9/11 - what happened?

[Cloggy]

3 did fell down.. WTC-1, WTC-2 and WTC-3 (hotel) yes third one did fell down. it is not BIG like WTC but smaller one. It was on the news. I watched the third building fell down.. i was like aww.. it was on fire as well. I am sure there are more building cuz 16 acres?? obivously HUGE more than buildings have fell down and and not to forget underground stores and all that ?? so many have caught on fire and fell down..

There's a difference between "falling down" and "collapse upon itself".
Do you realise that before 911 not one building build like the WTC has collapsed due to fire? Not 1. And there were some that burned longer than WTC.
WTC-7 had only small fires. There was no inferno. The owner of the building says in an interview that they decided to "pull it" a term used in demolition to destroy a building on it's own footprint by using explosived.
They "pulled" WTC-7. Have you ever seen a documentary on buildings being demolished. Months of preparation in order to do that... And on 9/11 they did it in 1 hour!!!!
This was prepared...

Do a little test. Create a building from stone and wood, and then make it collapse. See how it falls. See how long it takes.....

If heat would have weakened the steel, it would have bend and the tower would have fallen to 1 side. The remaining tower below the impact zone would have been OK and would stay...

HOW COULD IT HAVE COLLAPSED!!

 

[IslandGal]

I knew all about WTC 7 collapsing on the day of the attacks. I recall that it was caused by several debris coming from WTC 1 and 2.

 

[Awauphi]

There's a difference between "falling down" and "collapse upon itself".
Do you realise that before 911 not one building build like the WTC has collapsed due to fire? Not 1. And there were some that burned longer than WTC.
WTC-7 had only small fires. There was no inferno. The owner of the building says in an interview that they decided to "pull it" a term used in demolition to destroy a building on it's own footprint by using explosived.
They "pulled" WTC-7. Have you ever seen a documentary on buildings being demolished. Months of preparation in order to do that... And on 9/11 they did it in 1 hour!!!!
This was prepared...

Do a little test. Create a building from stone and wood, and then make it collapse. See how it falls. See how long it takes.....

If heat would have weakened the steel, it would have bend and the tower would have fallen to 1 side. The remaining tower below the impact zone would have been OK and would stay...

HOW COULD IT HAVE COLLAPSED!!

a while back i watched the wtc show on discovery or science channel talking about how and why the tower collapsed. it said that with heat from fire, gallons of gas burning throughout the floors (plane have gallons of gas not used), leaking everywhere down the stairs etc.. the floors buckled and went down pancaked all the way even all the way to bottom of ground .. but till i watched the rebroadcast of 9/11 last monday on MSNBC channel. The South tower didnt fell and pancaked.. part of the top of the tower bend over and bottom just went down.. as for other one.. it was filmed sideways so i cant see how it fell. i need another different footage where it show the tower collapsing so i can see how and where did it went. the plane hit very close to the top of tower. from what it look like it did pancaked.. but not sure?

 

[Cloggy]

a while back i watched the wtc show on discovery or science channel .............. from what it look like it did pancaked.. but not sure?

If the floors pancaked.... the 76 steel columns would still be standing.
If the fires weakened the steel... the remaining 80 floors would still be able to carry the load.
With the planes hitting the side of the building, the floors pancaking, the tower would be pulled to 1 side, and it would not have fallen on it's footprint.
If it pancaked, the floors would have collapsed onto each other, creating a hughe pile of floors....

Humor me... take 4 feet as floor thickness, multiply it by the nr of floors (110)on the WTC and find out how high the pile would be.....

Also... when pancaking... the speed of the collapse would be quite slow. It takes time to overcome the forces holding the floors together.
The towes felt at freefall speed. it took 4.5 seconds. This can only happen when there is no restriction when collapsing... only when it's a controlled demolition where the central bearing structure is destroyed first..
Look at footage. The TV-mast on top of WTC-1 is falling FIRST. The centre is collapsing and then the rest follows...

 

[Awauphi]

but remmy there is diesel involved?? diesel make steel hot and weak?? would it make sense?

i dont know.. too many .. and its making me confusing more than ever now..

if there are demolotion would it blow up cuz it have powder? mixed with diesel? hmm..

 

[Cloggy]

but remmy there is diesel involved?? diesel make steel hot and weak?? would it make sense?

i dont know.. too many .. and its making me confusing more than ever now..

if there are demolotion would it blow up cuz it have powder? mixed with diesel? hmm..

No diesel in the planes....

HAve you calculated the height of the pancaked building?

 

[TFWFalcon]

WTC-1, WTC-2 and WTC-7..... Hey.. this is YOUR history. You should know!
Why did WTC-7 collapse???

In history it never happened that a steel structure collapsed due to fire. Never... until WTC-1 and WTC-2 after getting hit by planes and WTC-7 hit by.... nothing....

At first two airlines hit each towers (twin towers). before structure start weak and big dropped on the ground with any building has complete damaged. You call me your history....LOL...look yourself got wrong one. HEHEHE.

 

[TFWFalcon]

but remmy there is diesel involved?? diesel make steel hot and weak?? would it make sense?

i dont know.. too many .. and its making me confusing more than ever now..

if there are demolotion would it blow up cuz it have powder? mixed with diesel? hmm..

Mostly airlines dont use diesel. They use fuel and not same as gasoline or unleaded gas. Just let you know about it.

