Florida Neighborhood Watch

[Steinhauer]

I've never said it MUST be registered with police. I only said it ISN'T registered with the police. Huge difference. So what I'm saying is that this so-called Neighborhood Watch program is not endorsed by official organization nor on par with the official rules. Meaning.... anybody can order a Neighborhood Watch sign from online and self-appoint oneself as "captain" or whatever the title they want.

The association allowed this and let this unstable troubled man to serve as a home cop. so now they will be held liable for it.

This part is especially important because it's all about liability. Who oversees this? Who appointed Zimmerman? Who allowed this Neighborhood Watch program? Does this program meet the official standard?

Since this neighborhood watch program isn't registered with Sanford Police Department, this mean they're not responsible for them nor would be held liable for them. It belongs to the association and they will be held liable for Trayvon's death via wrongful death lawsuit and the law agrees.


according to Home - National Neighborhood Watch Institute which is where the association bought the sign from


and you might want to start with this one.... the "real" Neighborhood Watch program. the founder of Neighborhood Watch program - USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch Program (housed within the National Sheriffs’ Association)

When you said that Zimmerman's neighborhood watch program was not registered with the police, my reponse was that it didn't have to be registered.

Your immediate reply was that the law disagrees with me.

So again, I am asking you, what law requires a neighborhood watch to register with the police?

Yes, you did say it had to be, in your response, when you claimed the law disagreed with me.

 

[Jiro]

When you said that Zimmermans neighborhood watch program was not registered with the police, my reponse was that it didn't have to be registered.

Your immediate reply was that the law disagrees with me.

So again, I am asking you, what law requires a neighborhood watch to register with the police?

Yes, you did say it had to be in your response when you claimed the law disagreed with me.

you are confused..... I said - the law disagrees with you on the part where association would not be held liable for it. they can be and they will be.

 

[Jiro]

You sure?

Ha, yeah, maybe he made it up. Hey Jiro, where is the proof?

yup. pretty sure.

did you even read the articles I posted in Post #614?

Zimmerman was the point person for the subdivision's Neighborhood Watch. The September edition of the community's newsletter stated: "To receive Neighborhood Watch updates, safety tips and be noticed [sic] of any suspicious activity within your community, call George Zimmerman," and included his phone number, which has since been disconnected.

 

[Steinhauer]

you are confused..... I said - the law disagrees with you on the part where association would not be held liable for it. they can be and they will be.

I had never said that. I said that the neighborhood watch did not have to be registered. Your immediate reply was that the law disagreed with me.

We are both talking about two separate issues altogether and I believe you may have misunderstood what I was saying.

 

[Jiro]

Some articles said that he was self-appointed meaning he was actually not a member. Right?

it's a FACT that he self-appointed himself as Neighborhood Watch Captain.... and there's nobody else. It's just him. There's no rule or guideline or whatsoever for this so-called neighborhood watch program. There's no oversight either.

 

[Jiro]

I had never said that. I said that the neighborhood watch did not have to be registered. Your immediate reply was that the law disagreed with me.

We are both talking about two separate issues altogether and I believe you may have misunderstood what I was saying.

again... you misunderstood. please read back and read very carefully. the answer is right there.

First few posts -

Trayvon Martin: homeowners could pay in Trayvon Martin case - Orlando Sentinel

what a shame.... the association should have hired a real private security firm. This so-called neighborhood watch isn't even registered with Sanford Police Department.

It doesn't have to be.

well the law disagrees with you. whether or not if Zimmerman is innocent, the association is still held liable for it. civil lawsuit, you know?

I explained that since this so-called neighborhood watch program isn't registered, the association can get held liable for what happened to Trayvon. get it now?

either way - we can dance around and point finger - "no you misunderstood. no you!" or we can drop that farce and move on now that we both understand each other clearly.

 

[Jiro]

Wait, first you said you didn't chide anybody as racist at all. Now you did, but it was mild?

And aren't you the one who made the shocking admission that you are so comfortable with the idea of using a racial slur in anger that you were under the impression that *everybody* does it?

Nope, everybody does not do that. Apparently you do, or you wouldn't think 'everybody' does, right?

