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I am not against legal the abortion, but I understand what Maria mean by saying that the abortion are not choice because the baby doesn't get any choice, only the mother.

Of course the baby doesn't get any choice and responsible because they can't do that but mother. Are you suggest that baby should get any choice which mean that mother don't have to raise the baby into responsblie adult? Without mother's responsibly influence, the baby would get nothing... Right?

That's why I support women's choice because they are the responsible parents, not baby.

 

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But to kill their own born children.

In mother's womb is a fetus = fetus removal... it's a legal.

Outside of mother's womb is a baby/children = commit murder if they kill babies/newborn... it's an illegal.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

even if they pass a law that prevents abortion, it will not stop a mother from finding a way to abort her baby.

*nodding agreement* illegal abortion would kill mother or risk mother's life.

 

[SFShawn13]

*nodding agreement* illegal abortion would kill mother or risk mother's life.

Yup. For ME, it's a matter of legal versus illegal. Would I "rather" two people die, or just one? If it's illegal, more people die.

Just another reason I am personally pro choice.

 

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I have a question here for some of you : If, you happen get pregnant by unexpect, would you go for partial birth abortion ?

Here in Germany is an illegal.

Up to 12 weeks limit, not after 12 weeks unless risk mother's health and stillbirth.

 

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Remember--I think she was a minor when this happend and if that's the case--it's the parents that have the final say.

To me, force minor to abort is wrong.

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Ur serious about this. That was so cruel of her parents to make the final decision and ruined her for rest of her life. It should be her choice even she was minor.

Exactly

I have a neice whom she got pregnant at 15 and she was give choice to keep the child or abort and she keeps her child. I love my great nephew but she struggle for many years raising him. I wish he was raised in healthy and rich life but instead he lives in poverty and no health insurance. It is still break my heart sometime to see him have to go thru this.

*nodding sadly* I know what it alike because I withnessed my parents struggled their life to raise us and see the same what and how my sister struggled her life as well to raise her children. That's why I vowed to not hurry to have children until 7 years later then....... My brother and 10 years younger sister don't have children yet.

Even they forced their daughters to have an abortion or keep it against thier will. I still think it is their bodies not parents.

Yes, that's right.

 

[SFShawn13]

Here in Germany is an illegal.

Up to 12 weeks limit, not after 12 weeks unless risk mother's health and stillbirth.

Yeah, in the USA "partial birth" abortion is done when there is a health risk.

And seriously. What women will wait till she is 8 mos. and be like "oh, I want an abortion!"

 

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According to the law--a parent is reponsible for the minor until they turn 18.

No if's, and's or but's.

See this example...

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/58822-girl-refuses-medical-treatment.html

 

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oh ok..umm but I think it's good example for mother who just had kid then dont want other kid cuz baby havent 1 year old yet. But I saw this post in in facebook and everybody think it's good example so I thought why not I copy it and paste here.

No, you did nothing wrong... I find good that you share this information here with us... I also see nothing wrong when we want to express our POV what we thought of this... Yes, you did said in first place that you pasted from facebook...

To me, it's very bad example... because GYN should not influence their patient's decision or make their patient feel bad but positive cons/pros and send them to counsellor.

I don't know if it's true when doctor say that. I used to think abortion is nothing and it ok for people to abortion till I read that and it touchy me, and it changed my mind.

This is your choice to change your mind but it doesn't change my mind after read your thread here.

 

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Yup. For ME, it's a matter of legal versus illegal. Would I "rather" two people die, or just one? If it's illegal, more people die.

Just another reason I am personally pro choice.

Exactly, see the example of Damienmommy's post... that's why I am pro-choice and want to see abortion to be a legal.

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No way, law won't change. They would always legal abortion because if they change it to illegal. Mothers would kill their babies when after born or they would take too much drugs to try kill baby in stomach, and so much things to risk for mother. So they legal abortion cuz more safe for mothers to get abortion by doctor. Not by theirself at home

That's exactly example...

 

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I used to wanted abortion because I didn't know which one father of 2. I feel so embarrassed to tell people so I planning to get abortion and told my mom and dad. My mom got pissed off and yelled at me, called me slut, etccc and said i throw baby in trash can and continue have sex. My dad agreed with me and said please abortion so I can successful in the future, first college, blah. That time I was senior and got pregnant on Sept 2005. So I asked people if they think I should abortion or not? half of them mad at me, other half said yes cuz those father won't be ready to be father. I was thinking for long time. I changed my mind and kept baby. I listen to my mom. My mom really want adopt my baby. I told her no, I am gonna keep it. So I become about 5 months pregnant. I got so excited that I keep baby after feel the baby moving inside. It was so amazing! I am glad I didn't abortion. After born baby, it made me wanted to cry and cannot believe that I didn't abortion it. My son is soooo beautiful!!! Glad to see what my son look like and he changed my life to better a lot now. I stopped go to party much etc. I stay home and be with son all the times. And take son out with me all the times. I lost the most friends but who care. Son is making me happy.

