Good news? (Abortions)

[doh]

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If that was the case, most people from Australia wouldn't be alive today since they are descendant of people that has been convicted guilty of crimes by Britain. Are you willing to say that there are low amount of good people in Australia? Based on your statement, it sounds that way.

Why do you think Britain shipped them to Australia? To remove them from their own gene pool!

I'm not saying there are "low amounts of good people in Australia" at all, just providing justification for terminating pregnancy from a rapist. Don't read too much into stuff.

Oh and Angel I'm not a boy.

 

[Reba]

You know.....why are guys involved in this decision of allowing a woman to abort or not?

First of all....it's NOT your body.

Second of all.. it's a women's issue and I am believe that women should have the right to decide for themselves if they want to have an abortion or not. How would you like a member of the opposite sex telling you to have a vasectomy when you don't want one?

If a woman is raped, she has the right to have an abortion, keep it, or give it up for adoption.

Men who go around telling women to keep a baby because they were raped ought to be :rl:

I'm a woman, and I agree with Banjo.

 

[Secretblend]

Why do you think Britain shipped them to Australia? To remove them from their own gene pool!

For same reason that we send our criminals to jail! Nothing more, nothing less. Australia was used as jail by British.

 

[Reba]

Men who are against abortions aren't "telling women what to do." They are speaking up for those who can't speak for themselves--the innocent babies.

 

[Angel]

Oh and Angel I'm not a boy.

Opps, I'm sorry. :Oops:

 

[Angel]

Men who are against abortions aren't "telling women what to do." They are speaking up for those who can't speak for themselves--the innocent babies.

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[PowerON]

I've been against Abortion ever since I learned what it causes. Look at me, I'm 21 and I have a two year old son who's amazing and I love him with all my heart. He's the best thing ever happened to me.

I'm only for Abortion for two things:

~ Been Raped (Who would want a child that has been concevied by rape? I know I wouldn't be able to stand looking at the child and remember being raped)

~ Child putting mother's health at risk

That's all I'm for it, but for other reasons: You need to take responsbilty for it. You can either put it up for adoption which there are tons of people out there that wants a child or you can just keep the child that is if you can afford it and love the child.

That's what I thought when I concern how women feel when she realize child become adult with face that show the evil that may trigger the mother's memory from the terrible incident of day. So, that's only thing abortion is good reasonable.

 

[Chase]

The argument that males can have no opinion about abortion is one of the more foolish stands on this slippery slope. Good use of the term for an argument doomed to deteriorate, Deafdyke.

It's an old saw asserted by feminist organizations, most of which quickly reversed their stand when it was pointed out such an assertion undermines laws assigning males financial responsibility for paternaty.

The argument that rape (or the claim of it) should be grounds for abortion
has its own slippery downside because it opens doors to allow abortions if a father is accused of any crime.

If sparing the mother's feelings is added to the reasoning, then what about abortion for less-than-friendly breakups? How about, "We just grew apart"?

It's sad that some are so positive of when life begins. The solution isn't that we should be able to end life unless it's legally defined as a person. The solution should be that innocent life should be protected even if it is suspected.

 

[Bear]

Well, we, the Men, were born by the females. Plus, we, the Men, are the one who gave the women the sperm cause them pregnanted.

That's why I rather to have BOTH couple, boyfriend/husband and girlfriend/wife discuss about abortion TOGETHER.

But... Rape... well, that's different story...

Well, I wanna start off by saying I have never had an abortion and never will. I neither support or do not support the abortion issue. Im not really sure how I feel about this issue right now.

I do believe abortions are a necessary evil, but yet I also believe abortion is murder. Figure that one out lol.

But Puyo in response to you post, I have a thought. Are you men also gonna have to suffer for the 9 months resulting with back aches, legs hurting and swelling, feeling very uncomfortable overall. Then comes the labor *which let me and any sane woman tell you, is PAINFUL just all in caps and more more so, and then having your body be alien to you after pregnancy? Suddenly none of your old clothes fit, your breasts are leaking, and you seem to be on never ending pms, and you got a colicy baby *lucky both mine were good* that is never endingly crying.

Think about that, before you start saying what you men do please, and how you men earn a share in the right.

 

[Bear]

Ok I have a case for you guys.

This actually did happen.


There was a 10 year old girl that was pregnant due to her father molesting her and raping her. This happened recently. The 10 year olds mother wanted an abortion for her daughter. The father's side of the family was fighting to make sure an abortion didnt happen.


What would be your position on a case like this? Cases like this sadly happens all too often.

Luckily and I think sympathetically, the girl ended up miscarrying.

But think about if she had gone full term. What would her life be like? What that baby be like, being born of its own grandfather? Is an abortion a mercy then or would you still force this little girl to carry and birth that child?

 

[Silentwolfdog]

^ And let's me add to make the matters worse. What if carrying the baby to full term will kill the 10 years old girl?

Should the girl dies for something she did not do when she could have a chance of living her own life?

I dunno. I would think I will just feel worse for condemn the girl to death just because of my own belief.

 

[Chase]

Bear's case proves the point that there will never be a definitive answer. There will always be another hair to split, another "what if?" One court or culture or country would do it this way, while another court or culture or country would choose the opposite.

I think the solution to the problem Wolfdog poses would need to be settled by physicians, as in the case of separating "Siamese" twins when both will die and only one can live. It sounds cold but a team chooses medically which individual has the best chance to survive.

 

[jillio]

There are a few things that we need to keep in mind when discussing when life begins....the first being whether we are taking a spiritual definition or a scientific definition as our base. Yes, an embryo's heart does beat in utero....but that heartbeat is not the heartbeat of an independent life. That heartbeat is entirely dependent upon the mother. If the mother's heart stops beating, the embryo's heart stops beating, because it has not yet become viable. Therefore, it is considered to be the potential for human life, but as yet, is not human life as we define it. That is the whole issue behind viability, and viability is the concept used to determine life from a legal and a medical standpoint.