It's strange to see somebody so comfortable with using racial slurs just because you lose your temper thinking he has the moral high ground in a discussion involving race.

please do keep it up with this same ole' "I'm not racist! my neighbor's black!" song along with the insidious "passive aggressive" racist attitude. everybody is racist to a certain degree. to deny it is the most racist one.

 

[Reba]

Ironically, this afternoon I got this message on my neighborhood forum:

"I can't say enough in appreciation of the responsiveness of Xxxxxxx County Sheriff's Deputies. They listen to concerns, and they respond immediately. Two detained, with one juvenile arrested this AM on Xxxxxxx Street. The message is this- they mean business. Illegal activity isn't tolerated. And sitting in the back of a patrol car waiting on your parents is not a kid's favorite way to start spring break. Parents probably not happy, but it might have saved some families from later grief. Thank you, Xxxx Xxxxx."

(This is from the county side of our subdivision.)

 

[Jiro]

Trayvon Martin Case: Police Video Shows No Blood, Bruises On George Zimmerman After Killing

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

 

[kokonut]

Ironically, this afternoon I got this message on my neighborhood forum:

"I can't say enough in appreciation of the responsiveness of Xxxxxxx County Sheriff's Deputies. They listen to concerns, and they respond immediately. Two detained, with one juvenile arrested this AM on Xxxxxxx Street. The message is this- they mean business. Illegal activity isn't tolerated. And sitting in the back of a patrol car waiting on your parents is not a kid's favorite way to start spring break. Parents probably not happy, but it might have saved some families from later grief. Thank you, Xxxx Xxxxx."

(This is from the county side of our subdivision.)

What's ironic about it?

 

[Jiro]

Zimmerman

Conversations with several residents, however, suggest that Zimmerman’s calls reflect a wider feeling of concern and distrust in the community. For years, Twin Lakes residents had been on edge—demonstrated by their decision last September to start a neighborhood-watch organization, which was initiated by Zimmerman himself. The burglary of Olivia Bertalan’s home was just one of at least eight reported over the previous 14 months—several of which, neighbors said, involved young black men. On Feb. 26, the odds were stacked against Martin: he was a young black man in a neighborhood that was feeling besieged by crime and blaming it—fairly or not—on people who looked like him.

so does this answer your question, TXGolfer and CrazyPaul?

 

[Reba]

What's ironic about it?

That we're discussing neighborhood crime watches, and I had posted about my neighborhood set up, and then this very day there is this real life example that happened. It shows how handling suspicious teens in a different way can have a better outcome.

I thought the timing of such an event was ironic. If not, no loss.

 

[Reba]

Trayvon Martin Case: Police Video Shows No Blood, Bruises On George Zimmerman After Killing

Personally, I thought it was unprofessional and unethical of the funeral man to make any comments at all. He's supposed to keep his work confidential for the sake of his clients. Also, he's not a medical examiner, is he?

 

[Steinhauer]

again... you misunderstood. please read back and read very carefully. the answer is right there.

First few posts -






I explained that since this so-called neighborhood watch program isn't registered, the association can get held liable for what happened to Trayvon. get it now?

either way - we can dance around and point finger - "no you misunderstood. no you!" or we can drop that farce and move on now that we both understand each other clearly.

Ok .... I re-read it. I stated that a neighborhood watch did not have to be registered with the police. You said the law disagreed with me.

What law? Where is there a law stating a neighborhood watch has to be registered?

 

[Reba]

"Our Participants Handbook states, "Always remember that your responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police/sheriff." Neighborhood Watch participants act as additional eyes and ears for law enforcement.
They do not take the law into their own hands.
We Look Out For Each Other is our motto."


Home - National Neighborhood Watch Institute

 

[Reba]

How to set up a community crime watch, and the rules:


Dorchester County Sheriffs Office, South Carolina

"Neighborhood Watch does NOT mean being a vigilante. Participants do not confront suspects or take any personal risk at all."

 

[Jiro]

Ok .... I re-read it. I stated that a neighborhood watch did not have to be registered with the police. You said the law disagreed with me.

What law? Where is there a law stating a neighborhood watch has to be registered?

