Florida Neighborhood Watch

[Foxrac]

You are making an assumption that Zimmerman confronted Martin in a violent manner. We don't know that.

If you were selling pot, or about to break in somewhere, and a stranger was following you - I am sure you would get a bit "skittish" too.

I am not saying that was what Martin was doing, but Zimmerman felt compelled to call 911 because of something Martin was doing.

I'm not interested to sell drugs or break in somewhere, even I'm not interested to become criminal.

I'm DISQUALIFIED from having guns at home as defense due to my mental condition, however my background is clean and federal/state don't know about my medical condition due to HIPAA.

Martin wasn't criminal since he is just walking in neighborhood to his father house, even he doesn't have any drugs in his hand to sell.

 

[Foxrac]

One thing though, the 911 operator did not tell Zimmerman “not to follow” Martin. Instead the operator asked Zimmerman if he was following the suspect, and when Zimmerman said he was, the operator told him “You don’t need to do that”. Not the same thing. And it wasn't an order, either.

BTW, laws covering self-defense still applies separate that of Stand your Ground. Regardless, not going to act stupidly and make all kinds of assumptions because none of us have all the details to this case. Let the investigations take place and allow investigators establish all of the facts first. It's much better this way. Not going to hyperventilate over this one.

Stand your ground law doesn't applies to Martin's case, period.

 

[TXgolfer]

then you do realize that "Stand Your Ground" does not protect you if you're an aggressor or intentionally putting yourself in danger?


That "report" where Trayvon attacked Zimmerman has given up pursuit is actually Zimmerman's statement to police but that has been debunked by 911 call. It did not match up.

Not true.

 

[Jiro]

Trayvon Martin: New details in George Zimmerman domestic-violence petitions

Newly available documents reveal conflicting accounts of a violent relationship in the past of George Zimmerman, the Sanford man who fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month.

The court records concern a conflict between Zimmerman and his ex-fiancée, who filed a petition accusing Zimmerman of pushing her during an argument at her Orlando home in August 2005.

The woman reported Zimmerman had arrived at her home Aug. 8 and asked to talk. Later, when she asked him to leave, she said, he insisted on staying and demanded documents she had.

The woman said she offered to drop the papers off the following day, but Zimmerman became upset, took her cellphone and shoved her. A fight ensued, she said, and her dog bit Zimmerman's cheek.

Zimmerman filed his own petition the day after his ex-fiancée's, in which he claimed that she had been the aggressor in the fight. He said she called him Aug. 8 and invited him to spend the night.

He said he declined to stay overnight, and his ex accused him of leaving to see another woman or to "party" with his friends.

Zimmerman accused the woman in his petition of cursing at and striking him, and said she refused to give him documents, including mortgage papers and car-loan documents, that belonged to him.

He said she caused the wounds to his face that she blamed on her dog. Both Zimmerman and his ex-fiancée reported in their petitions that the fight wasn't the first incident of violence between them.

The ex-fiancée reported that Zimmerman had "open handed smacked" her in the mouth and berated her during an argument in January 2003.

In November 2002, Zimmerman claimed his ex had assaulted him with a baseball bat after he went to a concert without her.

The same month, the woman said, Zimmerman became angry when she came home later than usual one night. He began groping her and "said he could because I was his woman," she wrote.

Protective injunctions were later ordered in response to both petitions. Both injunctions expired Aug. 24, 2006. Reached by the Sentinel via email Tuesday, the woman would not comment.

well... that explains Zimmerman's series of mistakes that led to shooting.

 

[Steinhauer]

was that necessary? why the snarky attitude?

and btw - you didn't answer this one. was Zimmerman's life in dire danger in the first place?

his head was slammed into the sidewalk ... hmmmm ... let me see ....

 

[Steinhauer]

He did when he got out of car to follow him.

and was returning to when Martin attacked him.

 

[Jiro]

his head was slammed into the sidewalk ... hmmmm ... let me see ....

ah so you're telling me that at that time when Zimmerman called 911 to report a suspicious person, his life was in dire danger when he first saw Trayvon?

or was it that Zimmerman's life was in dire danger after he left his car to confront Trayvon?

 

[Jiro]

and was returning to when Martin attacked him.

is that a conclusive fact?