 

[deafdyke]

Actually the thing is, that most abortions are done early on. The fetus is just a little more then potential for life. At the time most abortions are performed there's still a VERY big possibilty that the baby will be miscarried (chromosome abnormalties which are 100% incompatible with life have been found in fetuses that were aborted)

 

[Babyblue]

Some say life doesn't begin until the first breath is taken.

Now I am pro-choice. But I never have consider or never will consider an abortion but if it puts my health at risk I will. I have my other children that already been living life to think about. If a child becomes pregnant then it should be her choice along with help of a psychiatrist. If a person have been raped it should be her choice. If a person was stupid enough to have an unplanned pregnancy' she SHOULD consider adoption for that child, but still it is her choice. Too many people ending up on welfare with unplanned pregnancy. Costing the tax payers millions.

I do feel that women that has multiple abortions abuses it, and should be ashame of themselves and be fixed so they can't get pregnant.

 

[Reba]

Ok I have a case for you guys.

This actually did happen.


There was a 10 year old girl that was pregnant due to her father molesting her and raping her. This happened recently. The 10 year olds mother wanted an abortion for her daughter. The father's side of the family was fighting to make sure an abortion didnt happen.


What would be your position on a case like this? Cases like this sadly happens all too often.

Luckily and I think sympathetically, the girl ended up miscarrying.

But think about if she had gone full term. What would her life be like? What that baby be like, being born of its own grandfather? Is an abortion a mercy then or would you still force this little girl to carry and birth that child?

1. Even if the girl gave birth to a live baby, that doesn't mean the baby would be raised in the birth family. She could give it up for adoption.

2. If the girl's physical life was in danger, then an abortion could be allowed for medical reasons.

3. How would the girl feel after an abortion that she was coerced into? How would she feel about the people who forced her into an abortion?

4. How often does this kind of circumstance actually happen? How many 10-year-old girls become pregnant by incest? I'm asking because I really don't know. Does anyone here have real numbers to prove this happens often? You say this happens "all too often" so I'm curious how you know the veracity of that.

Just some more to think about.

 

[shel90]

One reason for aborting a baby of rape was not mentioned: Not wanting to deal with the father in the future.

Not sure what current law is where but in some states a rapist could impregnate a woman, spend a few years in jail, then once released demand, and recieve, visiting rights to the child.

So who would want every other weekend to drop their child off at the house of the man who raped them, or have the rapist come to their house to pick the child up? Daddy's here. ( The Real one, ya know, not the one who is doing all the day to day stuff.)

OOOH I have never thought of that. That is a chilling thought.

 

[shel90]

I have mixed feelings about abortions. I feel that every person has the right to make their own decisions regarding their own bodies but at the same time, I understand that abortion is killing babies which makes me feel very uncomfortable. If my daughter who is 10 years old got pregnant by a rape, I would definitely explore all options and if abortion turns out to be the best option, both pychologically and physically for my daughter, I would do it. My daughter's well-being comes first before the unborn baby.

However, if she was an adult and was having irresponsible sex, I wouldnt reccomend abortion but the end result, it is her body and her decision. I will support her in whatever decision she makes even if it is one I dont like. She will be the one who has to live with it.

For myself, unless it is a danger to my health, I wouldnt have an abortion.

I cant tell other people what to do with their bodies but I cant either like it or not. Doesnt mean I will start a protest outside of that person's house.

 

[Babyblue]

1. Even if the girl gave birth to a live baby, that doesn't mean the baby would be raised in the birth family. She could give it up for adoption.

2. If the girl's physical life was in danger, then an abortion could be allowed for medical reasons.

3. How would the girl feel after an abortion that she was coerced into? How would she feel about the people who forced her into an abortion?

4. How often does this kind of circumstance actually happen? How many 10-year-old girls become pregnant by incest? I'm asking because I really don't know. Does anyone here have real numbers to prove this happens often? You say this happens "all too often" so I'm curious how you know the veracity of that.

Just some more to think about.

Ok a ten year old child for starters, Is only a CHILD. For a child to carry a baby at that age not totally understanding what is going on because that child will not have the mental capacity to understand what is going on with her body and let alone that child is pregnant in result of sexual abuse. WHY make THAT child suffer! That child's body is not ready or built to carry or deliver a so call 6-10 pound baby or larger. Let alone that child already endured sexual abuse. Let it go! Why make one child suffer so she can have another child?

And it is not only by incest! It is also by other people sexually abusing a little girl. Uncles, Friends of family, rape, etc....it is not only by incest it could be anyone that is lurking on the little girl.

 

[jillio]

I have mixed feelings about abortions. I feel that every person has the right to make their own decisions regarding their own bodies but at the same time, I understand that abortion is killing babies which makes me feel very uncomfortable. If my daughter who is 10 years old got pregnant by a rape, I would definitely explore all options and if abortion turns out to be the best option, both pychologically and physically for my daughter, I would do it. My daughter's well-being comes first before the unborn baby.

However, if she was an adult and was having irresponsible sex, I wouldnt reccomend abortion but the end result, it is her body and her decision. I will support her in whatever decision she makes even if it is one I dont like. She will be the one who has to live with it.

For myself, unless it is a danger to my health, I wouldnt have an abortion.

I cant tell other people what to do with their bodies but I cant either like it or not. Doesnt mean I will start a protest outside of that person's house.

And that pretty well sums it up. You can't determine for others what their moral decisions should be. That is for them to decide for themselves.