me and don't listen to FRC.

Aw... thanks to Jiro for save my life.

It is all imagine in my brain. :roll:
 
There is cure for child molesters are bullet in their head.
 
Jiro said:
this was the "counseling" he received for his sexual predator behavior


CFoory8UkAAh7mK.jpg:large


and get this....
Click to expand...

How is he a sexual predator at the age of 14?
I am sorry but at this age one needs to give some allowances for the fact that this is a child to child "crime". I do not believe at this age it needs to go to court or that such a strong label needs to be added to a child, especially one that can mess up his life. Everyone is young and dumb... Should it be swept under a carpet no, should it be ignored, again no. But it was dealt with in the family as a family matter. I see nothing wrong with the counseling he received. If the parents want to go a religious route to show the error of his way, that is their prerogative. So long as all parties are given help.
Now if you want to cover adult child molesters, I would be right with you with some tar and feathers.... But not a 14 year old boy and not for just touching....
 
Jezie said:
How is he a sexual predator at the age of 14?
I am sorry but at this age one needs to give some allowances for the fact that this is a child to child "crime". I do not believe at this age it needs to go to court or that such a strong label needs to be added to a child, especially one that can mess up his life. Everyone is young and dumb... Should it be swept under a carpet no, should it be ignored, again no. But it was dealt with in the family as a family matter. I see nothing wrong with the counseling he received. If the parents want to go a religious route to show the error of his way, that is their prerogative.
Click to expand...
it was not properly and legally handled.

Jezie said:
So long as all parties are given help.
Click to expand...
did they?

Jezie said:
Now if you want to cover adult child molesters, I would be right with you with some tar and feathers.... But not a 14 year old boy and not for just touching....
Click to expand...
what I'm deeply disturbed was how this matter was handled. the church and families did not notify the authorities. the boy did not receive a professional and qualified counseling service. the boy had a "talk" with a pervert police officer who did not notify police department as required. Josh - a grown-up kept it all hidden under the rug when running FRC.

he would not be covered with tar and feathers when reported to the authorities. they would help him receive a professional and certified counseling service. I believe he may have preyed on helpless woman during his adult life as his behavior was left untouched.
 
This happened 2 years before starting of filming the show which the whole family made themselves out to be so righteous. Yet they obviously did not declare the events to the T.V. Producers and obviously lied and suppressed important information.
Actions speak louder than words.
 
Jiro said:
it was not properly and legally handled.


did they?


what I'm deeply disturbed was how this matter was handled. the church and families did not notify the authorities. the boy did not receive a professional and qualified counseling service. the boy had a "talk" with a pervert police officer who did not notify police department as required. Josh - a grown-up kept it all hidden under the rug when running FRC.

he would not be covered with tar and feathers when reported to the authorities. they would help him receive a professional and certified counseling service. I believe he may have preyed on helpless woman during his adult life as his behavior was left untouched.
Click to expand...

All parties were in the same family, this is a family matter that the authorities did not need to be involved with. The girls even stated they felt safe in their home. Why involve more people who will blow everything up and over react? Why put it out there where society will tear into ever aspect of their lives. They were all children. If this concept is past you then there is nothing more that can be said.
You say the authorities would help....what day and age do they do anything but cause more issues? They would have come in arrested the boy, taken the kids from the parents, the parents could have been charged, the parents would of had to fight for their kids back, the boy would of went to juvie, ect... their lives would have been up rooted and tossed. One could call it a modern day tar and feathering...
 
I don't know what the legal requirements are for this kind of case in that jurisdiction. I know that normally parents aren't mandatory reporters but clergy, teachers, law enforcement, social workers, counselors, health care providers and child care providers are.

We don't know how effective the counseling was for Duggar or the victims.

Usually, the identities of victims are not revealed.

Christians caught in a sexual sin can repent and be forgiven by God and those who were hurt. However, they don't escape the consequences of their sin, which could include legal, physical and societal penalties. Most importantly, even after repentance, proof of change, and a period of time, that person should never again be allowed a role of spiritual leadership. This is to prevent temptation situations, and to prevent any negative effect on the Christian organization, whether it be a church, a school, a camp, a counseling service, etc. That means, as examples, no position as pastor, Sunday school teacher, youth leader, counselor, deacon or para-church organization executive. It's not further punishment; it's pro-active protection.

In this case, even if counseling was completely effective for Duggar and his victims, and there were no legal restrictions, he shouldn't have taken the FRC position. Why? Because of exactly what is happening now. What he did tarnished the reputations of everyone involved, including the FRC. If the FRC knew about his past they should have not offered him the position. Did they know? :dunno:

But Duggar knew, so he shouldn't have even applied for the job.

It probably would have been wiser for the Duggar family to have avoided the reality TV route, too. I don't know the timeline relative to their program airing and when they found out about the abuse. But as soon as they knew, a TV show should have been out of the question.

IMO
 
Reba. Money, profit, and personal gain always supersede faith "morals" and righteousness. Has been proven by religions and their followers countless times. This is just another example in a very long list.
 
soutthpaw said:
Reba. Money, profit, and personal gain always supersede faith "morals" and righteousness. Has been proven by religions and their followers countless times. This is just another example in a very long list.
Click to expand...
I would not say "always."
 
All parties were in the same family, this is a family matter that the authorities did not need to be involved with.
Click to expand...

Not all of them.. there was at least one victim who was NOT a member of their family.
 
For me, originally, I don't pay attention to Josh Duggar and I know that he's anti-gay activist, but it wasn't my concern at first place and I had to focus on other tasks, especially school. I know about there is true: You cannot change anyone's mind about structure on gay rights and it is not worth to fight if they are not politicians, but all of them are lobbyist, including Josh Duggar.

