Good news? (Abortions)

Men who are against abortions aren't "telling women what to do." They are speaking up for those who can't speak for themselves--the innocent babies.

Not necessairly. The men want the "ball & chain" tied to the woman....
 
Pro-choice here.

This may be a bit dark reasoning, but our world can't support so many people. Well, unless people colonize other worlds. ;)

We also eat chicken embryos - eggs laid by chickens.

Definition of life is defined by beliefs.
 
Pro-choice here.

This may be a bit dark reasoning, but our world can't support so many people. Well, unless people colonize other worlds. ;)

We also eat chicken embryos - eggs laid by chickens.

Definition of life is defined by beliefs.

The world is not overpopulated. Greed and politics
have caused distribution problems and overcrowding
in areas.
Our world can support so many people! read the following:

Malthus was wrong- he failed to anticipate the tremendous advances in agrculture.

The planet is nowhere near its carrying capacity for humans (which is upwards of 50 billion). We do feel like there's overpopulation because certain regions have exceeded their carrying capacity.
 
The world is not overpopulated. Greed and politics
have caused distribution problems and overcrowding
in areas.

Agree! The population have been booming since the politics had became more enforced which was in 1950's. Before the 1950's, the population was very slowly growing.

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www.sv.vt.edu/.../stat/3D_tutor/world_pop.html
 
Banjo, yes it's killing, but its more.......a nessary evil. Sure it's horrible that abortion has to exist, but illegalizing it, is just going to drive it underground and make it very unsafe.
Don't like abortion? Good. Support good birth control, the morning after pill etc.
Also, abortion isn't always about "killing" a baby. Sometimes the baby might have profound birth defects(ie have a medical condtion that would put them in a persistant vegetative state) or have died in utereo.

I am all for keeping abortion legal but I could not go through the abortion myself.
 
:ty: :)



And that's why I see abortion just the same as mother killing children. As since I would never agree with mother's right to kill the children, so of course no, because if she can't handle with the children then she can send the children for the adoption or something else.. Killing is not the only thing to solve the proble, and it is the worst solution, JMO.



Ohh please... Those people thinking humans as worthless which means they are considering themselves as worthless too. I would never think that way about the humans :roll:.... And you don't have to proves the links to me about the "anti-humans" communities, I know there are people who hate the humans too..

No, the first ph that I was talking to you and after I mentioned "anyway", I did not talk to you only but to thread here. Sorry for confusion ^_^
 

No, the first ph that I was talking to you and after I mentioned "anyway", I did not talk to you only but to thread here. Sorry for confusion ^_^

Ohh that's allright, but at least I am glad to post something :)
 
The world is not overpopulated. Greed and politics
have caused distribution problems and overcrowding
in areas.
Our world can support so many people! read the following:

Malthus was wrong- he failed to anticipate the tremendous advances in agrculture.

The planet is nowhere near its carrying capacity for humans (which is upwards of 50 billion). We do feel like there's overpopulation because certain regions have exceeded their carrying capacity.

Actually, you are right. Overpopulation is not the problem right now. It might be in a hundred years or later. But that's not what's causing the famine here right now in many countries. It's what you said, the greed and politics.

Just look at Africa. What a hell zone.

Nelson Mandela... (shudders)... he ain't a saint, I tell you. There is a reason why he was in jail. He was a terrorist. He is not the man the mainstream media has portrayed him to be. South Africa is now in even worse shape after his presidency.

There are too many dictators with an iron fist across African and Asian nations. They cause famine and poverty. North Korea is a good example. They will only feed you if you join their cause.

(sigh)

It seems like a never-ending battle.
 
About overcrowding, I think animals have something different to say about this.
lol

I do believe that there is too many people on Earth.
 
Not necessarily. The men want the "ball & chain" tied to the woman....

Funnily enough, you are a man defending the so-called women's rights. Yet several women here don't agree with you. They are in fact, defending the unborn babies' rights to live.

Like I said, life does begin at conception. The woman gives life to it. Once you take the baby out before its time, you are taking away its life that you gave to in the first place.

It's a known fact that you do not like children.


So I can understand why you would easily defend the concept of abortion.

If a man don't want to impregnate a woman, he should get himself fixed or just abstain from having sex. Otherwise, he's just being an irresponsible fella. Just as irresponsible the woman would be. Both parties are at fault. They should grow up and become more responsible if a pregnancy occurs. Either take care of it or give it up for adoption.

Most women I personally know are against abortions. Most of the people I know who are pro-choice are in fact, men for obvious reasons... so they don't have to pay child support.
 
About overcrowding, I think animals have something different to say about this.
lol

I do believe that there is too many people on Earth.

Well, there are far more chickens than there are people on Earth.

The problem you are referring to would be the urban sprawl and industrialization resulting in bulldozing the forests destroying many homes for animals.
 
Pro-choice here.

This may be a bit dark reasoning, but our world can't support so many people. Well, unless people colonize other worlds. ;)

We also eat chicken embryos - eggs laid by chickens.
Definition of life is defined by beliefs.

