Good news? (Abortions)

[shel90]

Ok a ten year old child for starters, Is only a CHILD. For a child to carry a baby at that age not totally understanding what is going on because that child will not have the mental capacity to understand what is going on with her body and let alone that child is pregnant in result of sexual abuse. WHY make THAT child suffer! That child's body is not ready or built to carry or deliver a so call 6-10 pound baby or larger. Let alone that child already endured sexual abuse. Let it go! Why make one child suffer so she can have another child?

And it is not only by incest! It is also by other people sexually abusing a little girl. Uncles, Friends of family, rape, etc....it is not only by incest it could be anyone that is lurking on the little girl.

I agree...if that was my daughter, abortion would be the first thing to come in my mind even though I am against it.

 

[Hwy99]

Then we need to keep that choice open for the woman.

Well I don't know about that, but really, I don't care if the abortion was legal or illegal, it's just my own opinion, if I have a girl who carrying the baby, and planning to abortion, I would like to talk with her rather than just leave whole the work on her which will make her feel like I don't care about the baby.

Understand?

Plus if you don't like abortion....don't have one.

But don't tell others what they can or can't do.

I never telling others what to do, just asking questions and only post my opinion in my own post without direct to anyone.

Men who are against abortions aren't "telling women what to do." They are speaking up for those who can't speak for themselves--the innocent babies.

Exactly!!

Well, I wanna start off by saying I have never had an abortion and never will. I neither support or do not support the abortion issue. Im not really sure how I feel about this issue right now.

I do believe abortions are a necessary evil, but yet I also believe abortion is murder. Figure that one out lol.

lol agreed...

But Puyo in response to you post, I have a thought. Are you men also gonna have to suffer for the 9 months resulting with back aches, legs hurting and swelling, feeling very uncomfortable overall. Then comes the labor *which let me and any sane woman tell you, is PAINFUL just all in caps and more more so, and then having your body be alien to you after pregnancy? Suddenly none of your old clothes fit, your breasts are leaking, and you seem to be on never ending pms, and you got a colicy baby *lucky both mine were good* that is never endingly crying.

Think about that, before you start saying what you men do please, and how you men earn a share in the right.

No... What I mean about men's involvement with the abortion issue to speak out for the babies, just like Reba said, also the men was the one who supposed to take care of the woman for 9 months during her pregnancy. You are right, men does not experience the same as women, but the men can be handful for women with their pregnancy issue.

If I have a girl who carrying my baby developing in her stomach and she decide to consider about the abortion, I would like to talk with her about it and seek for solution or other options, helping her to understand what's her right choice. That is the men's act to be fatherhood

I'd rather to do those what I just said than just leave all of the works and stress on the woman, it might make her feel like I don't care about the baby, I just don't want the woman feel that way about me and the baby from me in her stomach.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Well I don't know about that, but really, I don't care if the abortion was legal or illegal, it's just my own opinion, if I have a girl who carrying the baby, and planning to abortion, I would like to talk with her rather than just leave whole the work on her which will make her feel like I don't care about the baby.

Understand?



I never telling others what to do, just asking questions and only post my opinion in my own post without direct to anyone.



Exactly!!



lol agreed...



No... What I mean about men's involvement with the abortion issue to speak out for the babies, just like Reba said, also the men was the one who supposed to take care of the woman for 9 months during her pregnancy. You are right, men does not experience the same as women, but the men can be handful for women with their pregnancy issue.

If I have a girl who carrying my baby developing in her stomach and she decide to consider about the abortion, I would like to talk with her about it and seek for solution or other options, helping her to understand what's her right choice. That is the men's act to be fatherhood

I'd rather to do those what I just said than just leave all of the works and stress on the woman, it might make her feel like I don't care about the baby, I just don't want the woman feel that way about me and the baby from me in her stomach.

Ditto your post

Anyway..

Well, its currently happen to my mind is: what's about existing unwanted children? Why not we cannot just kill them like abortion would? If no, why not?

I uncerntianly am not surprise if there is going legal infanticide, legally killing unwanted children for food (or others), and go on. Would I surprise for that? No. I don't. Because many people just began to consider those children who under 5 years old as non-persons. I'm not kidding. I can give you some anti child or anti human communities if you dont believe me.. =/

 

[shel90]

Ditto your post

Anyway..

