9/11 - what happened?

[Cloggy]

..........It is totally relevant. No motive = no conspiracy. Not a leg to stand on.......

Well, you have to admire your way of thinking...
No motive.... nothing happened.... no answers needed.

How about...
No answers given, something happened, what's the motive?
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If we ASSUME, that makes an ASS out of U and ME !!!

 

[Reba]

...How about...
No answers given, something happened, what's the motive?

In other words, you're just blowing smoke. I thought so.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Then help me see it. What reason would Bush have to destroy WTC7? What would it accomplish? No one has answered that question.

Yes I answered in my previous posts.

If you are not for the government's answer then why did you post links that support the government? Your links agreed with me. How can you miss that?

I only provided the link where the government denied people´s suggestion and questions. I saw from that link that government denied people´s suggestion. What government answer is not illogical to me.

If any group wants to destroy my country, yes, I consider them evil.

Okay - everyone are when they are being attack by other countries is understandable.

No proof? How can you not see the proof? Where have you been? How can you ignore the obvious, logical proof?

Why government neglect Bin Laden and pay attention on Iraq?

Why solider continue to stay in Iraq after Saddam´s arrest, not send them to Bin Laden´s country and search him no matter either it´s hard to find him or not?

How could you prove that it´s Bin Laden because he denied his responsible for WTC attack?

Government knew Saddam has nothing do with WTC attack but why send his soliders to attack Saddam´s country?

Are you all in such denial?

No

What do you mean "Germans do not take Muslim's hate toward Germany as serious"?

Why should we make hassle against Muslim when they made nonsense words toward us.. . :roll:

Do you need to have them do a 9/11 attack on your country before you wake up?

You can´t use this as an excuse to blame Muslim where you have no proof that it´s really them... You want to beleive it´s Muslim who attack 9/11 without proof is your choice. At first I beleived it´s terrorist who attack 9/11, then later I found the truth and doubt... I am not sure anymore because I need right questions to answer instead of keep on deny....

When they say that they want to destroy you, it is NOT a joke. If you think the Muslims respect you, you are totally unaware of what's happening.

You use Muslim as criminal... I use people as criminal if they want to destory us.

The Muslims in Germany call German women sluts and whores. Does that sound like respect?

Do you mean that ALL muslims call German women sluts and whores? Like what I say before that some people are good or bad. It´s not just muslims but people in the world cussed each other - whore, slut, etc... Remember Muslims are not first in the world who call sluts, whore, etc. - There´re people in the world who call others bad languages. :roll: I never say that I respect bad people. I said that its about respect when there´re good people who have different as us.
Why should I take their nonsense word as serious? :roll: Let them talk whatever they like...

Well, just keep your head in the sand. Your time will come, and then it will be too late to save yourselves.

I beleive to enjoy my life at present, not worry about future... Enjoy until....... If people who worry too much about future then is paraniod...

I've read most of the links and conspiracy websites, and I've seen very little that is believable.

You can't trust what you read just because it pops up on Google. You have to use some critical thinking skills and logic. Do you ever check out who is behind your links?

It´s our decision what we see right or wrong.

 

[Cloggy]

In other words, you're just blowing smoke. I thought so.

I just said: "No answers given, something happened, what's the motive?"

Interesting conclusion... Does that work for you in real life, accusing poeple without grounds...??

 

[Reba]

Interesting conclusion... Does that work for you in real life, accusing poeple without grounds...??

As I recall, you're the one making accusations of cover up and lies. I haven't accused anyone of anything except weirdness of their websites.

 

[Cloggy]

As I recall, you're the one making accusations of cover up and lies. I haven't accused anyone of anything except weirdness of their websites.

I did NOT start about coverups. I started about questions that were not answered.
About weired websides..

You quoted a webside where "no defense system is there because there's no picture" BUT "the plane was there, even though there's no picture"

Talk about weired websides!

 

[Reba]

Yes I answered in my previous posts.

Then I must have missed it.

Briefly, what is the reason that Bush would destroy WTC7? How did he think that action would benefit him?

I only provided the link where the government denied people´s suggestion and questions.

No, they didn't deny them; they debunked them (proved them wrong).

Why government neglect Bin Laden and pay attention on Iraq?

I don't know but that doesn't have anything to do with WTC7.

...send them to Bin Laden´s country and search him no matter either it´s hard to find him or not?

Bin Laden doesn't have a country now. He travels and hide in various countries.

How could you prove that it´s Bin Laden because he denied his responsible for WTC attack?

