Boot Camp Experience and Discussions

[Jiro]

Have you read Reba's first post #3 about the difference?

they are same in structure. self-discipline, self-respect, and respect to authority. you said boot camp teaches abuse and violence. care to elaborate?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I think that prisons should be converted into centers for healing, personally. So I don't think boot camp or prison is the solution.

And yes you guessed right -- more love and compassion.

Yes I second that.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

they are same in structure. self-discipline, self-respect, and respect to authority. you said boot camp teaches abuse and violence. care to elaborate?

As what you says they are the same which mean that I am right because soliders abuse and torture innocents in military prisons.

But I never heard that soliders was being killed by military boot army but boot camp for troubled teens that's why I said that military boot army and boot camp for troubled teens are different like what Reba mentioned in her first post. If you strongly claim that they are same then I am right about teach soliders to abuse and volience, that's how they did to innocents in military prisons.

 

[Jiro]

Find out what kind of problem the teenagers have belongs to PATIENCE & understanding... It look like that some parents have no patience with their teenage children, that's how it lead severe problems because they feel that their parents have no understand for them but comfortable for them to say or threat their teenage children for send them to Boot Camp for their disrespectful behavior. Teenagers need understanding parents if they want to talk with them over problems, etc.

again - i said boot camp is the LAST resort. don't forget - once they're 18 years old, they're no longer your responsibility. I don't know what you prefer - boot camp or prison.

if all options have been exhausted and nothing helps... boot camp's the way to go.

 

[Jiro]

As what you says they are the same which mean that I am right because soliders abuse and torture innocents in military prisons.

But I never heard that soliders was being killed by military boot army but boot army for troubled teens that's why I said that military boot army and boot army for troubled teens are different like what Reba mentioned in her first post. If you strongly claim that they are same then I am right about teach soliders to abuse and volience, that's how they did to innocents in military prisons.

I'm going to ignore this post. It is very insulting of you to say this, considering you work at military facility. shameful... shameful..... <shaking my head>

 

[Liebling:-)))]

that is my point - parents have done everything as much as they can but the problem is not fixed. what's next? boot camp

PATIENCE AND TIME is parent's job, not just several weeks or months then send them off to Boot Camp.

some... how many is that?

Yes, I said "some" because they created several threads about Boot Army in past years but I would suggest you to ask google to compare "some" threads here. Not just AD Forum but websites at google.

 

[Jiro]

PATIENCE AND TIME is parent's job, not just several weeks or months then send them off to Boot Camp.

huh? several weeks or months? lady.... you are mistaken... i'm taking about YEARS. that's why I call it LAST RESORT. therapy doesn't take weeks to take effect. Boot Camp as last resort is because YEARS of alternative ways have failed. YEARS, comprende?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm going to ignore this post. It is very insulting of you to say that, considering you work at military facility. shameful... shameful..... <shaking my head>

I'm sorry that you don't want to see it but it's truth. I know for years before I registered AD here. I keep myself quiet because Americans claimed that the photos are false as I first registered in 2004... until the proofs come.... and know that they are not false.

I only support all good soliders. I don't support the bad soliders who torture the innocents people in prisons. Good thing is I don't work for military prison here in Germany.

 

[Jiro]

I'm sorry that you don't want to see it but it's truth. I only support all good soliders. I don't support the bad soliders who torture the innocents people in prisons. Good thing is I don't work for military prison here in Germany.

get this straight, lady... it's the "Independent Contractor" who tortured them.. not military soldiers, ok? They work for Titan Corp. and CACI International Inc.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

again - i said boot camp is the LAST resort. don't forget - once they're 18 years old, they're no longer your responsibility. I don't know what you prefer - boot camp or prison.

if all options have been exhausted and nothing helps... boot camp's the way to go.

Huh? 18 years old is an adult...

We are here to talk about teenage which mean is between 14 and 17+ years old.

As what you talk about 18 years old as an adult age... If my 18 years old son do not follow my house rules then he is free to leave my house to look for somewhere to live with better rule than my house rule. If he want to live in my house then obey my rule.

You teach small children to develop into teenage to learn what respect and consequence is about.