FRC, AFA and anti-gay organizations claimed that homosexuality and pedophilia are connected (or related) but it is extremely strong statement is damaging the gay communities if people have no idea about LGBT and decide to believe this statement, also it hurt religious communities as well because many people left Christianity (especially mainline) to become nothing, atheist or agnostic. Mainline religious groups have been around since US was born in 1776 and it was important principle that influence on our society, such as establish the school to educate the children, assisting homeless people, children with no parents and it was great place to socialize. My parents met in church before marriage in 1985 but they stopped attending the church in 1987 and my father left Christianity in 1995 to become an atheist because he told me that many evangelicals abused the Christianity (make them less value and importance) so he lost all respect. He started to support gay marriage after his retirement from military in 1993 and some of his friends were gay/bisexual, it was before DADT kicks in December 1993 and homosexuality was illegal in military, but many of them lied on application and kept closeted until end of military career, especially retirement.

I don't find Josh Duggar's case is funny and I don't celebrate to getting him fired from job and publicize him on news - that's not laugh but unfortunately, most pro-gay rights supporters celebrated to have his life ruined due to FRC structure on homosexuality - they compare homosexuality to pedophilia. Now, Josh Duggar admitted that he molested 5-12 years old girls in 2002 when he was 14 years old, also he's straight so that is major reason for FRC's statement that compare homosexuality to pedophilia to be senseless, worthless and pointless so FRC lost credibility and damaged their organization so they have very little chance or no chance to win the argument. Sure, you want to blame on progressives but blame has nowhere to go because it is FRC's issue, not progressive's issue.

The progressive isn't necessarily bad or negative - they advocate to support rights for American with disabilities by reforming the society about how our government and businesses treat American with disabilities. I agree with progressive about disability rights and gay/lesbian rights.
 
Foxrac, he didn't rape anyone.

He also didn't receive counseling. He did not go through any Christian program. Jim Bob mentioned the one that is run by IBLP/Gothard, but Josh did not go there. In the police report Michelle says he was sent to a family friend who had some sort of construction company and he was sent there to live and work for several months with I guess the guy providing guidance. So Josh didn't even receive so called "Christian counseling" where people with no education in counseling attempt to counsel using Biblical principles.

The victims were not mentioned by name. However, the summaries have enough information that anyone who read them can figure out who was there. Four of the five lived with the Duggars and all were minors, which obviously means the girls. The one who was getting a GED at the time of the interview had to be Jana, who was 16 when she was interviewed. That girl said she wasn't touched. That leaves the other four girls who were alive at the time. The other girls were born after the interview. One girl said she doesn't remember being touched. That girl also described her genitals as "pee pee holder" which means she was a very young girl. All the other girls used "privates" to describe their genitals, and by the use of the language you know that the girl is Joy-Anna. Also being as young as she was it makes sense she doesn't remember what happened, and only knows what happened because the others saw it happen.

I can understand how it happened that Josh did this. Don't confuse my understanding with condoning. He was more than old enough to know that it was wrong. However, he was probably incredibly horny. He was not taught any appropriate sexual outlets, and instead was taught that people can do nothing until marriage. They are taught that they can't even **********. He had no real friends, and only hung around with his younger siblings. There was no way to learn appropriate outlets of sexuality from his peers. Being homeschooled the way he was, there were no outside adults he could go to to talk about how he felt. For that matter, the girls had no outside adults either to go to when the abuse kept on happening. Their religion teaches them that anytime a man or boy becomes aroused around women, it is the fault of the woman, not the man. So Josh getting horny when his sisters around would put the blame on his sisters. He also wasn't given or allowed any objects of lust, like being able to watch movies or read books that had (age appropriate) sexual encounters or hell, even a Victoria's secret catalogue.

So again, I do not in any way excuse Josh from his actions. I can understand the events that led up to him acting the way he did. I'm furious with his parents for not handling it appropriately. They should have taken him to a real, educated counselor. They should have alerted the authorities when it happened. They should not have allowed their daughters to become repeat victims. They should not have allowed their daughters to be counseled that they are the ones at fault for the abuse, because they dressed immodestly or some other bull**** reason like that. They should not belong to a religion that counsels their daughters that way and created the conditions that led to their son doing what he did but that's what they get for being in a cult.
 
Eater of Worlds said:
So again, I do not in any way excuse Josh from his actions. I can understand the events that led up to him acting the way he did. I'm furious with his parents for not handling it appropriately. They should have taken him to a real, educated counselor. They should have alerted the authorities when it happened. They should not have allowed their daughters to become repeat victims. They should not have allowed their daughters to be counseled that they are the ones at fault for the abuse, because they dressed immodestly or some other bull**** reason like that. They should not belong to a religion that counsels their daughters that way and created the conditions that led to their son doing what he did but that's what they get for being in a cult.
Click to expand...


Just a question ... since his family's intervention, and since his counseling (you have asserted it was fake counseling), has Josh Duggar sexually assaulted anyone? And where have Duggar's parents found fault with the victims?

:hmm:

Apparently, the liberals are having acid flashbacks or something, because you guys see things the rest of the sane world does not see.
 
Jezie said:
I missed this some where...please refresh memory.
Click to expand...
Most articles etc I've been seeing says that 4 of the 5 were his sisters or at least 'some of the 5 were his sisters'. In this article it says

Josh Duggar, the oldest son of “19 Kids and Counting” Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar, allegedly sexually assaulted four of his underage sisters plus an additional underage female victim. - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...aulted-underage-sisters/#sthash.wekQAK1s.dpuf
Click to expand...

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...h-duggar-sexually-assaulted-underage-sisters/

the redacted police report
http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#0

if you look on page 18, it mentions that one of the victims was a babysitter.
 
Back
Top