Across country, GOP pushes photo ID at the polls

[Jiro]

Sorry for the collateral damage Jiro.

zero injury. zero casualty.

 

[TheOracle]

sigh.... immigrant means one is granted with permission to live in here permanently.

if one has been here illegally for 11 years, then you are an illegal alien. If you are not documented, then you cannot call yourself as an immigrant. Get yourself documented and then you can call yourself as an immigrant.

So, Jiro, you weren't trying to correct me? What? I'm sorry. Who were you talking to? What was the purpose of this post?

 

[Jiro]

The legal difference? Yeah, that's for Civics.

In everyday usage? What's the point of explaining the difference between informal language use and legal language use every time a word can have dual meanings? We'd spend all freaking day going over words with a fine-tooth comb! Not productive.

no need to spend all "freaking" day. the simplest thing you can do is just to stick with legal terms. anything else.... it's nothing but confusion and a waste of time.

 

[Jiro]

So, Jiro, you weren't trying to correct me? What? I'm sorry. Who were you talking to? What was the purpose of this post?

do you comprende the difference between immigrant and illegal immigrant?

I am an immigrant but your student is an illegal immigrant (USCIS: illegal alien).

 

[TheOracle]

again - a foreigner can move here illegally to live here permanently... hence illegal immigrant but by USCIS definition - that person is illegal alien or undocumented immigrant because federal government has to abide by discrimination law.

But you objected to me using these terms in a non-legal, sociology-type manner. Did you not try to correct my use of "undocumented immigrant"? How many times do I have to quote your words?

It sounds like Reba thinks you should always use legal definitions when using these words.

I think it depends on the context.

You seem to think that it's OK for you to use it however you want, but not for others who may not agree with your political opinions. If someone disagrees with you, you try to find fault in their language.

At least Reba is consistent.

 

[TheOracle]

no need to spend all "freaking" day. the simplest thing you can do is just to stick with legal terms. anything else.... it's nothing but confusion and a waste of time.

Yes, and in legal terms, some of my students were "black" or "Asian" instead of "Middle Eastern" not too long ago. Is that helpful? No.

I don't see YOU using legal terms all of the time...

 

[Jiro]

But you objected to me using these terms in a non-legal, sociology-type manner. Did you not try to correct my use of "undocumented immigrant"? How many times do I have to quote your words?

It sounds like Reba thinks you should always use legal definitions when using these words.

I think it depends on the context.

You seem to think that it's OK for you to use it however you want, but not for others who may not agree with your political opinions. If someone disagrees with you, you try to find fault in their language.

At least Reba is consistent.

FYI - I have been trying to correct your definition and reasoning.

example of your erroneous post -
http://www.alldeaf.com/war-politica...-gop-pushes-photo-id-polls-2.html#post1789154
http://www.alldeaf.com/war-politica...-gop-pushes-photo-id-polls-2.html#post1789154

 

[TheOracle]

do you comprende the difference between immigrant and illegal immigrant?

I am an immigrant but your student is an illegal immigrant (USCIS: illegal alien).

Again, were you not trying to correct me? You didn't like my usage of the word. So you gave me UCIS terminology. But when it suits you, you use everyday lexicon. Like it both ways, eh?

 

[Jiro]

Again, were you not trying to correct me? You didn't like my usage of the word. So you gave me UCIS terminology. But when it suits you, you use everyday lexicon. Like it both ways, eh?

again - I was trying to correct your reasoning and logic... not term because you seem confused.

 

[TheOracle]

FYI - I have been trying to correct your definition and reasoning.

example of your erroneous post -
http://www.alldeaf.com/war-politica...-gop-pushes-photo-id-polls-2.html#post1789154
http://www.alldeaf.com/war-politica...-gop-pushes-photo-id-polls-2.html#post1789154

Right. You don't like my definition of immigrant because you want me to use a UCIS definition.

Yet...you don't use those definitions. So why put that burden on me and not yourself?

I never said "undocumented immigrant" was a legal definition. In fact, I specifically said that I was using everyday vocabulary when Reba objected to my terminology.

I'm sorry you got caught being a hypocrite. You don't like, do you?

 

[Jiro]

Yes, and in legal terms, some of my students were "black" or "Asian" instead of "Middle Eastern" not too long ago. Is that helpful? No.

says who?

I don't see YOU using legal terms all of the time...

because they still don't understand despite of repeated posting of USCIS' definition....

 

[Jiro]

Right. You don't like my definition of immigrant because you want me to use a UCIS definition.

Yet...you don't use those definitions. So why put that burden on me and not yourself?

I never said "undocumented immigrant" was a legal definition. In fact, I specifically said that I was using everyday vocabulary when Reba objected to my terminology.

I'm sorry you got caught being a hypocrite. You don't like, do you?

I'm sorry?

 

[TheOracle]

again - I was trying to correct your reasoning and logic... not term because you seem confused.

How am I confused? Just because I don't use the UCIS definitions in my everyday language does not mean I'm confused. It means I choose not to use them, much like I don't use Census terms when I discuss race, heritage, or ethnicity.

But sure...keep on with your silliness.

 

[Jiro]

How am I confused? Just because I don't use the UCIS definitions in my everyday language does not mean I'm confused. It means I choose not to use them, much like I don't use Census terms when I discuss race, heritage, or ethnicity.

But sure...keep on with your silliness.

makes you wonder why this is not getting anywhere.

 

[TheOracle]

says who?


because they still don't understand despite of repeated posting of USCIS' definition....

Who doesn't understand? I understand the difference. I've said that. I just choose one over the other.

 

[Jiro]

Who doesn't understand? I understand the difference. I've said that. I just choose one over the other.

hence... post #134

 

[TheOracle]

YOU use the term "illegal immigrant" to describe someone who has been here awhile and is staying but has no legal documentation. Yes?

If I say, "undocumented immigrant", then you flip because you can't be an immigrant under UCIS definition without documentation.

 

[TheOracle]

best to stick with USCIS definition instead of dictionary.

But that's only when it serves your purpose, right? Yeaaaaaaaaah.

 

[Jiro]

YOU use the term "illegal immigrant" to describe someone who has been here awhile and is staying but has no legal documentation. Yes?

right.

If I say, "undocumented immigrant", then you flip because you can't be an immigrant under UCIS definition without documentation.

that's not what I did. As I thought... you're still confused. oh well... those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it without a sense of ironic futility...

 

[Jiro]

But that's only when it serves your purpose, right? Yeaaaaaaaaah.

actually it's for you because you keep getting confused.... hence it's best to stick with USCIS terms....