Wow, CI's are expensive

faire_jour said:
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so, why aren't people out there protesting insurance paying for implants? Write your congressmen, tell them you want to repeal coverage for CIs.....

if it really matters to you, do something about it rather than complain here.
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If CI coverage is successfully repealed, then will you pay for CI surgery costs, AVT, replacement CI, etc out of your pocket? Can you afford it with your salary? I highly doubt it. :roll:
 
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Oddball said:
faire_jour said:
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so, why aren't people out there protesting insurance paying for implants? Write your congressmen, tell them you want to repeal coverage for CIs.....

if it really matters to you, do something about it rather than complain here.
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If CI coverage is successfully repealed, then will you pay for CI surgery costs, AVT, replacement CI, etc out of your pocket? Can you afford it with your salary? I highly doubt it. :roll:
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nope. So it is a good thing that will never happen.

i do pay for avt out of pocket and now i pay for my daughter's school but no, i could never afford to pay for her bilateral implants.

i actually support universal heathcare coverage for all people. I support CI coverage as well as hearing aid coverage.

i made the statement because i have never actually encountered someone who was actively supporting a reduction in coverage for CIs (as opposed to equal coverage for hearing aids) and was wondering if anyone here would actually stand up and do that.
 
So private school is an expense that I have relieved from the state, and my family.
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It is a little too soon to say whether or not she will need a specialized school placement vs. a regional dhh program. Also, it's possible that she may want to go off to ISD for middle and high school. Some kids do that you know, they live at home and attend a dhh program, and then when things get tough, (especially b/c of the Fourth Grade Glass Ceiling) they go off to Deaf School.
Grendel, bear in mind......eleven of those that PFH listed are good healthcare/decent insurance dependent.Healthcare (all aspects of it) is bleeding profits. Need I remind you of our current high costs for services health care debate? I really have to say that if healthcare didn't make such obscene profits, and if oral only didn't make kids dependent on good healthcare, oral only would be a very niche methodology.
You know, even my hearing and otherwise healthy friends are struggling with the high cost of health insurance.
I am actually unemployed b/c while I was mainstreamed and oral (the path of sucess according to AG BAD) AND went to a hearing college, Mass Health is one of only two insurances that cover hearing aids. I also have some chronic health issues. If I went private or make too much money, I get disqaulified for Disabilty.
 
deafdyke said:
rick bear in mind that many of the mainstreamed and oral dhh as kids are also "dependent" on assisitive living stuff.
Seriously, pro oral only people make it sound like oral only has ALL the answers, and that every single oral only kid is gonna go off to college and isn't dependent on ASL.
You do realize that the low education acheivements ALSO are applicable for the pediatric dhh community as a WHOLE?
Also, why is it that oral only people view ASL as a "crutch" but yet they don't view FM or oral 'terps or CPrint/CART as "crutches?"
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What on God's green earth are you talking about?

Your incoherent ramblings have nothing to do with the issue at hand.
 
deafdyke said:
If I went private or make too much money, I get disqaulified for Disabilty.
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So we taxpayers have to subsidize your decision not to find work that would take you off the public dole and yet you criticize private insurance for which we working people pay exorbitant premiums in addition to the taxes that support you and you criticize parents who choose to provide their children with a technological tool that can hopefully provide them with the opportunities to obtain gainful employment so their children can pay the taxes that will continue to support you!

What a joke!
 
rick48 said:
So we taxpayers have to subsidize your decision not to find work that would take you off the public dole and yet you criticize private insurance for which we working people pay exorbitant premiums in addition to the taxes that support you and you criticize parents who choose to provide their children with a technological tool that can hopefully provide them with the opportunities to obtain gainful employment so their children can pay the taxes that will continue to support you!

What a joke!
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That's the part of the problem. What are you doing to contribute to the solution if you think its a joke?
 
rick48 said:
So we taxpayers have to subsidize your decision not to find work that would take you off the public dole and yet you criticize private insurance for which we working people pay exorbitant premiums in addition to the taxes that support you and you criticize parents who choose to provide their children with a technological tool that can hopefully provide them with the opportunities to obtain gainful employment so their children can pay the taxes that will continue to support you!

What a joke!
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I see that you are bitter. I wonder why, when you have "a successful daughter". Why pick on us? Why come here 20+ years after she's had a CI?

I work full-time. I work for a non-profit organization that doesn't provide for medical insurance, so I'm self-health-insured. That's quite expensive. I don't complain about the federal and state taxes I must pay, the health insurance I must pay, the property taxes I have to pay to the school district despite the fact that I don't have children (and the increased taxes to pay for interpreters, and so forth.) You are not exceptional, deaf or not, AND NEITHER AM I, deaf or not. Get off your high horse.
 
faire_jour said:
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nope. So it is a good thing that will never happen.

i do pay for avt out of pocket and now i pay for my daughter's school

i made the statement because i have never actually encountered someone who was actively supporting a reduction in coverage for CIs (as opposed to equal coverage for hearing aids) and was wondering if anyone here would actually stand up and do that.
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cis should not be used for kids.