 

[Jiro]

Huh? 18 years old is an adult...

We are here to talk about teenage which mean is between 14 and 17+ years old.

As what you talk about 18 years old as an adult age... If my 18 years old son do not follow my house rules then he is free to leave my house to look for somewhere to live with better rule than my house rule. If he want to live in my house then obey my rule.

You teach small children to develop into teenage to learn what respect and consequence is about.

Btw - teenage starts at 13 and ends at 19, not 14 and 17+. Like I said - Don't you want to help the kids before they turn 18? and why would you want to release your 18 years old troubled teen to public? You are basically releasing your own child to public who will hurt us. How irresponsible of you...

why do you keep misunderstanding my posts? Please read post carefully. I am not talking about 18+ years old. I'm talking about what can you do if nothing works for your kid before he turns 18? boot camp, yes?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Btw - teenage starts at 13 and ends at 19, not 14 and 17+. Like I said - Don't you want to help the kids before they turn 18? and why would you want to release your 18 years old troubled teen to public? You are basically releasing your own child to public who will hurt us. How irresponsible of you...

why do you keep misunderstanding my posts? Please read post carefully. I am not talking about 18+ years old. I'm talking about what can you do if nothing works for your kid before he turns 18? boot camp, yes?

Excuse me, you have no idea what you are saying here. I know what I am saying because I am mother of 2 teenage sons.

Teach children about love and respect at EARLY age (I mean small children, not teens) before they hit puberty -teenage is the best because they will know what respect and positive consequence is about.

It's too late to teach teens about positive thing, no wonder why they don't know what respect is about but rebel against parents.

I still do not support boot camp but I do support to take my son to therapy, counsellor etc if it doesn't work on my son. My oldest son had ADD when he was toddler... I know right way that he had ADD when he was 6 months old due hyper behavior. I accompanied my son to therapies when he was a little boy... Now he is soon to be 16 years old and attended college since last September 2008. Thanks to my good patience.

I do not send my 13 to 17+ years old son to Boot camp because he disrespect my rule.... :roll: The teenagers are being taught about responsiblity, etc before they reach 18. I would suggest my 18+ years old son to live somewhere under the landlord who have better rules than my rules if he don't agree with my rules.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

DS are not allowed to physically abuse them? But they do. In fact I have several friends that were raped in boot camp situations, male and female. Tell me that is not abuse. The rules may officially say abuse is not allowed, but it happens anyway, which is why I find boot camp situations to be abusive. I also find the way DS yell to be verbally abusive.

And I can assure you that none of my friends came out of boot camp a better person. In fact most of them just had more anger towards society, and most of my boot camp friends are no longer communicating with their parents because they feel the fact their parents put them in that situation is unforgivable. As for their respect for authority--it has only decreased. My boot camp friends have learned that "authority and respect" justifies abuse. That under the name of "authority and abuse," things like rape and physical abuse happen.

So that is why I don't think boot camp is a solution for troubled teens. If anything, it only makes them more troubled.

I agree totally what you wrote here.

 

[Jiro]

Excuse me, you have no idea what you are saying here. I know what I am saying because I am mother of 2 teenage sons.

Teach children about love and respect at EARLY age (I mean small children, not teens) before they hit puberty -teenage is the best because they will know what respect and positive consequence is about.

It's too late to teach teens about positive thing, no wonder why they don't know what respect is about but rebel against parents.

I still do not support boot army but I do support to take my son to therapy, counsellor etc if it doesn't work on my son. My oldest son had ADD when he was toddler... I know right way that he had ADD when he was 6 months old due hyper behavior. I accompanied my son to therapies when he was a little boy... Now he is soon to be 16 years old and attended college since last September 2008. Thanks to my good patience.

