Across country, GOP pushes photo ID at the polls

[TheOracle]

right.... look at the word that precedes "immigrant"

Yup...AND YET YOU SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO BE AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

lolity

you lose

 

[Reba]

Reba: I'm not confused on terms. I just don't use that kind of language in my everday speak in the classroom. It's not helpful. It's not a caring classroom community. It serves no purpose. If you want to complain, you may certainly write to the Colorado Board of Education and challenge my qualifications as a teacher.

It's a shame that the children are misled that way.

It wouldn't do any good to complain because I'm sure most state boards are fully entrenched in pc liberalism.

 

[TheOracle]

It's a shame that the children are misled that way.

It wouldn't do any good to complain because I'm sure most state boards are fully entrenched in pc liberalism.

Hm...I'm sorry you think children are misled because I say "undocumented immigrant".

Also, you can write to the State Board of Education and ask them to stop buying history texbooks that define "immigrant" the same way Webster's does.

It would help your cause, no?

 

[TheOracle]

Oh, you should also write to every newspaper in the United States so that they stop saying things like "Immigration is a hot-button issue" and "Illegal immigration" and so forth and so on. It just misleads everybody!

 

[Reba]

Oh, right...and people on AD are disabled...

As Potts and pfh like to point out, it's semantics. I wouldn't say, "This is my friend pfh and he's disabled." What's the point of that? He may be legally disabled, but that's not an appropriate characterization of him as a person.

What a goofy example!

I wouldn't introduce my friend saying, "This is my friend J*****a and she is an illegal alien."

 

[Jiro]

Says the guy who says "illegal immigrant".

I am aware of the term.

Reba: I'm not confused on terms. I just don't use that kind of language in my everday speak in the classroom. It's not helpful. It's not a caring classroom community. It serves no purpose. If you want to complain, you may certainly write to the Colorado Board of Education and challenge my qualifications as a teacher.

since you're so passionate about getting them naturalized... you might want to start teaching them legal procedures and proper terms.... not euphemism or culturally-sensitive words.

 

[TheOracle]

I also wouldn't say that people on AD largely have disabilities.

 

[TheOracle]

I am aware of the term.


since you're so passionate about getting them naturalized... you might want to start teaching them legal procedures and proper terms.... not euphemism or culturally-sensitive words.

Sure, if they are in my Civics class.

*edit So you realize you were incorrect in using the term "illegal immigrant"?

 

[Reba]

Hm...I'm sorry you think children are misled because I say "undocumented immigrant".

Yes, they are misled. They trust you as their teacher to use proper terminology. They will believe that "undocumented immigrant" is a real term, and thus perpetuate the error.

Also, you can write to the State Board of Education and ask them to stop buying history texbooks that define "immigrant" the same way Webster's does.

Don't get me started on textbooks.

It would help your cause, no?

My cause? What would that be?

 

[Jiro]

Yup...AND YET YOU SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO BE AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

lolity

you lose

where did I say that?

 

[Reba]

Oh, you should also write to every newspaper in the United States so that they stop saying things like "Immigration is a hot-button issue" and "Illegal immigration" and so forth and so on. It just misleads everybody!

Newspaper writing standards are pretty shabby these days.

 

[TheOracle]

Yes, they are misled. They trust you as their teacher to use proper terminology. They will believe that "undocumented immigrant" is a real term, and thus perpetuate the error.

<snorts> It's part of the American lexicon.

Well, I also use Spanglish on occasion in private convos with students...you going to complain about that? :roll:

I guess I should have them take out their notebooks and red pens everytime they read current events...you know...so they know the "real" terms.

 

[Jiro]

Sure, if they are in my Civics class.

*edit So you realize you were incorrect in using the term "illegal immigrant"?

no.

I do know it's a politically-charged word to score easy votes from angry voters but it is not an incorrect term.

the alternative term for "illegal immigrant" is undocumented immigrant.... or illegal alien.

 

[TheOracle]

where did I say that?

LEMME HELP YOU AGAIN!

sigh.... immigrant means one is granted with permission to live in here permanently.

if one has been here illegally for 11 years, then you are an illegal alien. If you are not documented, then you cannot call yourself as an immigrant. Get yourself documented and then you can call yourself as an immigrant.

Therefore, it is impossible by legal definition (your new standard) to be an illegal (adj) immigrant (n), because an immigrant (n), is one who has permission to reside here.

Comprende?

 

[TheOracle]

no.

I do know it's a politically-charged word to score easy votes from angry voters but it is not an incorrect term.

the alternative term for "illegal immigrant" is undocumented immigrant.... or illegal alien.

And yet...you tried to correct my usage of "undocumented immigrant" !

For shens, kid, you can't have it both ways!

 

[Jiro]

And yet...you tried to correct my usage of "undocumented immigrant" !

For shens, kid, you can't have it both ways!

that was Reba, not me.

 

[Reba]

<snorts> It's part of the American lexicon.

As a teacher, you can't explain to them the difference? You let it slide just because others do?

Well, I also use Spanglish on occasion in private convos with students...you going to complain about that? :roll:

I guess I should have them take out their notebooks and red pens everytime they read current events...you know...so they know the "real" terms.

Whoa! Did I strike a nerve?

 

[Reba]

that was Reba, not me.

Sorry for the collateral damage Jiro.

 

[TheOracle]

As a teacher, you can't explain to them the difference? You let it slide just because others do?

The legal difference? Yeah, that's for Civics.

In everyday usage? What's the point of explaining the difference between informal language use and legal language use every time a word can have dual meanings? We'd spend all freaking day going over words with a fine-tooth comb! Not productive.

 

[Jiro]

LEMME HELP YOU AGAIN!

Therefore, it is impossible by legal definition (your new standard) to be an illegal (adj) immigrant (n), because an immigrant (n), is one who has permission to reside here.

Comprende?

again - a foreigner can move here illegally to live here permanently... hence illegal immigrant but by USCIS definition - that person is illegal alien or undocumented immigrant because federal government has to abide by discrimination law.