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PFH, I don't want to go there because I don't really know which behavior you are talking about.

I stopped reading a thread last night when I couldn't watch any more of a grown professional baiting and mocking an unformed 18 YO who has just gone through a traumatic and life-threatening accident that will change the way he interacts with the world forever and who has newly reached out to the deaf community. It's possible that the thread continued to deteriorate (hard to believe as it was pretty gruesome already) and he and/or others behaved very well, very badly, or somewhere in between -- but it makes me ill to review those last few pages, and my stomach needs to be in top form tonight. So I can't speak to his behavior beyond what I've read.

But I do know this: Don't most people who suddenly and permanently lose something they value feel pain? You have a young man suffering pain and loss. And the big concern here -- apparently -- isn't reaching him, a young deaf man, letting him know there's a community that he can be a part of, that this experience is opening up new worlds, that there are others who have experienced the same. The outrage expressed here is that feelings are hurt because he sees his situation as limiting and as the loss of a sense? He hasn't said anything against ASL, rejected Deaf Culture, promoted oralism, invoked AGBell or what have you. And people leaped in to mock his beliefs, his spirituality, his lifestyle choices, his age, his education, his knowledge of the medical field, his passion for music, his fears, and his hopes.

Aren't you a bit stronger than that as a community -- can't you take the unknowing offense of thinking that a sudden loss of hearing at 18 is actually a "loss" and be there for him, make him part of this group, so he has the opportunity to see things from his newly acquired deaf perspective?

You should know that I did in fact speak out about ASL, i said that it wasn't very effective in a group situation and no matter how effective it was that I didn't care for it and it wouldn't help me in the career I have planned.
 
No Deaf Culture mentioned. No deaf with upper case D. How was I to know???

Also, I only found out about the late-deafened thread because it was mentioned in this forum. I didn't go to the Our World, Our Culture because I was only interested in the HEARING AIDS and COCLEAR IMPLANTS forum being a hearing aid wearer.

Mods, you should consider changing the above quote on the home page to better reflect who this site is for.

Uhhh...you are free to participate in all forums. As is every member here. What you want is freedom for yourself at the cost of the restriction of others. It doesn't work that way.
 
Jillio: You keep writing about the torture of Cochlear Implant operation- perhaps you haven't heard yet- one is NOT awake directing the surgeon Retire that bromide!

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Are you posting seriously? Because if you are, it would appear your inability to read is more impaired than originally was thought.:roll:
 
Jillio: You keep writing about the torture of Cochlear Implant operation- perhaps you haven't heard yet- one is NOT awake directing the surgeon Retire that bromide!

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

Sorry but I must laugh at this.. I would hope that i'm not directing my own surgeon.. That could end badly for me as i'm unexperienced.. :lol:
 
You havent said anything degrading about Deaf culture, ASL or people who are deaf but some others have done that. What I am saying is that when newcomers come in here with some questions about CIs or whatever, which is fine but when they start saying degrading stereotypying comments about Deaf culture, ASL and etc and when people speak up, they get defensive and say that they are being attacked or being threatened. So, it is either we keep our mouths shut and let them make these kinds of comments or speak up against their kinds of views but risk getting acussed of driving them away with attacks. They need to take responsibility for their comments. So far, I havent seen that happen with most of them. A few, yes but most...nope.

Agreed. The problem is with the ones that are so defensive. Is it all? No. Is it a very vocal and nasty few? Yes.

I actually communicate through email with many, many hearing parents of deaf kids that I have met in here. Some of them with kids with CIs. Wanna know why they don't come here very often anymore? They didn't want to be associated with the hearing parents of CI kids that are so nasty and angry. In fact, I have made arrangements to travel out of state for a hearing parent with a deaf child to do a bit of pro-bono advocacy for her child. I met her here.
 
You may or may not be referring to me in this post. But I did state that it was to CI patients. I never said that I was being attacked or threatened. I also stated that ASL wasn't a bad thing, it just didn't work for me in my particular situation.



You should know "learning social skills" can lead to drug use, alcohol consumption, and other illegal and troublesome things. All of which i refuse to participate in. If only you knew the people from my county you would know that i'm mature compared to them.

What the h*** are you talking about? Please support that claim with something valid.
 
What the h*** are you talking about? Please support that claim with something valid.

Incase you haven't noticed the number of teens increasingly using drugs, smoking, and drinking have increased. If you read the other post you would know that had I chose to stay with my middle school friends I may very well have ended up like that.
 
:confused: :dunno:

I don't drink, do drugs or other illegal things (ok, maybe I do go over the speed limit a little sometimes) but I do socialize. Can you explain that to me?

Maybe you need to learn manners, not social skills.

On this we are in agreement. Advanced social skills actually prevent drug abuse, alcohol abuse, and illegal or criminal behaviors.
 
On this we are in agreement. Advanced social skills actually prevent drug abuse, alcohol abuse, and illegal or criminal behaviors.

Or perhaps having a good head on your shoulders prevents drug abuse, etc.
 
PFH, I don't want to go there because I don't really know which behavior you are talking about.

