Wow, CI's are expensive

[posts from hell]

PFH: why should I seek/need your approval for anything? I hate to inform you I have been living a bit longer than you! My 2 sons are both older than you!

I noticed you DIDN"T answer the question posed:what do YOU describe - being "BORN Deaf"- UNABLE TO HEAR anything if NOT SILENCE- than what? Too simple to answer? Do you label "that" as a non "pathological/audiological" condition?

Off to real work: deaf swimming. I can't hear the music playing and before you tell me again- why I don't "hate" myself for being bilaterally deaf-- read my user name about being your own best friend. Right-even if deaf/Deaf!

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

because your questions are absurd.
Doesnt matter if you have lived longer than me... I've been Deaf longer than you.
Like I said, I don't feel silence. My life is full of family, friends, and families of friends that can sign.
I have totally no idea of what "hearing" is like. Is it a constant noisy environment? Do you hear the traffic everyday, do you hear the house noises, etc? I feel that all the times, and I thank god I don't hear it.

One word to define it? Deafness.

And yes, I would label it a non pathological and an non audiological condition. It's a lifestyle.

 

[jillio]

rick, Were you aware that the 70% unemployment rate ALSO applies to orally educated and mainstreamed kids? It is NOT just ASLers who went to Deaf Schools or Deaf programs.
Most kids HAVE been mainstreamed. Their parents thought that it would give them a better education. *looks around* Gee, where are all those well educated kids now? There are some kids who do well..........but over all...Plus I mean a kid with a CI would ALSO have a ton of trouble trying to get health insurance since they still have a preexisting condition.
And jillo, please tell me I'm not the only one who's struggling with trying to find a job

Nope, you are not. You are, in fact, in the majority. In fact, there are more ASLers who maintain employment than oral.

 

[jillio]

PFH: why should I seek/need your approval for anything? I hate to inform you I have been living a bit longer than you! My 2 sons are both older than you!

I noticed you DIDN"T answer the question posed:what do YOU describe - being "BORN Deaf"- UNABLE TO HEAR anything if NOT SILENCE- than what? Too simple to answer? Do you label "that" as a non "pathological/audiological" condition?

Off to real work: deaf swimming. I can't hear the music playing and before you tell me again- why I don't "hate" myself for being bilaterally deaf-- read my user name about being your own best friend. Right-even if deaf/Deaf!

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

Guess the admonition "You can't teach an old dog a new trick" would be appropriate in your case.

 

[shel90]

That with some of the current developments or research going on in the science and technology field. Hopefully those that want to hear better could be optimistic about its future...

But it is sad that he had to wish for 53 years to be "normal". Does anyone deserve to live like that because of how society percieve deafness?

 

[drphil]

PFH you say the question of your experience of NON hearing is absurd? You seem to deny silence.Rational discussion is obviously irrelevant.
I acknowledge you have been deaf/silence longer than me. 28 years to 4 1/4. I didn't take me very long to experience silence when I became deaf. from all incoming sound-which is what I asked you. How you interact in your social environment is a different matter- hopefully not silence.
Interesting you label it a "lifestyle' WITHOUT ANY REFERENCE TO ONE'S BODY. Is one's Cochlea imaginary? Is deafness -imaginary also?
You asked my definition of deafness: unable to HEAR ANY SOUND EVEN USING A HEARING AID. Thus silence. Using ASL has NO bearing on one's Cochlea which appears to have "something wrong" thus no hearing. I guess you don't think that hearing is part of human
beings.
Jillio: your last sentence applies to you.

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

 

[webexplorer]

I was reading a blog recently. A young deaf woman had a CI implant several months ago. She was extremely unhappy with it so she demanded her doctor to remove the whole CI implant. It made her sick and uncomfortable too long. Her insurance and her doctor disapproved her for the removal. It cost her to see her doctor which is $1200 for an appointment to discuss it so she can't afford it. Her doctor is obvious that he kept his money in his pocket and walked away from her.