my kids are very likely going to sight and hearing issues that is fine theres tactile signing,speech reading, large print, braille. if as adults they make that choice thats fine

adults who are NOT under parental control/have the understanding needed have the RIGHT to make that choice
 
rick, it's not my decision to not be able to work. I would LOVE to be able to work. It is FUCKING MARKET economics preventing me. I am treated (health insurance wise) like a HIV positive drug addict with hepatis. Even though I am overall very healthy. I never see my GP for anything but check ups! In my state you are legally bound to have health insurance. I cannot afford the premeins of private insurance. If I make too much money, I get kicked off of the public option. I have a lot of chronic issues, and do need to be seen in Boston (b/c my issues are so unusual) Besides, How the FUCK am I supposed to even get a job when the SECOND I open my mouth, some retarded Middle Manager automaticly assumes I'm retarded b/c of my deaf voice? I am quite motavated.....I've been published quite a few times for pay, I have my own business (still very grassroots and very small) and am working on some inventions.
 
do pay for avt out of pocket and now i pay for my daughter's school

i made the statement because i have never actually encountered someone who was actively supporting a reduction in coverage for CIs (as opposed to equal coverage for hearing aids) and was wondering if anyone here would actually stand up and do that.
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faire joure, I have to say that I think that maybe coverage for CIs need to be a bit more strict The reason why health insurance companies intitally covered them was b/c it was a pretty safe bet that only a small percentage of dhh people would qualify. But as it got more popular, and all inclusive (ie didn't even have to pay for MAPPINGS?!?! And that did happen just about ten years ago, that you had to pay for mappings) it became more expensive. Maybe a good idea might be to have a staggered system. Like if you earn a lot of money, you could simply get a CI, and have to pay for everthing else out of pocket. Then as you went down the line, benifits associated with the CI could be increased so that people who don't make as much money don't have to pay as much.
 
DD, tried to PM you but no luck, so it's here - ques. - would like to know any links to what you have published and am curious after reading your post, about the possibility of your business - if you'd like to share, you can PM me-
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faire_jour said:
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nope. So it is a good thing that will never happen.

i do pay for avt out of pocket and now i pay for my daughter's school but no, i could never afford to pay for her bilateral implants.

i actually support universal heathcare coverage for all people. I support CI coverage as well as hearing aid coverage.

i made the statement because i have never actually encountered someone who was actively supporting a reduction in coverage for CIs (as opposed to equal coverage for hearing aids) and was wondering if anyone here would actually stand up and do that.
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Yes, I am sadly aware that it will never happen because hearing people thought CI could cure Deafness, but they never been in Deaf people's shoes. :roll: If I want to hear, I'd rather choose hearing aids over CI. If I get headaches, then I can remove HAs. With CI, it is permanently emit into my brain unless I want to get it removed.

My friend is going to see a CI specialist at ASU in Temple, AZ to discuss about removing it because it gave him massive migraines next week. He is going to sue the hospital for misdiagnosis (a stupid specialist ordered a spinal tap, but his partner strongly disagreed to it, but that doctor went ahead anyway). That spinal tap caused hermosa in his brain. He has a surgery to clean up bleeding. After surgery, he still has headaches..obviously it is pointing at CI area. His partner yelled at doctors for not listening to what she trying to warn them about CI. Now, post surgery result causes his left leg problem, so he has to see doctor about that.
 
BTW I got a very interesting response from one of the senators I emailed. Will see how this goes in the future.
 
posts from hell said:
Thanks for proving my point. I didnt want to waste time typing all that up because I know the likes of you knew that already.

Point is - If there wasnt audism, desire to "fix" the deaf... Id wager that most of the above wouldnt exist.

You see, we spend sooooo much on the deaf... and theres still the 70% unemployment and attrition rate... So basically what the hearing has done for the deaf the past century is not even working - it is just profiting off the deaf.

Deaf clubs, theater, etc is not exactly as profitable as the things the hearing professionals get from being able to bill insurance for "fixing" the deaf. I also wouldnt use it in comparison because the general society has the same stuff, look at ELKS, Moose Lodge, Boy scouts, etc.

It's really time to change all that and invest in education. For the deaf and hearing alike. Billions per year can be spent in education, and we would save in long run being a more tolerant society.
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Gee: reread Jennifer's AD quote duly replicated by PFH. Correct- especially applicable by the deaf/DEAF WHO DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO the self-described " deaf dogma of alleged superiority"!
Another sidebar: how can one gain deafness before birth- A choice made in the womb?Reality?
Not of course to be inquiring on alleged "B S" by a bilaterally deaf person.

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07
 
drphil said:
Gee: reread Jennifer's AD quote duly replicated by PFH. Correct- especially applicable by the deaf/DEAF WHO DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO the self-described " deaf dogma of alleged superiority"!
Another sidebar: how can one gain deafness before birth- A choice made in the womb?Reality?
Not of course to be inquiring on alleged "B S" by a bilaterally deaf person.

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07
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Now now... Whos the dude in the gassed up mine shaft? Seeing things?

Where did Jennifer reply to me or I quoted her - you don't make sense.. But either way, theres nobody named Jennifer (or did you mean Jenniifer) that replied to this thread...

When you sprout such thing from manure from questionable sources - refer to it, for goodness sakes.
 
AlleyCat said:
I see that you are bitter. I wonder why, when you have "a successful daughter". Why pick on us? Why come here 20+ years after she's had a CI?

I work full-time. I work for a non-profit organization that doesn't provide for medical insurance, so I'm self-health-insured. That's quite expensive. I don't complain about the federal and state taxes I must pay, the health insurance I must pay, the property taxes I have to pay to the school district despite the fact that I don't have children (and the increased taxes to pay for interpreters, and so forth.) You are not exceptional, deaf or not, AND NEITHER AM I, deaf or not. Get off your high horse.
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Well said. And I might say, very politely, as well.
 
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