He has bragged abut his terrorist attacts on recent video tapes.

Why should we make hassle against Muslim when they made nonsense words toward us.. .

If they make threats, you should be alowed to protect yourselves.

You can´t use this as an excuse to blame Muslim where you have no proof that it´s really them... You want to beleive it´s Muslim who attack 9/11 without proof is your choice.

It's not an excuse, and they bragged about it themselves, on tape.

You use Muslim as criminal... I use people as criminal if they want to destory us.

Well, then, that means Muslims are criminals because they want to destroy you.

Do you mean that ALL muslims call German women sluts and whores?

If the German women aren't Muslim, and they wear modern clothing, then yes.

...Why should I take their nonsense word as serious?

Because you don't want to die?

I beleive to enjoy my life at present, not worry about future... Enjoy until....... If people who worry too much about future then is paraniod...

If you don't plan for your future, you might not have a future.

It´s our decision what we see right or wrong.

GIGO

 

[Cloggy]

........Briefly, what is the reason that Bush would destroy WTC7? How did he think that action would benefit him?........

Before you ask for the reason... ask why it collapsed..
Engineers, architects and history all show that fire cannot be the reason that it was brought down.
The way it came down implied demolition. In fact, the owner tells us that is was demolished. They made it happen.

Now it is for the goverment to explain WHY they demolished it.
Do a search and find out what was in that buildings.....

You are asking US why they did it. The point is.. this question was asked to the government, and they refuse to answer. Actually, they play deaf. (no pun intended)
But again... lets find out who had offices there...
Are you going to join me in that search?
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If we ASSUME, that makes an ASS out of U and ME !!!

 

[Reba]

Before you ask for the reason... ask why it collapsed..
Engineers, architects and history all show that fire cannot be the reason that it was brought down.
The way it came down implied demolition. In fact, the owner tells us that is was demolished. They made it happen.

The owner denies saying that.

Now it is for the goverment to explain WHY they demolished it.
Do a search and find out what was in that buildings.....

I know what was in the buildings. So?
How can the government explain something they didn't do?

You are asking US why they did it.

Of course. You're the one that says the government did it, so it's up to you to provide a motive to prove your accusation.

... lets find out who had offices there...
Are you going to join me in that search?

No need. It's public knowledge, no secret. So?

 

[Cloggy]

Originally Posted by Cloggy
Before you ask for the reason... ask why it collapsed..
Engineers, architects and history all show that fire cannot be the reason that it was brought down.
The way it came down implied demolition. In fact, the owner tells us that is was demolished. They made it happen.

The owner denies saying that.

Oh come on.... wake up. It's on VIDEO!!
Have a look here.

More info here.
From this website..

There is also the fact that most of the structures destroyed by falling debris were directly under the twin towers, and none of them caught fire. WTC 7 was not only a full city block away from Tower 1 but WTC 6 stood directly between the two buildings and certainly absorbed most of the damage.

If we ASSUME, that makes an ASS out of U and ME !!!

 

[Cloggy]

........I know what was in the buildings. .........

What organisations were housed in there??.. (Would save me some searching..)
Found it..

But more importantly WTC 7, like the Murrah building, housed high-level government offices including the FBI, CIA and the Secret Service. WTC 7 was also the storage facility for millions of files pertaining to active cases involving international drug dealing, organized crime, terrorism and money laundering.

WTC 6, also known as the Customs House building, housed the Departments of Commerce, Agriculture and Labor and yet another Murrah building tenant, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

WTC 7 was also the location of a kind of a doomsday bunker (a $15 million project of Rudy Giuliani's), a command post from which to operate in case of a total infrastructure breakdown. Building 7 had apparently been bullet proofed and reinforced to withstand hurricane force winds and attacks of all kinds, a fact which makes its alleged fatal vulnerability to falling debris all the more puzzling.

 

[Cloggy]

From the article Clinton, 9/11 and the Facts

After the attacks, virtually every member of the Bush administration put forth the talking point that,
"No one could have anticipated anyone using airplanes as bombs."
The facts tell a different story.

In 1993, a $150,000 study was undertaken by the Pentagon to investigate the possibility of airplanes being used as bombs. A draft document of this was circulated throughout the Pentagon, the Justice Department, and to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In 1994, a disgruntled Federal Express employee invaded the cockpit of a DC10 with the intention of crashing it into a company building. Again in 1994, a pilot crashed a small airplane into a tree on the White House grounds, narrowly missing the building itself. Also in 1994, an Air France flight was hijacked by members of a terrorist organization called the Armed Islamic Group, who intended to crash the plane into the Eiffel Tower.