I do not send my 13 to 17+ years old son to Boot Army because he disrespect my rule.... :roll: The teenagers are being taught about responsiblity, etc before they reach 18. I would suggest my 18+ years old son to live somewhere under the landlord who have better rules than my rules if he don't agree with my rules.

um.... we're not talking about a typical rebellious child......... not the one who took a cookie before dinner.. not the one who came home 1 hour past curfew hour. we're talking about out-of-control kids where years of therapies did not work.. the one who is violent and uncontrollable. the one who did drug, crime, hurt family members, etc.

did you know at our juvenile court - the judge gives them a choice - either a prison or boot camp? 1 year at boot camp or 3 years at juvenile jail (something like that)

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Thanks...he has always had problems since he was a baby..he has bipolar and is oh gosh, I forgot the word...devaint something...for 20 years, it was always something with him. It is tough but we all have accepted it and try to help when we can but only HE can be ready to accept the help. He is not ready now.

I'm very sorry to hear about your youngest brother. I am hoping that your brother do realize that he needs the help.

It does same with my 23 years old nephew as well. He suffer ODD - I would say personality disorder... that's why he was being seek a professional help is counsellor, therapies, etc to junville when he was between 13 and 17 years old.... He was troubled with police dozen of times and mugged the people for money when he was teenage between 13 and 17 years old... He was locked at secure home but it goes worst.... Accord the doctor order, it's not possible to send him to secure home so the court order to send him to physical clinic, counsellor, etc. to Junville. Work together with him patience.... Now he is 23 years old... I'm not saying that he is 100% super but just say that he is good... but really sad about him and his past childhood...

 

[Foxrac]

No, Boot camp does not teach troubled teens to be self-respect, self-discipline, etc but abuse and volience.

Oh please, not ALWAYS at time, there's many teens in America has been success to improve their behavior after got out of bootcamp and it does work on certain teens, if your teenager is very aggressive and you couldn't find any solution, including therapist then bootcamp would be your last choice or send to juvenile if you don't approve on bootcamp.

Bootcamp is part of our American culture and it shouldn't shut down because other people from oversea who disagree and want shut down.

I wouldn't recommended any teenagers who have mental illness to send to bootcamp, it's very bad practice but normal teenagers are fine because they could motivate to success their life.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

um.... we're not talking about a typical rebellious child......... not the one who took a cookie before dinner.. not the one who came home 1 hour past curfew hour. we're talking about out-of-control kids where years of therapies did not work.. the one who is violent and uncontrollable. the one who did drug, crime, hurt family members, etc.

did you know at our juvenile court - the judge gives them a choice - either a prison or boot camp? 1 year at boot camp or 3 years at juvenile jail (something like that)

Yes, I know what troubled teens is about... - disrespectful... rebell.... violate the public law and rules... like voilence, abuse, etc. like what I said about my nephew in my previous post. He hurt his own mother (my sister)... and damage furniture with knife, etc. mugged the people for money.... etc. I just read in google about Boot Army few minutes ago that many parents can't cope with their rebel teenagers over disobey their rules and ask for advice... Guess what, some of them received their advice is send to boot camp which I don't agree.

Yes, I have read one of websites that the parents are deep regret with their decision for pick Boot Camp over Juvenille jail... Guess what, their son killed by camp guards...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Oh please, not ALWAYS at time, there's many teens in America has been success to improve their behavior after got out of bootcamp and it does work on certain teens, if your teenager is very aggressive and you couldn't find any solution, including therapist then bootcamp would be your last choice or send to juvenile if you don't approve on bootcamp.

Bootcamp is part of our American culture and it shouldn't shut down because other people from oversea who disagree and want shut down.

Yes, I respect your view on Boot camp. Yes I disagree what and how they did to troubled teens at Boot camp is my opinion.

I wouldn't recommended any teenagers who have mental illness to send to bootcamp, it's very bad practice but normal teenagers are fine because they could motivate to success their life.

Yes I agree with you on this.

 

[Foxrac]

Yes, I respect your view on Boot Army. Yes I disagree what and how they did to troubled teens at Boot Army is my opinion.




Yes I agree with you on this.

Does your country has bootcamp?

 

[Jiro]

Yes, I have read one of websites that the parents are deep regret with their decision for pick Boot Camp over Juvenille jail... Guess what, their son killed by camp guards...

I don't to sound insensitive but yea so? Driving is #1 killer for teenagers. Should we ban it until they get older?