See Post #648

 

[Jiro]

Personally, I thought it was unprofessional and unethical of the funeral man to make any comments at all. He's supposed to keep his work confidential for the sake of his clients. Also, he's not a medical examiner, is he?

I'm sure he had a permission to make a comment publicly. And he has never claimed to be a medical examiner.

Now I wonder if medical examiner's report shares same observation.

 

[kokonut]

Personally, I thought it was unprofessional and unethical of the funeral man to make any comments at all. He's supposed to keep his work confidential for the sake of his clients. Also, he's not a medical examiner, is he?

He is not. Professionally, he should've deferred to a medical examiner who is qualified to make a medical statement. Autopsy results won't be revealed until the proper time.
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"In Florida when a death is being actively investigated by any agency ... the autopsy information is shielded under the Florida public records law until the investigation becomes un-active, or inactive," Byron told the IBTimes via phone Wednesday morning. "So in this case I think we can all agree this is an active death investigation, so what I need to do is refer all calls to the State Attorney's Office in Jacksonville."

Jackelyn Barnard, spokeswoman for State Attorney Angela Corey's office, addressed her office's position via e-mail to the IBTimes on Wednesday:

"The autopsy report cannot be released at this time," she wrote. "By law, we are not allowed to release any information/documents involved in the investigation."

The death of Trayvon Martin late last month has snowballed into a national issue. The teen was shot dead by George Zimmerman on a Florida street while wearing a hoodie and carrying nothing more than an iced tea and bag of Skittles.

The autopsy will answer many questions about the case, as Zimmerman -- who has not been charged or arrested in connection with the killing -- accused Martin of looking like he was on drugs before he shot him on Feb. 26. An autopsy and toxicology report will prove once and for all whether or not Martin -- who was suspended from school shortly before his death for possessing a bag with trace amounts of marijuana in it -- was actually on drugs his last day.

Zimmerman also told police that he and Martin engaged in a violent physical confrontation before he shot the boy, and an autopsy report will help reveal the veracity of that claim, as signs of a struggle may be found during the examination of a victim's body.[/QUOTE]

A funeral person is seeing a body that is weeks old vs a medical examiner seeing the body several hours old would have on hand fresher and more apparent evidence. If the funeral man was indeed a professional he/she would've deferred to the medical examiner for any questions regarding apparent injuries. Apparently he/she appears not to be so.

EXCLUSIVE: Trayvon Martin Autopsy Status Discussed By Florida Officials - International Business Times

 

[Jiro]

He is not. Professionally, he should've deferred to a medical examiner who is qualified to make a medical statement. Autopsy results won't be revealed until the proper time.
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Jackelyn Barnard, spokeswoman for State Attorney Angela Corey's office, addressed her office's position via e-mail to the IBTimes on Wednesday:

"The autopsy report cannot be released at this time," she wrote. "By law, we are not allowed to release any information/documents involved in the investigation."

The death of Trayvon Martin late last month has snowballed into a national issue. The teen was shot dead by George Zimmerman on a Florida street while wearing a hoodie and carrying nothing more than an iced tea and bag of Skittles.

The autopsy will answer many questions about the case, as Zimmerman -- who has not been charged or arrested in connection with the killing -- accused Martin of looking like he was on drugs before he shot him on Feb. 26. An autopsy and toxicology report will prove once and for all whether or not Martin -- who was suspended from school shortly before his death for possessing a bag with trace amounts of marijuana in it -- was actually on drugs his last day.

Zimmerman also told police that he and Martin engaged in a violent physical confrontation before he shot the boy, and an autopsy report will help reveal the veracity of that claim, as signs of a struggle may be found during the examination of a victim's body

A funeral person is seeing a body that is weeks old vs a medical examiner seeing the body several hours old would have on hand fresher and more apparent evidence. If the funeral man was indeed a professional he/she would've deferred to the medical examiner for any questions regarding apparent injuries. Apparently he/she appears not to be so.

EXCLUSIVE: Trayvon Martin Autopsy Status Discussed By Florida Officials - International Business Times

so was it illegal for funeral director to make such comment? was he serving in an official capacity?

oh btw - if the wound was visible on Trayvon's body as recorded by medical examiner, the would will still be there. dead body does not heal.