And then dna test proved who's father. And he become the GOOD father ever I seen. Those people are wrong about him that he's not ready to be father etcccc..But he's good with my kid. My kid love him so much. Always asked me for dad. I told him to wait till Friday. So he go stay with his dad for weekends only.

If I abortion. Then I would still go to party, might won't graduate school, live somewhere with roommate and having party etc. and would still think what my kid would be look like? And might gulity for abortion later..I don't know but I am so happy now. My life is mmuch better cuz of my kid.

for share your interesting post.

It's good that you can say NO because it's your decision, not anyone... You know for the sure that you are responsible mother to a child.

Which is total different as my one year younger sister. (see my story in previous post). She really want to abort it but she was being influenced to know that abort a child is a murder... it make her feel bad... and force to contiue with her pregnancy and prepare for adoption...... (see my story in my previous post...)

Force minor to abort is not good idea...

 

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I also wanted to add that if my daughter was a live today, a minor, and she came to me to tell me that she is pregnant--I would have her go and get an abortion.

What would you react if she reject and want to keep a child?

 

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What would you react if she reject and want to keep a child?

I can't speak for him, but seeing as he would respect his daughters' wishes to abort I think it's safe to say he would respect her choice to have the baby.

 

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714
I also wanted to add that if my daughter was a live today, a minor, and she came to me to tell me that she is pregnant--I would have her go and get an abortion.

If my daughter gets pregnant in high school, I probably would want her to get an abortion. However, my ex hubby who is Catholic is against it so who gets the final say? I just hope it wont become a reality.

I would not force my daughter to have an abortion... but advise her cons/pros about her future.... and will respect if she decide to keep a child... and happy to support her.

I educated my boys about the future if they become teenage fathers... condoms is not always safe... (I had a feeling that my oldest son is not longer virgin... thru his different movement....) I said nothing... but just remind him something... I think he notice that I know something... He said... "yes, I know, why ask?" I replied... nothing, just remind you, why can't I? I know I can't do anything to forbid him because I am not there and here 24/7 to watch him... oh well... I know what it alike because I was teenager that's time...

 

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If she was a minor--why should the parent be responsible for her mistake and financially support it?

I accept my responsible for my child's mistake and would be glad to support my child financially and also her future IF she want to keep a child... it's easy for her to be loving mother to her child with my support instead of blackmail her or throw her out to street or mother's home....

Are you a parent? No, but I am.

Listening is a key component to communication, and be able to be open with mutual respect. Telling and forcing a minor to have an abortion is not communication. That would make the minor think that she is unimportant and her feelings, concerns and decisions does not matter. Kids like it when they can freely open up and share their thoughts, feelings, and concerns with their parents WITHOUT being judged that equal good communication between parents and child.

Exactly, the communication key is a mainly important...

 

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I can't speak for him, but seeing as he would respect his daughters' wishes to abort I think it's safe to say he would respect her choice to have the baby.

respecting his/her (sorry byrdie i can't remember your gender) daughter's wishes to have an abortion vs. forcing/encouraging her to have one are two completely different things. i bet if byrdie convinced her to have an abortion, he/she would NOT support her decision to have the baby -- especially since byrdie doesn't believe in supporting the baby financially or accepting assistance from social service agencies.

 

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respecting his daughter's wishes to have an abortion vs. forcing/encouraging her to have one are two completely different things. i bet if byrdie convinced

Yes, that's right - respect daughter's wish is not same thing as force her to have an abortion.



Brydie is He.

 

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Yeah, in the USA "partial birth" abortion is done when there is a health risk.

And seriously. What women will wait till she is 8 mos. and be like "oh, I want an abortion!"

there could be unforeseen financial (i.e. job loss) and psychological reasons (i.e. fear, mental illness, trauma, domestic abuse, breakup in the relationship, divorce) as to why a woman would want to have an abortion at 8 months.

 

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thank you for telling me byrdie's gender, liebling.

 

[Maria]

As much as I disagree with your views, I am really sorry that u had to go thru that. That's terrible and I dont blame u for how u feel.

Thanks, Shel.