Well, its currently happen to my mind is: what's about existing unwanted children? Why not we cannot just kill them like abortion would? If no, why not?

I uncerntianly am not surprise if there is going legal infanticide, legally killing unwanted children for food (or others), and go on. Would I surprise for that? No. I don't. Because many people just began to consider those children who under 5 years old as non-persons. I'm not kidding. I can give you some anti child or anti human communities if you dont believe me.. =/

China is a perfect example of a community that does that especially with baby girls.

 

[KarissaMann05]

China is a perfect example of a community that does that especially with baby girls.

More than just China and that community..
I meant, what if there are increasing of homoidic (sp) because of this reason.

y'know?

 

[Reba]

Ok a ten year old child for starters, Is only a CHILD. For a child to carry a baby at that age not totally understanding what is going on because that child will not have the mental capacity to understand what is going on with her body and let alone that child is pregnant in result of sexual abuse.

Does she have the mental capacity to understand what is happening to her body during an abortion?

WHY make THAT child suffer!

Is an abortion less to suffer than a pregnancy?

That child's body is not ready or built to carry or deliver a so call 6-10 pound baby or larger.

Which may be why she miscarried.

BTW, first babies of young girls are very rarely 10-lbs. or larger. They're usually on the smaller size.

Let alone that child already endured sexual abuse. Let it go! Why make one child suffer so she can have another child?

Why punish the girl? It's the abusing grownups that need to be punished. The poor girl should be rescued from them.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

support women's choice reason which somewhat have good reasons.. due raping/their health isn't suitable stable condition.. by recommend doctor..

You cannot judge the woman have rights abortions..
I have nothing what can I do.. as long I believe women's rights!
so am I
IF suppose someone rape me.. and will end up abortion for sure.. i do not want hurting or hunts me feel worst pain how much the rapist guy stuck in my head.. fawk that!

 

[KarissaMann05]

I just realize some people thought some of us are judging women's rights because we tell others what to do, or something had been said.

Ah, I'm not telling others what to do nor to judge toward women who have abortions neither. I never would. I am standing on my opinions and deep thoughts. If you think I am attacking their personals.. Again, I really don't.

Besides, I'm a non-traditional pro-lifer because a pro-life is more than just abortion subject in my own view. I am a member of Bad Pro-Life Community: Bad Pro-Lifers , since some of ADers may still insist me to be pro-choice because wikipedia said so. No, I'm not pro-choice because I never want to be, anyway.

 

[Babyblue]

Does she have the mental capacity to understand what is happening to her body during an abortion?


Is an abortion less to suffer than a pregnancy?


Which may be why she miscarried.

BTW, first babies of young girls are very rarely 10-lbs. or larger. They're usually on the smaller size.


Why punish the girl? It's the abusing grownups that need to be punished. The poor girl should be rescued from them.

Yes an abortion is less to suffer due to it is quick and painless. pregnancy lasts Nine Months. and she would have to deliever that child.

She may not miscarry... she may make it to terms and then the delivery may kill her or her unborn child due to her body is not ready.

I agree the abusing person needs to be punished! But why punish a 10 (TEN) year old CHILD (baby) to endure a pregnancy. She did not even ask for it. It was the person that assaulted her. She didn't have a choice on getting pregnant she did not consent the sexual activity to concieve the child. People are so over whelmed with abortion rights, that the other little girls (children) Even though the child (little girl that could have been your daughter) had none.

 

[deafdyke]

a person was stupid enough to have an unplanned pregnancy' she SHOULD consider adoption for that child, but still it is her choice. Too many people ending up on welfare with unplanned pregnancy. Costing the tax payers millions.

I do feel that women that has multiple abortions abuses it, and should be ashame of themselves and be fixed so they can't get pregnant.

AMEN!!!!! I really do think that birth control should be more affordable, as well as the morning after pill. Reduce the pregnancies that are the result of not having access to birth control, or are due to birth control failures, then you'll have a lot less abortions. I really find it ironic as heck that the people who rant and rave about abortions being evil are the same ones who rant and rave about so called "welfare abusers"...................

