i asked this elsewhere..

Daredevel7 said:
Thank you for the link.

Good thing I had that shot to prevent bacterial meningitis. It's a shame they didn't find this out earlier.

I want to say more, but AD has a strange hold on me to not talk about CIs in a positive way. Some hearing people do it enough for everyone else. I think that's why most people get upset when this type of talk creeps into AD because it's kinda like "I hear it enough from everyone else, now I can't rant to my fellow peeps without being interrupted?!"

I often feel ambivalent about what to post here on AD. On one hand, I want to express myself, defend my choices and my thinking. I want to utilize my freedom of speech. But, on the other hand, others have heard the same old story many times and just want to get away from it all and want to have THEIR own freedom of speech without being attacked all the time. Yet, back on the original hand, I don't want people to assume that I am on someone's side just because I haven't said anything. (i.e. "Daredevel had a CI and she never said anything to defend CIs, therefore she didn't like the CI!") Sigh.....

Sorry, went off tangent there. Just been thinking about that for a while.
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I never thought of that. Never will either.

When one comes in and tries to be dismissive of reality that is what I have a problem with. Even when research backs it.

I have totally no problem with adults getting CI's.
 
Jiro said:
no way. ain't nobody silencing you! There are already dozens of threads about deafies getting activated, new HA, etc. and being happy with it.

you just recently had CI implantation. the fact still remains that you made a decision for yourself - regardless of reason for having it but I believe we mainly have a problem with parents implanting their infants/little kids and then just hope for the best.
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That is because they are talking about themselves. How the hell are you going to tell them "No, the CI was a mistake for you, despite what you say!"

What if I said something like, "I didn't want a CI before, but now that I've had it, I wish I was implanted at a very young age. I would have adjusted to it much faster with much more use. I've seen other people who were implanted young adjusting to it WAY better than I ever could have. That's why I'd implant my child if s/he was deaf."

Admit it, that would not go well.

Edit: Even if I taught the child ASL, which I plan to do.
 
Daredevel7 said:
That is because they are talking about themselves. How the hell are you going to tell them "No, the CI was a mistake for you, despite what you say!"

What if I said something like, "I didn't want a CI before, but now that I've had it, I wish I was implanted at a very young age. I would have adjusted to it much faster with much more use. I've seen other people who were implanted young adjusting to it WAY better than I ever could have. That's why I'd implant my child if s/he was deaf."

Admit it, that would not go well.
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Not at all.
 
*shrugs* I've seen more than enough. Especially this past weekend with more CI users that are young. They were relieved to be able to leave their CI's at home.
 
posts from hell said:
*shrugs* I've seen more than enough. Especially this past weekend with more CI users that are young. They were relieved to be able to leave their CI's at home.
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....? I don't get it?

This past weekend, I didn't wear my CI for two days. It was a nice break. Sometimes I DO welcome the silence.

Doesn't really mean anything to me....
 
Daredevel7 said:
That is because they are talking about themselves. How the hell are you going to tell them "No, the CI was a mistake for you, despite what you say!"

What if I said something like, "I didn't want a CI before, but now that I've had it, I wish I was implanted at a very young age. I would have adjusted to it much faster with much more use. I've seen other people who were implanted young adjusting to it WAY better than I ever could have. That's why I'd implant my child if s/he was deaf."

Admit it, that would not go well.
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that is rather tricky and I can see how that can generate some controversy but on the bigger picture.... I have no problem with grown-up deafies saying "CI is great!" since they made a decision for themselves to get implanted but I have a huge colossal giant problem with parents saying "CI IS GREAT!!!"... speaking for their kids as if it's a miracle and not bothering with ASL and treating them like they're normal hearing children who got cured :ugh:

For that kind of parents - I get the image of Sarah Palin parading around her newborn nephew with Down Syndrome and autism (I think).... and she doesn't even know what it will entail once he gets older.
 
That's how I introduce hubby at a social. This is hubby, he's hearing. That way no one expects him to understand any sign language. He only knows a little.
 
posts from hell said:
They wore it for their family.
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To me, that implies that they were using their CI in an exhausting way with their family.

To me, that's the wrong way to go with a CI.

To me, CI is a supplement, a luxury. Not an actual tool to DEPEND on for primary communication. If you can use it, great! If not, so what?, use ASL (or whatever communication method you prefer).

Like I said, fix the reality of a CI.
 