 

[kokonut]

And the 911 dispatcher may have said that to protect Zimmerman ... knowing that the "suspicious" person might be violent ...

Of course, it's always in the interest of 911 dispatchers to help callers stay safe.

Again, as you already know, we'll just have to let the facts come together on its own and let investigators do their jobs. Not really useful in speculating without having all of the facts. Though amusing to watch people hyperventilate as if they already have all of the facts on hand.

 

[rockin'robin]

is that a conclusive fact?

 

[kokonut]

Point of legal fact:

In our legal system, no has to prove anyone's innocence. It's up to the prosecutor to prove one's guilt.

A defendant is presumed innocent until and if he is proven guilty in a court of law.

Also, a person isn't even a defendant until he's been charged with a crime. In this case, Zimmerman isn't even a defendant because he's not yet been charged with a crime. He's not even a suspect.

Here's the problem: You can't have a suspect or defendant until it's been established that there was a crime committed. That's the first step. First, it has to be determined that there was a crime committed. Then, the prosecution against an individual can proceed.

In this case, it will probably be a grand jury that determines if a crime has been committed, and that Zimmerman should be charged.

Thank you, Reba, for that explanation and clarity. It's all about proving guilt first. I hope the day never comes when those charged must prove their innocent first.

 

[Foxrac]

Thank you, Reba, for that explanation and clarity. It's all about proving guilt first. I hope the day never comes when those charged must prove their innocent first.

I watched The First 48 documentaries about homicides and all arrested people are innocent until proven guilty and it has done by court, just right after police to charge with crime whatever they commit.

I want Zimmerman to be arrested and he is still remain innocent as well, he has numerous questions that need to answered and he may need take polygraph test as well.

 

[Jiro]

I watched The First 48 documentaries about homicides and all arrested people are innocent until proven guilty and it has done by court, just right after police to charge with crime whatever they commit.

I want Zimmerman to be arrested and he is still remain innocent as well, he has numerous questions that need to answered and he may need take polygraph test as well.

my stance is that Zimmerman should be arrested for manslaughter because "Stand Your Ground" is not applicable in this case since Zimmerman invited himself to danger.

Stand Your Ground is only applicable if someone is an aggressor especially in unprovoked situation. I'm the biggest supporter of Stand Your Ground. But in this case, the incident was started by Zimmerman thus making him an aggressor.

Carrying a gun in public is not a right. It's a privilege. He abused that privilege and misused it and I strongly believe that there are enough evidences to prosecute Zimmerman for manslaughter and to hold police department responsible for its incompetence and mishandling. I also strongly disagree that this is also a case of hate crime or similar.

 

[Tousi]

I watched The First 48 documentaries about homicides and all arrested people are innocent until proven guilty and it has done by court, just right after police to charge with crime whatever they commit.

I want Zimmerman to be arrested and he is still remain innocent as well, he has numerous questions that need to answered and he may need take

polygraph test as well.

Ever hear of "probable cause"? Must have some factual evidence to compel an arrest. Arrests cannot be made on suspicion alone.

 

[TXgolfer]

My stance is, I will leave it to the professionals who have all of the facts and are trained to do this. And if one level fails I will trust the next level to do their job. Pure silliness to draw conclusions from the information we have not knowing if the information is accurate or complete.

 

[Jiro]

My stance is, I will leave it to the professionals who have all of the facts and are trained to do this. And if one level fails I will trust the next level to do their job. Pure silliness to draw conclusions from the information we have not knowing if the information is accurate or complete.

and?

you're saying we can't express our opinion based on current information at hand?

 

[Tousi]

and?

you're saying we can't express our opinion based on current information at hand?

After six pages of this, I'd say its time for a nap.

 

[Jiro]

After six pages of this, I'd say its time for a nap.

true! wake me up on April 10th

 

[Tousi]

true! wake me up on April 10th

Just beware of the Ides of April!

 

[kokonut]

My stance is, I will leave it to the professionals who have all of the facts and are trained to do this. And if one level fails I will trust the next level to do their job. Pure silliness to draw conclusions from the information we have not knowing if the information is accurate or complete.

I agree. Sharpton isn't helping with his silliness, either.