Boot Camp Experience and Discussions

[Jiro]

Once my dad starts drinking, he can talk about anything...just have to wait until he consumes at least 5 beer cans, then I will ask him. I am bad, arent I?

that's just so mean but hey - you have my permission to do so.

 

[Calvin]

Once my dad starts drinking, he can talk about anything...just have to wait until he consumes at least 5 beer cans, then I will ask him. I am bad, arent I?

no hurry

 

[shel90]

ooooo ok! thanks. sorry to hear. i hope he gets his acts together.

Thanks...he has always had problems since he was a baby..he has bipolar and is oh gosh, I forgot the word...devaint something...for 20 years, it was always something with him. It is tough but we all have accepted it and try to help when we can but only HE can be ready to accept the help. He is not ready now.

 

[Smithtr]

I think so good point to boot camp deaf conquence to trouble worst to bad things. i think so try better communication to deaf. I don't have boot camp I need to treatment to support to mental illness...... I think so important to support to health development to grow change control to order you listen to must to parents but deaf people don;t listen to trouble i think so not good point.

 

[Jiro]

Thanks...he has always had problems since he was a baby..he has bipolar and is oh gosh, I forgot the word...devaint something...for 20 years, it was always something with him. It is tough but we all have accepted it and try to help when we can but only HE can be ready to accept the help. He is not ready now.

bipolar?? boot camp is NOT the right place for it. i don't condone sending kids with mental illness to boot camps... no matter how severe the behavior is.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Thanks...he has always had problems since he was a baby..he has bipolar and is oh gosh, I forgot the word...devaint something...for 20 years, it was always something with him. It is tough but we all have accepted it and try to help when we can but only HE can be ready to accept the help. He is not ready now.

Would that be Oppositional Deviant/Defiant Disorder? [ODD]

Oppositional defiant disorder is a psychiatric category listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders where it is described as an ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile, and defiant behavior toward authority figures which goes beyond the bounds of normal childhood behavior.

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ODD requires a lot of patience and persistence to work with.

 

[shel90]

Would that be Oppositional Deviant/Defiant Disorder? [ODD]


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ODD requires a lot of patience and persistence to work with.

YES!!! thank u!!! Yep, that'swhat he has and my dad and stepmom told me that they believe someday he will kill the family one day. He is dangerous...scary to have a family member who is capable of becoming a murderer...I love him but we arent blind to what he is capable of.

 

[shel90]

bipolar?? boot camp is NOT the right place for it. i don't condone sending kids with mental illness to boot camps... no matter how severe the behavior is.

At that time, he hadnt been properly diagnosed ...we all thought he was rebellious...finally, he was diagnosed at the age of 18.

 

[Jiro]

At that time, he hadnt been properly diagnosed ...we all thought he was rebellious...finally, he was diagnosed at the age of 18.

good gracious! i'm glad he's properly diagnosed... what now?

 

[shel90]

good gracious! i'm glad he's properly diagnosed... what now?

he is properly diagnosed but he is an adult now and he "thinks" he doesnt need the medicine and isnt consistent about taking them so hence his "dangerous" behavior occurring more and more. He shot up his former's roommate dresser when he got into an argument with the girlfriend. She was standing there when he did that...he could have easily turned around and pointed the gun at her and shot her up. I am sorry to say this about my brother but honestly, he is really f****cked up. I wish he was still a kid so my dad and stepmom can have full control of him but he is an adult now and solely responsible for himself which makes things more frightening for all of us. I really feel for my dad and stepmom...he was her firstborn. I cant imagine as a mom what she must be going thru...

 

[Jiro]

he is properly diagnosed but he is an adult now and he "thinks" he doesnt need the medicine and isnt consistent about taking them so hence his "dangerous" behavior occurring more and more. He shot up his former's roommate dresser when he got into an argument with the girlfriend. She was standing there when he did that...he could have easily turned around and pointed the gun at her and shot her up. I am sorry to say this about my brother but honestly, he is really f****cked up. I wish he was still a kid so my dad and stepmom can have full control of him but he is an adult now and solely responsible for himself which makes things more frightening for all of us. I really feel for my dad and stepmom...he was her firstborn. I cant imagine as a mom what she must be going thru...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm with most of Miss Bucket's posts. I do not support Boot Camp on troubled teens.