I stopped reading a thread last night when I couldn't watch any more of a grown professional baiting and mocking an unformed 18 YO who has just gone through a traumatic and life-threatening accident that will change the way he interacts with the world forever and who has newly reached out to the deaf community. It's possible that the thread continued to deteriorate (hard to believe as it was pretty gruesome already) and he and/or others behaved very well, very badly, or somewhere in between -- but it makes me ill to review those last few pages, and my stomach needs to be in top form tonight. So I can't speak to his behavior beyond what I've read.

But I do know this: Don't most people who suddenly and permanently lose something they value feel pain? You have a young man suffering pain and loss. And the big concern here -- apparently -- isn't reaching him, a young deaf man, letting him know there's a community that he can be a part of, that this experience is opening up new worlds, that there are others who have experienced the same. The outrage expressed here is that feelings are hurt because he sees his situation as limiting and as the loss of a sense? He hasn't said anything against ASL, rejected Deaf Culture, promoted oralism, invoked AGBell or what have you. And people leaped in to mock his beliefs, his spirituality, his lifestyle choices, his age, his education, his knowledge of the medical field, his passion for music, his fears, and his hopes.

Aren't you a bit stronger than that as a community -- can't you take the unknowing offense of thinking that a sudden loss of hearing at 18 is actually a "loss" and be there for him, make him part of this group, so he has the opportunity to see things from his newly acquired deaf perspective?

He has done a lot of the things you say he has not. Tsk.

It is understandable that it would be traumatic for an 18 year old to go through that and we sympathize but the comments he made degrading others who are deaf, who use ASL and etc were unacceptable. I dont care how old one is..nobody should come in here and spout audist views and expect us to accept that. Maybe others find it acceptable.

I'm right there with you on that. He said:



The exact kind of garbage the rest of us deafies don't need to be reminded of.

I haven't seen that, but I've had some limited access to the board during the holidays, so I apologize if I've missed some cruelty on his part -- I don't condone intentional offense in any direction and I think that there are ways of handling unintentional offense without conflict. I have witnessed some real nastiness against him, though, and I'm speaking to that.

Well Grendel - As wise as you may are - Just please refrain from jumping into things with only your assumption. The "you guys are missing out" comment was post #25 of a 1,000 post thread. Then even in this thread Zebadee included the fact that ASL was not effective, even in group settings - that was post 40, ALSO the FIRST time ASL was even brought up in that thread. By that person himself.

That kind of behavior continued ALL the way to the end by himself. THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.. CI's and what not was NEVER the problem.

There has been at least 15 people that have told zebadee to grow some respect(I posted some above) - I can easily find much more. It shows a ton of character for someone to back him and his disparaging comments.

So if you want to keep beating a dead horse with no substance.. well, so be it - you're just foolish doing so.
 
I haven't seen that, but I've had some limited access to the board during the holidays, so I apologize if I've missed some cruelty on his part -- I don't condone intentional offense in any direction and I think that there are ways of handling unintentional offense without conflict. I have witnessed some real nastiness against him, though, and I'm speaking to that.

So...you've witnessed nastiness against him, but failed to notice the nastiness he spread all over others that provoked the reactions he received?
 
Incase you haven't noticed the number of teens increasingly using drugs, smoking, and drinking have increased. If you read the other post you would know that had I chose to stay with my middle school friends I may very well have ended up like that.

What does that have to do with having social skills?

And, if you check the most recent statistics, teen drug use is going down steadily, and has been for several years.
 
Well Grendel - As wise as you may are - Just please refrain from jumping into things with only your assumption. The "you guys are missing out" comment was post #25 of a 1,000 post thread. Then even in this thread Zebadee included the fact that ASL was not effective, even in group settings - that was post 40, ALSO the FIRST time ASL was even brought up in that thread. By that person himself.

That kind of behavior continued ALL the way to the end by himself. THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.. CI's and what not was NEVER the problem.

There has been at least 15 people that have told zebadee to grow some respect(I posted some above) - I can easily find much more. It shows a ton of character for someone to back him and his disparaging comments.

So if you want to keep beating a dead horse with no substance.. well, so be it - you're just foolish doing so.

It just feels like those who cry foul with many of us accuse us of doing all the attacking catch our posts but dont catch those that have belittled our values and beliefs. I am seeing a pattern with not just her but with many of the others. Interesting, isnt it?
 
Or perhaps having a good head on your shoulders prevents drug abuse, etc.

Unfortunately, it has virtually nothing to do with "having a good head on your shoulders." If it did, we would not see professions such as medical personnel and legal services with such high addiction rates.
 
It just feels like those who cry foul with many of us accuse us of doing all the attacking catch our posts but dont catch those that have belittled our values and beliefs. I am seeing a pattern with not just her but with many of the others. Interesting, isnt it?

I've noticed the same pattern for quite a while now.
 
What does that have to do with having social skills?

And, if you check the most recent statistics, teen drug use is going down steadily, and has been for several years.

What does it have to do with having social skills? The fact that I do have them, I had a group of friends in middle school, saw where they were going, then found a new group of friends. Sounds very sociable to me. Smart if I might add.

What does it say for teen alcohol use, or smoking?
 
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