 

[Babyblue]

AMEN!!!!! I really do think that birth control should be more affordable, as well as the morning after pill. Reduce the pregnancies that are the result of not having access to birth control, or are due to birth control failures, then you'll have a lot less abortions. I really find it ironic as heck that the people who rant and rave about abortions being evil are the same ones who rant and rave about so called "welfare abusers"...................

Some religions consider the morning after pill is just an another way of getting an abortion... even though the person conceives a child it just helps to keep the embryo from implanting into the uterus instead it helps a woman to shed it all out (menstruate). Even though the conception process has already happened...

Just saying some people believe life starts at conception.

so the question is the morning after pill is another form of abortion??? something to ponder.

 

[Babyblue]

I am a firm advocate of Birth Control in the beginning. Prevention is always the best method to use.

 

[fredfam1]

Carry to term still best

For the pregnant childs physical and emotional health it would still
better to carry the child to term. Interruptions of pregnancies
predispose the female to breast cancer and other illnesses.
The physical process should be aloud to continue once it has
begun. The baby should be placed for adoption as this whole
family appears dysfunctional. Perhaps some good would then
come from a horrible situation.

 

[fredfam1]

Some religions consider the morning after pill is just an another way of getting an abortion... even though the person conceives a child it just helps to keep the embryo from implanting into the uterus instead it helps a woman to shed it all out (menstruate). Even though the conception process has already happened...

Just saying some people believe life starts at conception.

so the question is the morning after pill is another form of abortion??? something to ponder.

I am one of those that believes life begins at conception.
And I agree the morning after pill is just another form of it.
Just as IUDs are a form of abortion as they do not prevent
conception, they only prevent the embryo from implanting
in the uterus. Having said that, I am against that pill for
other reasons. It is not being reported that women are
bleeding to death from its use, or dying of infections from
retained placental tissue, or suffering ill health from flooding
the body with these chemicals. Only the succesful cases
are reported. It is a wicked horrible COMMERCIAL Business,
preying on women who are in need of emotional support,
and physical support as well as financial help. This should
be the churches business. Saving these babies and helping
these women. I blame my church for ignoring the problem
and treating these women like criminals to begin with. It
is always the "sin" that shows that gets condemnation.
But the sin in the Bible that Jesus was always the most
tender with, and the most understanding with was the
sexual sin. I think Jesus would not be happy with how the
church has handled this whole issue.

 

[Babyblue]

Correct, and I had an IUD at one time and had it removed due to I had my tubes tied. The copper sometimes help prevent conception but not always.

People don't see IUD a form of abortion or the morning after pill. some people do.

 

[fredfam1]

Correct, and I had an IUD at one time and had it removed due to I had my tubes tied. The copper sometimes help prevent conception but not always.

People don't see IUD a form of abortion or the morning after pill. some people do.

I too had an I iud at one point. I was told I wouldn't get pregnant. Not
correct information. But since I belive in Heaven as well, I look
forward to meeting those beings I created and never knew here on earth.

 

[Dixie]

In the case of rape - there is the 'morning after pill' that will prevent pregnancy, if the woman seeks help immediately, and asks for it. This is the ONLY thing the morning after pill should be used for, not for two teenage kids who fooled around and realize the next day the girl might be pregnant because there was no condom nor birth control pills being utilized. Condoms and birth control pills can be obtained for free at most health offices, at least in AR anyway.

Then there is abortion in the case of severe birth defects that would not allow the child to have a good quality of life nor quantity. Or if the mother would be in danger if she were to give birth (but of course these things such as the mother possibly dying during labor should be sought out before hand - given this is a planned pregnancy to begin with. If the mother has a pre-existing condition in which she cannot successfully carry a fetus for 9 months, then they should consider adoption instead of hoping only to find out the mother will only die in the labor process and having to abort.)

Then there is abortion. I do believe in the sancticity of life, and eugenics is a very slippery slope. Yes some couples know beforehand that their child will be born with birth defects and choose to abort in hopes of sparing the child a painful unhappy life, but life is life. The child is still a breathing living creature, a person.