Daredevel7 said:
To me, that implies that they were using their CI in an exhausting way with their family.

To me, that's the wrong way to go with a CI.

To me, CI is a supplement, a luxury. Not an actual tool to DEPEND on for primary communication. If you can use it, great! If not, so what?, use ASL (or whatever communication method you prefer).

Like I said, fix the reality of a CI.
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exactly. a large bunch of these kids are like that. Would you have been the same way now if you got it when you were a kid?

There's a ton of members that couldnt function if their CI broke these days and you know who they are... But that's ok because their parents decided so.
 
Daredevel7 said:
To me, that implies that they were using their CI in an exhausting way with their family.

To me, that's the wrong way to go with a CI.

To me, CI is a supplement, a luxury. Not an actual tool to DEPEND on for primary communication. If you can use it, great! If not, so what?, use ASL (or whatever communication method you prefer).

Like I said, fix the reality of a CI.
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you've said it quite succinctly!
 
Daredevel7 said:
To me, that implies that they were using their CI in an exhausting way with their family.

To me, that's the wrong way to go with a CI.

To me, CI is a supplement, a luxury. Not an actual tool to DEPEND on for primary communication. If you can use it, great! If not, so what?, use ASL (or whatever communication method you prefer).

Like I said, fix the reality of a CI.
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I suspect that these people PFH met were implanted as children when they had no say in the decision to get one or not.
 
posts from hell said:
exactly. a large bunch of these kids are like that. Would you have been the same way now if you got it when you were a kid?

There's a ton of members that couldnt function if their CI broke these days and you know who they are... But that's ok because their parents decided so.
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To answer your question, most likely yes. Except I wouldn't be going to CI therapy now.

Like I said, I don't view CI as something to DEPEND on. If they couldn't function without a CI, there's something very wrong.

Even as an adult, I don't think you should get a CI if you think "it will help you get a job". That's still DEPENDING on it.

You'd be surprised how many deaf people my age here asked me if they got a CI, would it help them get a job?

Seriously, WTF is that?

It ALL comes back to the ridiculously high expectations of a CI.
 
Daredevel7 said:
To answer your question, most likely yes. Except I wouldn't be going to CI therapy now.

Like I said, I don't view CI as something to DEPEND on. If they couldn't function without a CI, there's something very wrong.

Even as an adult, I don't think you should get a CI if you think "it will help you get a job". That's still DEPENDING on it.

You'd be surprised how many deaf people my age here asked me if they got a CI, would it help them get a job?

Seriously, WTF is that?

It ALL comes back to the ridiculously high expectations of a CI.
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Yes, I agree and many of our students come to our program from programs that view deafness from a medical perspective with that belief. That because they have a CI, they will have a better life as adults regarding getting jobs and all that.

Gonna be honest here, some of the parents of chidlren with CIs have stated that as their reason for implanting their children. "I want my child to have more opportunities in finding jobs." :hmm:
 
shel90 said:
Yes, I agree and many of our students come to our program from programs that view deafness from a medical perspective with that belief. That because they have a CI, they will have a better life as adults regarding getting jobs and all that.

Gonna be honest here, some of the parents of chidlren with CIs have stated that as their reason for implanting their children. "I want my child to have more opportunities in finding jobs." :hmm:
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25-35 years later... they'll be here.
 
Daredevel7 said:
To answer your question, most likely yes. Except I wouldn't be going to CI therapy now.

Like I said, I don't view CI as something to DEPEND on. If they couldn't function without a CI, there's something very wrong.

Even as an adult, I don't think you should get a CI if you think "it will help you get a job". That's still DEPENDING on it.

You'd be surprised how many deaf people my age here asked me if they got a CI, would it help them get a job?

Seriously, WTF is that?

It ALL comes back to the ridiculously high expectations of a CI.
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You and me agree on this post completely. However the problem is that at least 75% of the reasoning behind that is also related to being very dependent on the CI itself. That's what I am not for.
 
ASL or ASL/HA - no deaths at all.
CI or CI/ASL - few deaths due to meningitis.

No brainer!



CI in babies/kids is not all about the deaf babies/kids. It is all about the parents (hearing or in rare cases - deaf).
 
Question for everyone. Would it change anything if the CI surgery had no deaths, no infections, NOTHING at all? Perfect record. You'd be okay with it for little kids?
 
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