It's parent's job to find out something wrong with their teens. If I have problem with my teenage son then it's my job to find out myself and work out with him and tries to understand him and his feeling.

I learn from some threads for several years here negative over Boot Camps. Some teenagers killed by torture/abuse there and also including plenty of horrible links about them.

 

[Jiro]

I'm with most of Miss Bucket's posts. I do not support Boot Camp on troubled teens.

It's parent's job to find out something wrong with their teens. If I have problem with my teenage son then it's my job to find out myself and work out with him and tries to understand him and his feeling.

that is my point - parents have done everything as much as they can but the problem is not fixed. what's next? boot camp

I learn from some threads for several years here negative over Boot Camps. Some teenagers killed by torture/abuse there and also including plenty of horrible links about them.

some... how many is that?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

love and compassion got nowhere. Think about how family members and counselors have tried with love & compassion. It got nowhere so Boot Camp is the last resort. Most troubled teens have one same problem - lack of respect to authority and rules. It's the first step to tackling the problems.

Find out what kind of problem the teenagers have belongs to PATIENCE & understanding... It look like that some parents have no patience with their teenage children, that's how it lead severe problems because they feel that their parents have no understand for them but comfortable for them to say or threat their teenage children for send them to Boot Camp for their disrespectful behavior. Teenagers need understanding parents if they want to talk with them over problems, etc.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

yes it costs money but hey... it's cheaper than rehabilitation, legal fees, doctors, etc... right?

I don't know about America... but here in Germany, rehabilitation is pay by health insurance to help troubled teens.

Accord your post, I assume that we have to pay rehabiltation, etc out of our pocket, not health insurance... If yes, I would choose rehabiltation over Boot Camp when I live in America.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

both boot camp and military boot camp teach same thing - self-respect, self-discipline, and a respect to authority.

some boot camps are bad, many are good, and a few are very effective (usually for "very damaged troubled teens")

No, Boot camp does not teach troubled teens to be self-respect, self-discipline, etc but abuse and volience.

 

[Jiro]

No, Boot camp does not teach troubled teens to be self-respect, self-discipline, etc but abuse and volience.

that's funny you say that.... you work at military facility where all men and women have gone thru boot camps... are they abusive and violent? :scratch:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I want to add one more thing - I'm not sure why you're complaining about Boot Camp. Are you getting a preconceived notion that DS (Drill Sergeant) are abusive? If you ask me - boot camp is a hell lot better option than juvenile prison. Mind you - DS are NOT allowed to physically-abuse them and they are not allowed to confine them in inhumane conditions such as stripped naked in isolated concrete room.

You know why troubled teens can say fark off, cause trouble, etc? because they know they will not get a repercussion. At boot camp - you will pay for your action. you will learn about responsibility and rules. Tell me that is better than juvenile prison.

Not really, my nephew was sent to Juvenile prison when he was teenager...(now he is soon to be 23 years old). There're rehab., therapies, assistance, etc., plenty of sports, positive discipline how to positive their life... Many teenagers have very low self-estreem - they need help to boost their self-esteem...

I don't agree that Boot Camp teachs troubled teens about responsiblity but abuse and volience.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

that's funny you say that.... you work at military facility where all men and women have gone thru boot camps... are they abusive and violent? :scratch:

Have you read Reba's first post #3 about the difference?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If boot camp has to be the very last resort, I would fear for the general public when those troubled teens are finished with boot camp. Take Jeffrey Dahmer, his father sent him to boot camp. Boot camp sent him off to the other end and a murder spree.

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Timothy McVeigh went to boot camp and he was a troubled teen. He went off the worse end and blew up the OKC building.

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You see why I am quite hesitant about using boot camp as a very last last last resort.

There was a TV program last year where only young children had to operate a small town all on their own. They were dropped off in a deserted town and they had to fend for themselves using their intelligence and manual labour. Kid Nation is what I believe can replace boot camp.

Yeah I'm not surprise about this...