i asked this elsewhere..

Ocean - Why are you bringing up "issues"? Why don't we stick to the topic?

Just a suggestion.
 
deafdyke said:
B/c (sacasm) We ALL know that the CI is going to be THE thing that will magically equalize deaf kids! (/sarcasm) I do think that parents should keep implantation on the table as an option, for later on. I mean it's not a GOTTA have.....But, it's also possible that the kid may have a progressive loss or may have auditory nereopathy (which doesn't respond to hearing aids...but then again, AN kids tend to be identifyed early on) or may have low speech perception even with HA. And the thing is.......unless you're talking about a deep profound loss, a kid will do well. Until recently it wasn't that unusal for even kids with severe losses not to get aided until we were THREE (when they could perform play audiotremy) and we developed speech.
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I know. But, the Mother already stated that implantation was off the table as far as she was concerned, so that makes the subject moot in this thread. All I was suggesting was why continue discussing it when THE MOM already said "No thanks"? Seemed kind of silly to me. If someone brings it up as a focal point, it would be easy to just ignore that person. However, people jump on it like a dog with a bone and derail threads; some of which could be very informative to a parent looking for sound advice for their child.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I know. But, the Mother already stated that implantation was off the table as far as she was concerned, so that makes the subject moot in this thread. All I was suggesting was why continue discussing it when THE MOM already said "No thanks"? Seemed kind of silly to me. If someone brings it up as a focal point, it would be easy to just ignore that person. However, people jump on it like a dog with a bone and derail threads; some of which could be very informative to a parent looking for sound advice for their child.
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ok thanks.


moving on.
 
Jiro said:
that is where I can agree to disagree with others on that part. I have no problem with it especially with Grendel and FJ since they're already doing ASL and BiBi approach.


and that is precisely where I cannot agree to disagree only if parents opt for CI and not even consider ASL route. This is where I have a bit of problem with CSign on this part. SEE ≠ ASL
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CSign can correct me, but, I believe she IS using ASL with her son; even though she started out with SEE. So, in effect, same principle... yes?
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I know. But, the Mother already stated that implantation was off the table as far as she was concerned, so that makes the subject moot in this thread. All I was suggesting was why continue discussing it when THE MOM already said "No thanks"? Seemed kind of silly to me. If someone brings it up as a focal point, it would be easy to just ignore that person. However, people jump on it like a dog with a bone and derail threads; some of which could be very informative to a parent looking for sound advice for their child.
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Oceanbreeze said:
CSign can correct me, but, I believe she IS using ASL with her son; even though she started out with SEE. So, in effect, same principle... yes?
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You can correct me, but, I believe you WERE telling people not to derail threads. So, in effect, same principle should apply to everyone, yes?

Just doing this to point out what you were doing. Can't have it both ways.

If you feel the need to report my post, feel free to do it here. Just making it easier for you.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
CSign can correct me, but, I believe she IS using ASL with her son; even though she started out with SEE. So, in effect, same principle... yes?
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We did start with SEE, using the "full tool box approach" as many like to call it. Sign, voice, fingerspelling, etc. In order to provide him with auditory input as well as a visual input so that the language was clear.

We are starting to use ASL, that is work in progress.

I would say that yes, it is the same principle because we are giving him visual access to the spoken language and communication surrounding him.
 
Jiro said:
that is where I can agree to disagree with others on that part. I have no problem with it especially with Grendel and FJ since they're already doing ASL and BiBi approach.


and that is precisely where I cannot agree to disagree only if parents opt for CI and not even consider ASL route. This is where I have a bit of problem with CSign on this part. SEE ≠ ASL
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We did consider ASL as it was already a part of the master plan. Just to clarify for you since you seem to be confused as I've addressed this point multiple times on this forum. I never said, or believed that SEE = ASL.
 
CSign said:
We did consider ASL as it was already a part of the master plan. Just to clarify for you since you seem to be confused as I've addressed this point multiple times on this forum. I never said, or believed that SEE = ASL.
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End the confusion and solve this: See = English.
True or false?
 
Beowulf said:
End the confusion and solve this: See = English.
True or false?
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True: SEE is a mode of English.

I know how you all feel, so no need to jump on this again. I answered your question though.
 
shel90 said:
I never really was strongly against implantation in little children. I am more of "I prefer that they dont get implanted at such a young age, but not my business as these are not my children." The reason for this is because it is a battle I chose not to fight since it is already being done. So, no..it wouldnt make a difference for me. I am just uncomfortable with the idea of needing sugery for something that is not life-threatening and the CI surgery is that.

However, it is the view that comes with the CI that I am against...like you mentioned before about how people see the CI as a way to make deaf children more like hearing kids who dont need ASL, Deaf culture, or the Deaf community.
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What makes me uncomfortable is their total dependence on the CI and their inability to function well without them such as in instances when the CI is not working. They really don't handle it well because hearing is so paramount to them that they panic when they don't have access to it. And the truth is, not that many parents are making an effort to include ASL or even acknowledge that their kids ARE deaf, not hearing. I've actually had parents of CI kids tell me their kids are not deaf, but hearing unlike me. It's truly sad and disturbing.
 
That is what makes us all uncomfortable, DeafCaroline. The child is made even more dependent upon a device that with HAs and is not given the skills necessary to be independent should the CI malfunction or should they at some point in time, need to be explanted.
 
jillio said:
That is what makes us all uncomfortable, DeafCaroline. The child is made even more dependent upon a device that with HAs and is not given the skills necessary to be independent should the CI malfunction or should they at some point in time, need to be explanted.
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You forgot another really good reason. Hoh (including functionally hoh, like those with severe/profound losses who are aided both with HA AND CIs) function best in hearing and talking, in a one on one "perfect listening" sitution. Crowds and non one on one situtions are the kiss of death for a hoh kid. I love (sarcasm) how methodolgies like auditory verbal argue that speaking and hearing= FREEDOM. Yeah, well kids who only have oral skills can only function with hearing aids and CIs and are fucked beyond perfect listening situtions.
 
deafdyke said:
You forgot another really good reason. Hoh (including functionally hoh, like those with severe/profound losses who are aided both with HA AND CIs) function best in hearing and talking, in a one on one "perfect listening" sitution. Crowds and non one on one situtions are the kiss of death for a hoh kid. I love (sarcasm) how methodolgies like auditory verbal argue that speaking and hearing= FREEDOM. Yeah, well kids who only have oral skills can only function with hearing aids and CIs and are fucked beyond perfect listening situtions.
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Thanks for adding that.:ty:
 
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