We don't eat chicken embryos. As least I don't! We eat unfertilized eggs. If you go to the chicken plants where they collect eggs for us to eat. You won't find roosters in those buildings. They aren't there for a reason!
 
We don't eat chicken embryos. As least I don't! We eat unfertilized eggs. If you go to the chicken plants where they collect eggs for us to eat. You won't find roosters in those buildings. They aren't there for a reason!

Yupp exactly, that's why I don't see any wrong about eating the eggs.
 
About overcrowding, I think animals have something different to say about this.
lol

I do believe that there is too many people on Earth.

That belief is an urban myth told to us by people who desire to
control and manipulate us. Read the following to gain perspective
on just what having 6 billion people here on this planet means.

How much land does it take to hold 6 billion people? To give you an idea, consider the small nation of Japan. It has about 143,000 square miles of area. One square mile has 5280 * 5280 = 27.9 million square feet. Japan has a total of about 4 trillion square feet, enough to give each person of the earth 670 square feet. If we housed people in families of four in simple two-level buildings (8 people per building, one family of four per level), each building could be on a lot of over 5300 square feet. (Of course, I've ignored that fact that many parts of Japan would be unsuitable for dwelling places, and I've neglected the land needed for roads, parks, schools, etc.) In a land area as small as Japan, the entire population of the earth could be housed on lots of 5300 square feet, with 8 people per lot. That's smaller than the typical American lot of about 8000 square feet, but it's not unbearably small.If we insisted on American standards, with only 4 people per lot of at least 8,000 square feet, then Gale Lyle Pooley shows that an area the size of Texas plus Nevada would be adequate (op. cit., p. 93). That would make those two states less attractive, perhaps, but it would leave the rest of the world for food production, animal reserves, nature movies, Woodstock festivals, or whatever. In terms of the real resources of this planet, we are not overpopulated.
 
Some religions consider the morning after pill is just an another way of getting an abortion... even though the person conceives a child it just helps to keep the embryo from implanting into the uterus instead it helps a woman to shed it all out (menstruate). Even though the conception process has already happened...

Just saying some people believe life starts at conception.

so the question is the morning after pill is another form of abortion??? something to ponder.

No, the morning after pill is not another form of abortion, IMO. Conception has not actually occurred until implantation. All the morning after pill does is prevent implantation. Just like birthcontrol prevents ovulation.
 
No, the morning after pill is not another form of abortion, IMO. Conception has not actually occurred until implantation. All the morning after pill does is prevent implantation. Just like birthcontrol prevents ovulation.

From Lori Ramsey, the fertility lady
I believe that conception happens the minute the sperm and egg combine. This happens within 24 hours after ovulation occurs. The body will not know it’s pregnant until the fertilized egg implants into the uterine wall, some 5 to 12 days after ovulation. Before implantation, there is nothing going on inside the body to detect pregnancy. When the fertilized egg implants, it starts sending signals to the corpus luteum to continue producing progesterone. It’s during this that minute levels of hCG – the pregnancy hormone - are released.

from me
(When the egg and sperm unite the cell now gains the DNA of both
parents and begins to divide and grow, BEFORE implantation. This blastocyst
will turn into an embryo, then to a fetus but these are only names we
have given to it at certain points of development. Implantation occurs
AFTER fertilization, but development has already begun and can proced for
several days before implantation.
 
I totally agree..................part of the problem is unhealthy attitudes about sex. We have girls thinking that if they don't have sex, boys won't like them.
We have boys thinking that to have sex is to be a big man.
We need healthy attitudes about sex! We need to train kids about what healthy relationships actually ARE! Get rid of the "oh sex is power" mentality, and instead introduce the fact that maybe JUST maybe sex should be something sacred, and not to be misused. Our society is obessed with sex, but the problem is that we've lost sight of the fact that it should be a special sacred thing.

Other couples choose the have the child anyway despite severe deformites, such as my pastor who chose this route. Despite his oldest daughters many handicaps, she is still able to understand certain simple concepts. She is 8 (possibly 9 by now) and has the mentality of a 1 year old child.
That's high functioning for someone with severe deformaties. What I mean by severe birth defects, are conditions where the baby is either born dead or is alive but is so profoundly effected, they are in a persistant vegetaive state. (and there ARE some cases like that)
 
I totally agree..................part of the problem is unhealthy attitudes about sex. We have girls thinking that if they don't have sex, boys won't like them. We have boys thinking that to have sex is to be a big man. We need healthy attitudes about sex! We need to train kids about what healthy relationships actually ARE! Get rid of the "oh sex is power" mentality, and instead introduce the fact that maybe JUST maybe sex should be something sacred, and not to be misused. Our society is obessed with sex, but the problem is that we've lost sight of the fact that it should be a special sacred thing.

Exactly, too many people get the wrong idea about sex. I hate how people act as if they would self-implode if they did not have sex by a certain age. Especially in high school, I think we all know what it was like.
 
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