Florida Neighborhood Watch

[Jiro]

Did Trayvon know that Zimmerman was armed? Did Trayvon see the gun in Zimmerman's hand or did Zimmerman say, "I have a gun"?

that's the problem. we don't know.

it pretty much comes down to analysis of 911 call and witnesses' testimonies. who was screaming at the end of 911 call? and a huge problem is 2 witnesses - Trayvon's gf stated that he called her and was in fear because a man was eyeing him. and Zimmerman's friend stated that the scream was definitely Zimmerman. Zimmerman will need to explain himself as to why he pursued Trayvon.

A big question still remains in everybody's mind - exactly what is it that made Zimmerman so suspicious of Trayvon that it made Zimmerman to put himself in danger? at this point - it isn't looking good for Zimmerman and police department. that's why whenever firearm is involved in any incident, it's a legal headache.

 

[Steinhauer]

You are conveniently ignoring the very beginning. You do realize that in the court of law, every incident must have a legal justification in the first place?

So I ask you again - what crime did Zimmerman witness? what crime did Trayvon commit? was Zimmerman's life in dire danger in the first place?



I already stated this many times that the public and media need to STFU and stop pulling race card on this one.


what? you pulled a race card in this one. I never did.

Again, the world does not revolve around you. The media has been playing the race card ever since this incident has been reported.

 

[Jiro]

Again, the world does not revolve around you. The media has been playing the race card ever since this incident has been reported.

and? your point is.....?

and by asking you "what crime did Zimmerman witness? what crime did Trayvon commit? was Zimmerman's life in dire danger in the first place?".... you come up with "the world does not revolve around you"?

yep you're avoiding my questions. why are you hiding like Zimmerman? you knew he's clearly guilty of "being Charles Bronson"?

 

[Steinhauer]

and? your point is.....?

and by asking you "what crime did Zimmerman witness? what crime did Trayvon commit? was Zimmerman's life in dire danger in the first place?".... you come up with "the world does not revolve around you"?

yep you're avoiding my questions. why are you hiding like Zimmerman? you knew he's clearly guilty of "being Charles Bronson"?

Are you trying to make this about you again?

I already answered your silly questions.

 

[TXgolfer]

and? your point is.....?

and by asking you "what crime did Zimmerman witness? what crime did Trayvon commit? was Zimmerman's life in dire danger in the first place?".... you come up with "the world does not revolve around you"?

yep you're avoiding my questions. why are you hiding like Zimmerman? you knew he's clearly guilty of "being Charles Bronson"?

We don't know yet.... Not all of the facts have been released. Maybe he was attempting to sell drugs, casing a house, being a look out. The again, maybe nothing at all.

But we do now have a report that Trayvon attacked AFTER Zimmermanhad given up pursuit. And there are several reports and a twitter feed that indicate this was not Trayvon's only altercation. See: Bus driver. Then there is the pot Baggie at school. Looks like Zimmerman came a cross a pretty hard ore dude.

 

[Foxrac]

Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman's account to police of the Trayvon Martin shooting. - Orlando Sentinel

Zimmerman SHOULD NOT follow Martin if he believe that Martin is suspicious. He should listen 911 dispatcher instead ignore them and confront Martin. When Martin's life is in danger, even he was in fear so he will have knock Zimmerman down or turn him away as his self defense.

When Zimmerman confronted Martin, it cause serious trouble and it is just like fighting in high school. Martin isn't even adult either.

 

[Steinhauer]

Zimmerman SHOULD NOT follow Martin if he believe that Martin is suspicious. He should listen 911 dispatcher instead ignore them and confront Martin. When Martin's life is in danger, even he was in fear so he will have knock Zimmerman down or turn him away as his self defense.

When Zimmerman confronted Martin, it cause serious trouble and it is just like fighting in high school. Martin isn't even adult either.

Maybe Martin should not have followed Zimmerman and punched him in the nose?

I am pretty sure he would not have gotten shot if he chose to just keep walking.

 

[Foxrac]

We don't know yet.... Not all of the facts have been released. Maybe he was attempting to sell drugs, casing a house, being a look out. The again, maybe nothing at all.

But we do now have a report that Trayvon attacked AFTER Zimmermanhad given up pursuit. And there are several reports and a twitter feed that indicate this was not Trayvon's only altercation. See: Bus driver. Then there is the pot Baggie at school. Looks like Zimmerman came a cross a pretty hard ore dude.

Zimmerman doesn't know about Martin has pots in bag at school and Martin's school is too far from Sanford, FL, even doesn't know his name when he was sounds like suspicious. There are no drugs in Martin's hand when he got in gated community before Zimmerman start confront at him.

 

[Foxrac]

Maybe Martin should not have followed Zimmerman and punched him in the nose?

I am pretty sure he would not have gotten shot if he chose to just keep walking.

Martin's life is ALREADY in fear and he decided to defend himself from attacking.

Do you read about what 911 dispatcher saying? If not then go read their dispatcher told Zimmerman to NOT FOLLOW.

For me, I will probably in self defense if someone follow at my back or start confront at me for no reason.