 

[Cloggy]

At first two airlines hit each towers (twin towers). before structure start weak and big dropped on the ground with any building has complete damaged. You call me your history....LOL...look yourself got wrong one. HEHEHE.

You're crackling up.... bad reception....
What did I have wrong??

WTC-7 was not even close to WTC-1 and 2. It fell many hours AFTER the twin towers....
Look at footage... the building(WTC-7) is hardly damaged. There are fires on only 2 floors....

 

[Cloggy]

but remmy there is diesel involved?? diesel make steel hot and weak?? would it make sense?

i dont know.. too many .. and its making me confusing more than ever now..

if there are demolotion would it blow up cuz it have powder? mixed with diesel? hmm..

I know it's confusing. Getting and requesting information is allways confusing because one has to make sense out of it.

Logic - not feelings - tell that not planes, nor fire would be able to bring down the WTC as it did...
Something else did. Everything is pointing towards a controlled demolision....

 

[TFWFalcon]

You're crackling up.... bad reception....
What did I have wrong??

WTC-7 was not even close to WTC-1 and 2. It fell many hours AFTER the twin towers....
Look at footage... the building(WTC-7) is hardly damaged. There are fires on only 2 floors....

LOL.....TOO BAD. YOU HAVE NO CLUES. I LET YOU FIGURE IT OUT. I AM NOT GOING HELP YOU HOW IS CONCEPT OF BUILDINGS. YOU NEED UNDERSTAND HOW THE PANCAKE FLOORS IS VERY EFFECTIVE WITH TONS OF POUND.

 

[Cheri]

Look at this video, I found it very interesting....

World Trade Center -- Controlled Demolition

 

[Cloggy]

Look at this video, I found it very interesting....

World Trade Center -- Controlled Demolition

Did you notice that the official version drawing has NO center-columns!!! They are just ignored.!!

Powerful documentary!

Go here!

 

[sillycat]

What I found was interesting is after the collapse of the towers and bldg 7. Soon as all that steel cooled off, the NY mayor ordered to have all of it shipped to China ASAP and it was before the FBI and other authorities can investigate it. I thought that was strange becuz normally our govt would have left the site alone until it was fully investigated. Then not long after that, Bush ordered FBI to stop investigating the debris etc. That is enough for me to say "WTF??"

 

[Cheri]

After the light on Cloggy's posts, I gotta slide with him, It all makes sense now, We've been lied to,

Think about it, If WTC-7 was not hit by a plane, nor wasn't damaged by fire because there was no fire in that building. What does that tell you? It tells me that all this been planned out by the USA Government. I believe that they planted an explosives after the planes went in two towers, North and South.

If they really did that, They're freggin murders that's for sure!

The more I think about it, the more it starting to come to me -- how Bush was so desperate in getting Saddam and invading Iraq.

 

[Cloggy]

LOL.....TOO BAD. YOU HAVE NO CLUES. I LET YOU FIGURE IT OUT. I AM NOT GOING HELP YOU HOW IS CONCEPT OF BUILDINGS. YOU NEED UNDERSTAND HOW THE PANCAKE FLOORS IS VERY EFFECTIVE WITH TONS OF POUND.

So you can't even tell me where I can go wrong... You friend might shut up if you tell them this, but I ask you again.... Where did I go wrong??

I'll explain a bit more......
If the floors pancake, it means the get loosened from the central columns and outer columns... It also means... that these columns remain standing!!

The outer and inner columns are nowhere to be found....

Telling me "YOU HAVE NO CLUES" or "I LET YOU FIGURE IT OUT" just shows your incompetence to understand 4th grade physics.
And instead of just admitting that, you start yelling...

Does that really work for you in real life???

 

[TFWFalcon]

So you can't even tell me where I can go wrong... You friend might shut up if you tell them this, but I ask you again.... Where did I go wrong??

I'll explain a bit more......
If the floors pancake, it means the get loosened from the central columns and outer columns... It also means... that these columns remain standing!!

The outer and inner columns are nowhere to be found....

Telling me "YOU HAVE NO CLUES" or "I LET YOU FIGURE IT OUT" just shows your incompetence to understand 4th grade physics.
And instead of just admitting that, you start yelling...

Does that really work for you in real life???

Go google.com and type all words " Why did sturcture is failed". Good Lucky. WTC-7 is part of courrptions with Government.

PS I can see you are quite confession is done. I am going stop this thread. It is over.

 

[Cloggy]

Go google.com and type all words " Why did sturcture is failed". Good Lucky. WTC-7 is part of courrptions with Government.

PS I can see you are quite confession is done. I am going stop this thread. It is over.

Been there and entered "Why did sturcture is failed" and found.... NOTHING of interest. Showing you haven't even been there... (results below)

I have no idea what it means when you say "I can see you are quite confession is done." I do fully understand "I am going stop this thread. It is over." since you are right... It is over.
You fail to show anything, you fail to answer questions, you fail... period.

I guess you get away with this kind of scare-tactics with people that know less than you. You're smart enough to realise that in this thread - you can't answer anything.

It's a sad response in the light of such a tragedy. Instead of putting your head in the sand, you shoud look for answers. Not just accept what someone is telling you.
You have every right to doubt me. I hope you treat the official story withthe same doubt and look for yourself..

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[Cloggy]

Pancake model.......

Look at the simulation, then look at what was still standing.... the 74 inner columns....

 

[Awauphi]

if it was control demolition.. what purpose the government want in this and why would they do that and get away with over 3 thousand people dead? what reason??? i hope they come up with good explantions on this!