Florida Neighborhood Watch

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Jiro said:
let me make sure I understand you perfectly - I pulled a race card in this thread?
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I didn't say you specifically did but I might as well have....not gonna nit-pick with you.
 
Tousi said:
I didn't say you specifically did but I might as well have....not gonna nit-pick with you.
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oh how convenient... should haven't started nit-picking with me from Post #572 to here.
 
Jiro said:
so why did he get out of his car to confront him instead of letting cops handling it?
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Why assume he went to confront Martin? Is getting out of your car illegal? Perhaps he could have gotten out of his car as to not lose sight of Martin maybe?

The entirety of information that has been presented and made public - the 911 call, its content and collaborating witnesses and the lies told by Martin's parents all suggest that Zimmerman was actually doing his neighborhood watch duties responsibly and Martin confronted Zimmerman in a violent manner.
 
Jiro said:
oh how convenient... should haven't started nit-picking with me from Post #572 to here.
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Oh, you mean how he singled you out as a racist hate mongerer? yeah, maybe he should have been a bit nicer about it :roll:
 
Steinhauer said:
Why assume he went to confront Martin? Is getting out of your car illegal? Perhaps he could have gotten out of his car as to not lose sight of Martin maybe?

The entirety of information that has been presented and made public - the 911 call, its content and collaborating witnesses and the lies told by Martin's parents all suggest that Zimmerman was actually doing his neighborhood watch duties responsibly and Martin confronted Zimmerman in a violent manner.
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why do you assume Martin confronted Zimmerman in a violent manner?

and where did you get the fact that "entirety of information" has been released? majority of information has been withheld by special prosecutor.
 
Steinhauer said:
You seem to be stirring the racism pot quite frequently - maybe you do not even know you are doing it.
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let's try to answer my question first.

did he?
 
George Zimmerman lost job as party security guard for being too aggressive, ex-co-worker says * - NY Daily News
George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

The year 2005 was a bad one for Zimmerman: he was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.

The former co-worker, who is no longer in touch with Zimmerman, said he was shocked to hear what happened Feb. 26 in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.

“He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power. Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never,” he said.

Zimmerman, who was working as an insurance agent and liked to patrol his neighborhood, killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin after calling 911 to report a suspicious person. The teenager, who was staying with his father, went out to buy a bag of Skittles and an iced tea.
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Jiro said:
why do you assume Martin confronted Zimmerman in a violent manner?


Because Zimmerman and eyewitnesses said so - and because Zimmerman had a broken nose as well as was bleeding from the back of his head. It isn't an assumption when medical records document this stuff

and where did you get the fact that "entirety of information" has been released? majority of information has been withheld by special prosecutor.
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I never said the entirety of all information was released, I said the entirety of the infomration that has been released.
 
Trayvon Martin: homeowners could pay in Trayvon Martin case - Orlando Sentinel
The people who could end up paying the financial price for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin are, ultimately, the homeowners of the Retreat at Twin Lakes development in Sanford, experts say.

If their crime-watch program captain George Zimmerman gets charged with and convicted of killing Trayvon, the community's homeowner association and property-management company will likely be sued by the victim's family regarding the way the watch program was established and operated, said Donna Berger, a lawyer who specializes in homeowner-association law.


"They may wind up getting sued and getting hit with hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees and damages," said Berger, who works with the South Florida law firm Katzman, Garfinkel and Berger. "Who will pay is every member of the association, and they will have to make special assessments. ... It's a cautionary tale for other associations."

Located about six miles west of historic downtown Sanford, the 6-year-old Retreat at Twin Lakes contains about 200 two-story town homes. Don O'Brien, president of the homeowner association's board, would not comment when contacted this week, and other members of the board did not return phone calls.

Leland Management is the community's property manager, but no one from that company returned phone calls from the Orlando Sentinel. The company describes itself as a "proactive management firm with the objective of providing a safe, positive environment for all residents. Leland believes in fostering community spirit and responsible resident behavior."