The 1993 Pentagon report was followed up in September 1999 by a report titled "The Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism." This report was prepared for the American intelligence community by the Federal Research Division, an adjunct of the Library of Congress. The report stated, "Suicide bombers belonging to Al Qaida's martyrdom battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White House."

 

[Liebling:-)))]

wow Cloggy!!!! You provided very very very good links... It´s sad that someone deny the proofs. I´m glad that the people wake up and want to get the answer to the truth.

 

[Cheri]

Before you ask for the reason... ask why it collapsed..
Engineers, architects and history all show that fire cannot be the reason that it was brought down.
The way it came down implied demolition. In fact, the owner tells us that is was demolished. They made it happen.

Now it is for the goverment to explain WHY they demolished it.
Do a search and find out what was in that buildings.....

You are asking US why they did it. The point is.. this question was asked to the government, and they refuse to answer. Actually, they play deaf. (no pun intended)

 

[Cheri]

How can the government explain something they didn't do?

How do you know the government didn't do it?

Of course. You're the one that says the government did it, so it's up to you to provide a motive to prove your accusation.

We already did by providing websites that shows how can the story high towers collapsed dued to fire, there was no answers being answered by the government, What does that tell us? That leaves us in questions. What are they really trying to hide?

 

[Cloggy]

wow Cloggy!!!! You provided very very very good links... It´s sad that someone deny the proofs. I´m glad that the people wake up and want to get the answer to the truth.

Actually, she's just saying what many are thinking.
The scary part is... if you cannot trust the government.. what can you trust..
The people that use the name of God in every decision they make... they can't be lying - can they?
Admitting that they lie to you is feeling solid rock under your feet turn into liquid!!!

So, I understand the reaction. Anything to maintain the status quo. Not looking for yourself because it might be painful.

There's a myth about a young revolutionairy who did ask questions around 30 CE, and look what happened to him!! They crusified him.....

 

[IslandGal]

Again - sorry, but a question..
If your sister was burned, was she inside the pentagon? And if she was, how could she have seen the plane?

Gee, you got to accept that it was a plane that crashed into the Pentagon. Accept it and move on. Show some respect to the families who lost their loved ones.

 

[IslandGal]

Hmmm I'm just wondering if people are getting a tad carried away with getting excited about all the unanswered questions. The thing is in life there are many unanswered questions surrounding certain historical events which cannot be explained by previous observations or experience but this doesn't necessarily follow that it indicates a cover up, although I am sure that they must happen to a smaller degree.

The US government would be taking a tremendous risk if the WTC collapse was a controlled demolition of their direct or indirect making. It would bring down the whole government and send shockwaves around the world. I don't believe as stupid as Bush and Co are that they are that stupid.

Sorry, just never have been a fan of conspiracy theories... I believe in muslim countries some believe that it was a Jewish plot. Depends on your spin I guess...

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[IslandGal]

Yes I said that Bin Laden & Saddam are Isrealis which is not right. It´s habit to use the word "Israelis" more than "Arab" or "Iranian" - That´s why I ask you what you call them as. At first the US Media did name "Israelis" to the public that "Israelis" were being warned to leave WTC before the happened and then later we found it´s false. Why they label "Israelis", not Arab or Iranian ?

No, it is not a habit for us to call the Arabs or Muslims "Israelis". Only unintelligent people would say that. Israelis are Jews not Muslims. Do you have a link to where the US Media said the Israelis were warned to leave WTC before the attacks? I recall that it was a hoax. If you agree that it was false then why do you keep bringing this subject up again and again? Accept that it was false and move on.

 

[Cloggy]

Gee, you got to accept that it was a plane that crashed into the Pentagon. Accept it and move on. Show some respect to the families who lost their loved ones.

I can accept a plane. 1 Turbo-fan was found (not 757) and a nosegear.
But NOT a 757.
BUt the hole in the far end of the C-wing.... It has a typical shape. The nose of a plane cannot do that (too soft) but other things can.....

Regarding respect to the families... (Jersey widows)[
Here's the conservatives view

Showing respect is explaining what happened. Your government failed to do that.
Forming a comittee a year after the fact (Normally it takes a week) with bogus chaiman, and allow $5000 per victem to be spent (a total of 15 mln was given) Is THAT showning respect???
They spend $60 mln on research regarding Clinton!! But to show respect to the families... $5.000 was enough per head!

Yeh, let's talk about respect!
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If we ASSUME, that makes an ASS out of U and ME !!!