Just be careful what you make a decision whether to have CI implant or not. How about if you make your own contract with your doctor before the surgery in case you/your husband demand(s) it to be removed? That way, you could proof it at a court in case to sue the doctor for fraud. Also, the doctor's record will be dent for his reputation forever in the system. If you have a Medicare, they take it very serious if the doctor is fraud in one ticket way, and his license will be fried. You bet.

 

[drphil]

Here in Ontario, one signs an agreement with the hospital on having the Implant operation, one of the sections deals with the possibility of it not working for you.
One makes to decision to discuss if one "fits the current criteria"of implants but they decide if you fit. There is a lot more than just the surgeon involved. OHIP covers the entire cost if approved. Sunnybrook/Toronto Cochlear section is part of a teaching hospital. I have mentioned previously that over 60% of all referrals are rejected for one reason or other over the last 19 years.
The above mentioned doesn't appear to have happened here. Is the above an "outpatients' clinic""?

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

 

[Bottesini]

I never felt silence.. Must suck to be isolated..

It does.

 

[jillio]

PFH you say the question of your experience of NON hearing is absurd? You seem to deny silence.Rational discussion is obviously irrelevant.
I acknowledge you have been deaf/silence longer than me. 28 years to 4 1/4. I didn't take me very long to experience silence when I became deaf. from all incoming sound-which is what I asked you. How you interact in your social environment is a different matter- hopefully not silence.
Interesting you label it a "lifestyle' WITHOUT ANY REFERENCE TO ONE'S BODY. Is one's Cochlea imaginary? Is deafness -imaginary also?
You asked my definition of deafness: unable to HEAR ANY SOUND EVEN USING A HEARING AID. Thus silence. Using ASL has NO bearing on one's Cochlea which appears to have "something wrong" thus no hearing. I guess you don't think that hearing is part of human
beings.
Jillio: your last sentence applies to you.

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

Hardly. I learn new things each and every day, and apply them consistently in my life. That is why I will never qualify as an "old dog" as you do.

Problem is, you have never sought to experience deafness beyond the superficial silence. Sad. You are missing so much.

 

[jillio]

Here in Ontario, one signs an agreement with the hospital on having the Implant operation, one of the sections deals with the possibility of it not working for you.
One makes to decision to discuss if one "fits the current criteria"of implants but they decide if you fit. There is a lot more than just the surgeon involved. OHIP covers the entire cost if approved. Sunnybrook/Toronto Cochlear section is part of a teaching hospital. I have mentioned previously that over 60% of all referrals are rejected for one reason or other over the last 19 years.
The above mentioned doesn't appear to have happened here. Is the above an "outpatients' clinic""?

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

So?

 

[drphil]

Interesting Jillio has to answer for PFH. You missed the fact that I have a Cochlear Implant. I am still deaf/Deaf however. I don't accept the premise that one has to utilize ASL ,exclusively, to experience life after deafness. If an Implant works one can again "hear sounds" which one did prior to going "deaf".
What is the thinking of every person who makes the decision to "get a Cochlear Implant" mean? Increasing-why?

Life is ongoing and some days "new experiences occur". True for everyone. However how one deals with "it" is up to you.

It is interesting you should tell me to experience deafness beyond "superficial silence"-have you? If so, how do you so describe?Again, I am NOT talking about what anyone does interacting in ASL with whoever is in one's life-now but the actual experience of silence( not hearing sound) at one's personal level. Assuming of course, one is capable of introspection. Perhaps problematical?

Can anyone imagine trying to understand such a convoluted discussion in the "friendly deaf/Deaf community" using ASL? Enough here on a computer screen.


Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

 

[deafskeptic]

Really! I've been deaf since age 5 and wished for the next 53 years that I could hear normal...

Now this post depresses me. I am 44 and I have never known what it is like to have normal hearing. I was born deaf due to pre-natal Rubella. The way I see it, I gained a new world full of visual wonders and I've had a life long interest in the Arts as a result of my deafness.

No point in mourning what can't be regained.

