9/11 - what happened?

What brought down the three towers?

  • Damage caused directly (for 1 & 2) and indirectly (for 7) by the impact of the plane

    Votes: 44 74.6%

  • Controlled demolition

    Votes: 15 25.4%
  • Total voters
    59
Reba said:
WTC7 was damaged by fire. Even Cloggy admits the building was on fire. (He doesn't agree to the severity of the fire but he does admit the building was burning before it came down.)
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Maybe small amount of fire, How come WTC7 went down many hours after WTC 1 and 2 went down? (WTC7 went down at 5:20pm) (WTC1 went down at 10:28am) (WTC2 went down at 9:59 am) How can a small amount of fire would make the whole 47 story building to fall? How come WTC 5 and 6 were heavy damaged, yet WTC7 is the one that collapsed. Don't make no sense and there should be another investigation.


Please give me a logical reason for that. How would demolishing WTC7 benefit the US government?
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Something for you to read and a video to see....World Trade Center Demolition
 
Liebling:-))) said:

As I see some Americans's posts here didn't know anything about WTC 7 as well.
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That's correct, because I for one was not aware of WTC 7. All I've heard was the Twin Towers, until Cloggy mention WTC7, out of blue. The more I read into that, the more it gets confusing because WTC 7 was farther away from the Twin Towers, and the Government blames it on the fires, It's bullshit.
 
Cheri said:
That's correct, because I for one was not aware of WTC 7. All I've heard was the Twin Towers, until Cloggy mention WTC7, out of blue. The more I read into that, the more it gets confusing because WTC 7 was farther away from the Twin Towers, and the Government blames it on the fires, It's bullshit.
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I also assumed only two towers collapsed....
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Yes, we didn't notice about WTC 7 and also how many towers at first because of too much and was busy to pay our attention on 2 towers and Pentagon until few months later we learned the truth about WTC 7 then.......
 
Cheri said:
That's correct, because I for one was not aware of WTC 7. All I've heard was the Twin Towers, until Cloggy mention WTC7, out of blue. The more I read into that, the more it gets confusing because WTC 7 was farther away from the Twin Towers, and the Government blames it on the fires, It's bullshit.
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Didn't you see it on the news? You may have overlooked that part. I saw it, not only me but my whole family and my friends. We saw it with our own eyes on the day of the attacks. It has been talked about for years even though it may not have been mentioned on the 9/11 commission report.

Some people are saying that it was a missile or a smaller plane that craxhed into the Pentagon but tell me how can 64 lives and some hijackers fit in a missle or a smaller plane?
 
IslandGal said:
Didn't you see it on the news? You may have overlooked that part. I saw it, not only me but my whole family and my friends. We saw it with our own eyes on the day of the attacks. It has been talked about for years even though it may not have been mentioned on the 9/11 commission report.

Some people are saying that it was a missile or a smaller plane that craxhed into the Pentagon but tell me how can 64 lives and some hijackers fit in a missle or a smaller plane?
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FACT is that a 757 doesn't fit. But who's to say that 64 people were recovered from the rubble..... Wasn't it an inferno destroying everything???? How could they recover 180 bodies from an area where "everything was in little pieces".
They lie about 757 entering the building (If it happened, they have the camera from the sheridan and the gas station to show it) so why not lie about dead bodies in there...
You know. I'm sure they are dead. I'm quite sure they didn't die on the plain they boarded. It makes it even more sad. And the more reason to dig deeper.
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What did the government do to investigate the unprecedented collapse of a steel frame building from fires? It gave FEMA the sole discretion to investigate the collapse, even though FEMA is not an investigative agency.
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The Investigation of Building 7's Collapse

the only official organization that reported on Building 7's collapse within two years of the attack, published their Final Report in May of 2002
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FEMA's WTC Building Performance Study

World Trade Center Seven collapsed on September 11, 2001, at 5:20 p.m. There were no known casualties due to this collapse. The performance of WTC 7 is of significant interest because it appears the collapse was due primarily to fire, rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers. On the contrary, it appears the collapse was primarily due to a controlled demolition. Prior to September 11, 2001, there was little, if any, record of fire-induced collapse of large fire-protected steel buildings. Before September 11, no steel framed skyscraper had ever collapsed due to fire.
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the untold story of 7 World Trade Center

The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.
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FEMA's WTC Building Performance Study

Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that's what melted the steel. Indeed it did not, the steel did not melt
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Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?