Zimmerman shot the unarmed teen Feb. 26, sparking controversy and inciting protests across the country.

Zimmerman was the point person for the subdivision's Neighborhood Watch. The September edition of the community's newsletter stated: "To receive Neighborhood Watch updates, safety tips and be noticed [sic] of any suspicious activity within your community, call George Zimmerman," and included his phone number, which has since been disconnected.

It is unclear how much Retreat at Twin Lakes' Neighborhood Watch worked with Sanford police. The department's Crime Prevention Specialist Wendy Dorival did not return calls.

DeBary resident Jan Bergemann, who operates a homeowner-association watchdog group called Cyber Citizens for Justice, said Retreat at Twin Lakes' association should have issued guidelines that warned crime-watch members against arming themselves when doing anything that might be considered the business of the watch program.

"They should have issued proper guidelines that disallowed members from running around with guns," Bergemann said. "If you don't put out guidelines, you are in deep doo-doo if something happens. ... If the Martin family brings a wrongful-death lawsuit, more or less I think the association will be on the hook."

Legal judgments and settlements against an association's board members and directors are usually covered by an errors-and-omissions insurance policy, but the community's crime-watch program would not be covered because it's considered more of a neighborhood committee, Bergemann added.

In the past, associations facing legal damages have tried to file bankruptcy, but judges have not looked favorably on such a strategy, Bergemann said. Also, judges have considered the houses in a community as collateral to cover such damages, he said.

In 2006, the state's 3rd District Court of Appeal held the homeowner association for a South Florida community, Lago Grande, partially responsible in a wrongful-death case; property owners there were assessed about $2,000 each to pay the legal judgment.


Even though the facts of that case differed from those of the Trayvon Martin case, it illustrates how homeowners can be forced to pay for civil judgments imposed on their association.

"This is what I'm always trying to say — being a member of an association is nice when it comes to having a pool and clubhouse, but you buy into all of the association's liabilities, too," Bergemann said.
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what a shame.... the association should have hired a real private security firm. This so-called neighborhood watch isn't even registered with Sanford Police Department.
 
Steinhauer said:
Because Zimmerman and eyewitnesses said so - and because Zimmerman had a broken nose as well as was bleeding from the back of his head. It isn't an assumption when medical records document this stuff
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given Zimmerman's violent and troubled history, you still don't think it is possible that maybe Trayvon was simply defending himself from Zimmerman because he was armed? maybe? no?

Steinhauer said:
I never said the entirety of all information was released, I said the entirety of the infomration that has been released.
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what is this incessant quibbling....

and I thought you want to wait and let the professionals do their job? only 10 days left, ya know?
 
Steinhauer said:
It doesn't have to be.
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well the law disagrees with you. whether or not if Zimmerman is innocent, the association is still held liable for it. civil lawsuit, you know?
 
Jiro said:
well the law disagrees with you. whether or not if Zimmerman is innocent, the association is still held liable for it. civil lawsuit, you know?
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Are you admitting you are just assuming what happened between Zimmerman and Martin and don't really know?

Civil and Criminal lawsuits are different. Criminal lawsuits are filed when a law was broken.
 
Steinhauer said:
Are you admitting you are just assuming what happened between Zimmerman and Martin and don't really know?
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re-read from the very beginning. you'll find at least dozens of my answers to your question.

Steinhauer said:
Civil and Criminal lawsuits are different. Criminal lawsuits are filed when a law was broken.
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right............ and? I fail to see what you're trying to say. re-read my previous post.
 
Jiro said:
re-read from the very beginning. you'll find at least dozens of my answers to your question.


right............ and? I fail to see what you're trying to say. re-read my previous post.
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Uh .... Dude. Civil lawsuits are tort related. Criminal lawsuits are when a law was broken. You have been the one claiming Zimmerman broke the law and are now claiming the neighborhood watch association was in violation of the law.

You even implied they had to be registered with the Sanford Police Department.
 
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