Other couples choose the have the child anyway despite severe deformites, such as my pastor who chose this route. Despite his oldest daughters many handicaps, she is still able to understand certain simple concepts. She is 8 (possibly 9 by now) and has the mentality of a 1 year old child. (She understands 'yes', 'no', 'bible', 'mommy', 'daddy', and 'toy'.) Despite the limited level of function, she is still a person. She cannot feed herself, she cannot eat solid food (she is fed through GI tube), has a tracheotomy, is confined to a wheel chair, and at certain times requires oxygen. But she is still loveable, still a person. Her parents would not have it any other way. Their other two daughters are normal. No handicaps to speak of.

Other parents have less severe forms of handicapped children such as those with Down's Syndrome (and there are widely varying degrees of this some are so severe they cannot function much beyond the level of my pastors daughter, and some cases are so mild that they go on to lead normal adult lives.) Then, there is the child whose organs are growing on the outside of the body rather than inside as it should do, surgery is very risky for the fetus and the mom as well. Should they abort, or should they consider surgery and possibly lose the mother and child?

Here is what I think:
I think parents need to quit being so shy about discussing the birds and bees, there is no better source of this than from mom and dad. Its a crucial part of parenting. I think the church should also get involved - they too are wimping out on discussing the effects of unprotected pre-marital sex. This should be somewhere on the Sunday School curriculum. The Bible discusses this very openly in many places, why cant the church do so? Some girls who have grown up in church all their lives end up pregnant during high school or fresh out of high school and they completely miss the boat.

As for public sex education - it is an absolute joke. They just say ok Johnny needs to wear a condom and Jane needs to take birth control pills, but the best preventative is abstinence. And thats it. Half the time the kids dont take is seriously because *gasp* the teacher doesnt take it seriously.

And given the sterotypes the girl is often blamed for the entire pregnancy and the guy isnt? I thought it took two to tango...

Lets drop the abortion rates even further by pushing to end teen pregnancy and unplanned pregnancies of young women not ready to raise a child yet financially nor emotionally.

Maybe we can still advance as a society but still keep our morals that we had back in the early part of the 20th century. Sex shouldnt be taboo, but it should be abstained from until we are financially, mentally, emotionally ready to have a baby.

 

[Babyblue]

That is the best thing I've seen in this thread I think we all the Anti and Pros can agree on this one.

By Dixie

Maybe we can still advance as a society but still keep our morals that we had back in the early part of the 20th century. Sex shouldnt be taboo, but it should be abstained from until we are financially, mentally, emotionally ready to have a baby.

 

[fredfam1]

That is the best thing I've seen in this thread I think we all the Anti and Pros can agree on this one.

By Dixie

Wouldn't it be wonderful if people actually taught this?
I always had my children in the room with me while
I was in labor and when I gave birth. I have raised
4 girls to adult hood and so far zero unplanned pregnancies!
I have 4 grandchildren, 3 of which are older than my two
youngest. My 7 and 10 year olds love to be called
Uncle and Auntie.
It is wonderful birth control. I also have video tapes
and plan to show them to the younger kids when
they are older. When reality is presented, in a loving
manner kids will most often make the correct choices.

 

[Hwy99]

Ditto your post

Anyway..

Well, its currently happen to my mind is: what's about existing unwanted children? Why not we cannot just kill them like abortion would? If no, why not?

And that's why I see abortion just the same as mother killing children. As since I would never agree with mother's right to kill the children, so of course no, because if she can't handle with the children then she can send the children for the adoption or something else.. Killing is not the only thing to solve the proble, and it is the worst solution, JMO.

I uncerntianly am not surprise if there is going legal infanticide, legally killing unwanted children for food (or others), and go on. Would I surprise for that? No. I don't. Because many people just began to consider those children who under 5 years old as non-persons. I'm not kidding. I can give you some anti child or anti human communities if you dont believe me.. =/[/COLOR]

Ohh please... Those people thinking humans as worthless which means they are considering themselves as worthless too. I would never think that way about the humans :roll:.... And you don't have to proves the links to me about the "anti-humans" communities, I know there are people who hate the humans too..