 

[deafskeptic]

I was reading a blog recently. A young deaf woman had a CI implant several months ago. She was extremely unhappy with it so she demanded her doctor to remove the whole CI implant. It made her sick and uncomfortable too long. Her insurance and her doctor disapproved her for the removal. It cost her to see her doctor which is $1200 for an appointment to discuss it so she can't afford it. Her doctor is obvious that he kept his money in his pocket and walked away from her.

Just be careful what you make a decision whether to have CI implant or not. How about if you make your own contract with your doctor before the surgery in case you/your husband demand(s) it to be removed? That way, you could proof it at a court in case to sue the doctor for fraud. Also, the doctor's record will be dent for his reputation forever in the system. If you have a Medicare, they take it very serious if the doctor is fraud in one ticket way, and his license will be fried. You bet.

It reminds me of a certain AD poster who wanted his CI removed. I won't mention his name.

 

[deafskeptic]

Now this post depresses me. I am 44 and I have never known what it is like to have normal hearing. I was born deaf due to pre-natal Rubella. The way I see it, I gained a new world full of visual wonders and I've had a life long interest in the Arts as a result of my deafness.

No point in mourning what can't be regained.

Oh yes, I also met people I never would have met if it weren't for my deafness and I have learned a language and a way iof life that opened a world to me and one that I can fully partake with few misunderstandings.

 

[posts from hell]

Interesting Jillio has to answer for PFH. You missed the fact that I have a Cochlear Implant. I am still deaf/Deaf however. I don't accept the premise that one has to utilize ASL ,exclusively, to experience life after deafness. If an Implant works one can again "hear sounds" which one did prior to going "deaf".
What is the thinking of every person who makes the decision to "get a Cochlear Implant" mean? Increasing-why?

Life is ongoing and some days "new experiences occur". True for everyone. However how one deals with "it" is up to you.

It is interesting you should tell me to experience deafness beyond "superficial silence"-have you? If so, how do you so describe?Again, I am NOT talking about what anyone does interacting in ASL with whoever is in one's life-now but the actual experience of silence( not hearing sound) at one's personal level. Assuming of course, one is capable of introspection. Perhaps problematical?

Can anyone imagine trying to understand such a convoluted discussion in the "friendly deaf/Deaf community" using ASL? Enough here on a computer screen.


Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

Hope you get to enjoy. (Im really hoping you have high speed internet.) It's captioned as well.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y0GsUj0MRM]YouTube - moviedrphil[/ame]

 

[shel90]

Really: now deafness ISN'T SILENCE! What is it- Hearing? What else? I am now mistaken in hearing NOTHING which to me is silence. That is how I knew I was deaf! For some of us we still have "auditory memory" as we are post linguistic deaf/Deaf . To me that is NOT hearing anyone speak to us-NOW!

Silly question to PFH how do you describe NOT hearing any sound? To the best of my knowledge ASL DOESN"T CREATE Sound. Does it? Wasn't mentioned in any ASL textbook?

Why are you continuing to comment if you "believe" what I key doesn't fit your perceptions of a deaf/Deaf person? Is that grandiose thinking that alldeaf.com should conform to a narrow view of "some members" here? Who "certifies" who is deaf/Deaf? Papers issued to persons meeting the standard?

Still waiting for exposition of what NON" pathological/audiological" deafness entails. Can my deafness be non pathological as well?

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

You have a pathological view on deafness. We dont so you wont get the answers we want. It is probably best to ask these kinds of questions to someone from the medical field.

 

[Hohtopics]

But it is sad that he had to wish for 53 years to be "normal". Does anyone deserve to live like that because of how society percieve deafness?

One could still have a good life and still hope to hear better. It doesn't necessary have to be one or the other.

 

[posts from hell]

One could still have a good life and still hope to hear better. It doesn't necessary have to be one or the other.

read between the lines dude

 

[shel90]

One could still have a good life and still hope to hear better. It doesn't necessary have to be one or the other.

constanstly wishing for something he could never have? Nice way to live but not for me. I would rather wish for other things that I can achieve. My deafness is not a big issue.

 

[AlleyCat]

Good video, PFH.