Firefighter Edward Cachia independently reported:

[We] thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down…It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit.
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Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?

So, Do you want to believe the “official” story that the WTC Buildings collapsed due from fire? Or Do you really want to find out what really caused the WTC Buildings to collapse as they did. All I want is the truth, this is my country, and I am tired of being lied to, by the US Governments for years, When are we going to have at least one President that would never lie to us?
 
Cloggy said:
FACT is that a 757 doesn't fit. But who's to say that 64 people were recovered from the rubble..... Wasn't it an inferno destroying everything???? How could they recover 180 bodies from an area where "everything was in little pieces".
They lie about 757 entering the building (If it happened, they have the camera from the sheridan and the gas station to show it) so why not lie about dead bodies in there...
You know. I'm sure they are dead. I'm quite sure they didn't die on the plain they boarded. It makes it even more sad. And the more reason to dig deeper.
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Tell me where were these people if you say they didn't die on the plane?
 
IslandGal said:
Tell me where were these people if you say they didn't die on the plane?
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I don't know, but what I'm trying to tell you...
That's not the point now. (It's VERY important, but it would be speculation)

The point is: There are questions based on FACTS that the government is not adressing. Questions that can be solved with a simple picture or videotape. Even you don't dare to think of the possibility that it might NOT be a 757, because the idea is too scary..... So, you clamp on to the official story and try to prove that everything around the questions is true... so therefore... the plane fits and wings, tails and 2 engines CAN dissolve in thin air...

I start at the other end. There's no plane. then, what's true of the rest of the story....

And another thing.. It took around a year before the comittee was established, under pressure from the widows of 911!! Other disasters it took 7 to 10 days.
3 million was given initially for the enquiry, another 12 million given later on. Thats 15 million, or 5000 per person that died.
For the Challenger it was 30 to 50 million or at least 4 million per person that died. They spent 60 million on Clinton.... TWA-800 cost about 27 million.
And 911 was finished with 15 million.... $5000 per person!!!
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make me wonder if they shot the plane down somewhere and hide about it?

i recall reading about it somewhere that they prolly did? if its true then its pathetic that they would kill poor souls on the board for political purposes. SICK!
 
SmileyGin said:
make me wonder if they shot the plane down somewhere and hide about it?

i recall reading about it somewhere that they prolly did? if its true then its pathetic that they would kill poor souls on the board for political purposes. SICK!
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View this. (Have someone translate if needed)
 
Reba, why should we repeat to tell you since we have plenty of links to provide here. I had the feeling that you denied all the links, we provdided here. Look at poor and innocent people who have to die. Everywhere in the world knows the oil is the reason, why the people have to die. We all learned from medias, TV news, etc. Everyone knows it´s political purposal. I see that Cloggy made very good posts but you keep on deny it.. Why?
 
:popcorn: Interestin' thread to read. And, yes I would like to know the answers behind the door.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Reba, why should we repeat to tell you since we have plenty of links to provide here.
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None of your links gave a reason (motive) for the supposed conspiracy. No one has given a motive for destroying WTC7.

If you don't feel it's necessary to provide a motive, then I guess there is none, and that the conspiracy theory is meaningless.


I had the feeling that you denied all the links, we provdided here.
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Did you read my response to your post of links? Your links supported my statements. I don't deny them; I embrace them. You actually helped prove my points.



Look at poor and innocent people who have to die.
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That's why we have to fight this evil. If we don't, they will destroy us (and that includes Germany--the Muslims hate Germany, too).


I see that Cloggy made very good posts but you keep on deny it.. Why?
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Because they don't make sense, and they aren't backed up by proof.

Why should I accept every weird website link that paranoid people toss up?
 
Interesting footage,

Think Progress » Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11

a reporter, Ken Herman of Cox News, interrupted to ask what Iraq had to do with 9/11. “Nothing,” Bush defiantly answered.
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Didn't he said from the start that we're going to war in Iraq because of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, war on terrorism, because of 9/11 and didn't he stated that we are either with him or not? I swore those were his words.
 
SmileyGin said:
make me wonder if they shot the plane down somewhere and hide about it?

i recall reading about it somewhere that they prolly did? if its true then its pathetic that they would kill poor souls on the board for political purposes. SICK!
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*thud*

Not you too.
 
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