 

[Steinhauer]

Martin's life is ALREADY in fear and he decided to defend himself from attacking.

Do you read about what 911 dispatcher saying? If not then go read their dispatcher told Zimmerman to NOT FOLLOW.

For me, I will probably in self defense if someone follow at my back or start confront at me for no reason.

You are making an assumption that Zimmerman confronted Martin in a violent manner. We don't know that.

If you were selling pot, or about to break in somewhere, and a stranger was following you - I am sure you would get a bit "skittish" too.

I am not saying that was what Martin was doing, but Zimmerman felt compelled to call 911 because of something Martin was doing.

 

[Jiro]

We don't know yet.... Not all of the facts have been released. Maybe he was attempting to sell drugs, casing a house, being a look out. The again, maybe nothing at all.

then you do realize that "Stand Your Ground" does not protect you if you're an aggressor or intentionally putting yourself in danger?

But we do now have a report that Trayvon attacked AFTER Zimmermanhad given up pursuit. And there are several reports and a twitter feed that indicate this was not Trayvon's only altercation. See: Bus driver. Then there is the pot Baggie at school. Looks like Zimmerman came a cross a pretty hard ore dude.

That "report" where Trayvon attacked Zimmerman has given up pursuit is actually Zimmerman's statement to police but that has been debunked by 911 call. It did not match up.

 

[Jiro]

You are making an assumption that Zimmerman confronted Martin in a violent manner. We don't know that.

If you were selling pot, or about to break in somewhere, and a stranger was following you - I am sure you would get a bit "skittish" too.

I am not saying that was what Martin was doing, but Zimmerman felt compelled to call 911 because of something Martin was doing.

correction - "but Zimmerman felt compelled to confront him and take matters into his own hands because of...."

that is where Zimmerman broke the law and Neighborhood Watch's cardinal rules.

Maybe Martin should not have followed Zimmerman and punched him in the nose?

I am pretty sure he would not have gotten shot if he chose to just keep walking.

correction - "Maybe Zimmerman should not gotten out of car and let the cops handle it. I am pretty sure nobody would have died on that day if he listened to 911 dispatcher and adhered to Neighborhood Watch's cardinal rules."

 

[kokonut]

You are making an assumption that Zimmerman confronted Martin in a violent manner. We don't know that.

If you were selling pot, or about to break in somewhere, and a stranger was following you - I am sure you would get a bit "skittish" too.

I am not saying that was what Martin was doing, but Zimmerman felt compelled to call 911 because of something Martin was doing.

One thing though, the 911 operator did not tell Zimmerman “not to follow” Martin. Instead the operator asked Zimmerman if he was following the suspect, and when Zimmerman said he was, the operator told him “You don’t need to do that”. Not the same thing. And it wasn't an order, either.

BTW, laws covering self-defense still applies separate that of Stand your Ground. Regardless, not going to act stupidly and make all kinds of assumptions because none of us have all the details to this case. Let the investigations take place and allow investigators establish all of the facts first. It's much better this way. Not going to hyperventilate over this one.

 

[Jiro]

Are you trying to make this about you again?

I already answered your silly questions.

where did you answer my questions? Please kindly Post #. Thanks.

 

[Steinhauer]

correction - "but Zimmerman felt compelled to confront him and take matters into his own hands because of...."

that is where Zimmerman broke the law and Neighborhood Watch's cardinal rules.



correction - "Maybe Zimmerman should not gotten out of car and let the cops handle it. I am pretty sure nobody would have died on that day if he listened to 911 dispatcher and adhered to Neighborhood Watch's cardinal rules."

He is NOT taking matters in his own hands when he called 911.

Vigilantes never involve the police.

 

[Steinhauer]

where did you answer my questions? Please kindly Post #. Thanks.

for starters #121

but go ahead and continue asking the same question ... never stopped you before.

 

[Steinhauer]

One thing though, the 911 operator did not tell Zimmerman “not to follow” Martin. Instead the operator asked Zimmerman if he was following the suspect, and when Zimmerman said he was, the operator told him “You don’t need to do that”. Not the same thing. And it wasn't an order, either.

BTW, laws covering self-defense still applies separate that of Stand your Ground. Regardless, not going to act stupidly and make all kinds of assumptions because none of us have all the details to this case. Let the investigations take place and allow investigators establish all of the facts first. It's much better this way. Not going to hyperventilate over this one.

And the 911 dispatcher may have said that to protect Zimmerman ... knowing that the "suspicious" person might be violent ...

 

[Jiro]

for starters #121

but go ahead and continue asking the same question ... never stopped you before.

was that necessary? why the snarky attitude?

and btw - you didn't answer this one. was Zimmerman's life in dire danger in the first place?

 

[Jiro]

And the 911 dispatcher may have said that to protect Zimmerman ... knowing that the "suspicious" person might be violent ...

so you're telling me that it's legal for any armed private citizen to act like a cop by intentionally putting yourself in danger and wait for them to give you a reason to kill them?

 

[Jiro]

He is NOT taking matters in his own hands when he called 911.

Vigilantes never involve the police.

He did when he got out of car to follow him.