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[posts from hell]

You may or may not be referring to me in this post. But I did state that it was to CI patients. I never said that I was being attacked or threatened. I also stated that ASL wasn't a bad thing, it just didn't work for me in my particular situation.



You should know "learning social skills" can lead to drug use, alcohol consumption, and other illegal and troublesome things. All of which i refuse to participate in. If only you knew the people from my county you would know that i'm mature compared to them.

So are you one of these who refuses to partake in sports because it "promotes violence"?

 

[shel90]

You may or may not be referring to me in this post. But I did state that it was to CI patients. I never said that I was being attacked or threatened. I also stated that ASL wasn't a bad thing, it just didn't work for me in my particular situation.



You should know "learning social skills" can lead to drug use, alcohol consumption, and other illegal and troublesome things. All of which i refuse to participate in. If only you knew the people from my county you would know that i'm mature compared to them.

I am referring to more than one person.

 

[zebadee2010]

So are you one of these who refuses to partake in sports because it "promotes violence"?

Actually I don't partake in sports because I have CF, which as you may or may not know causes lung problems. Running is fairly difficult..

 

[shel90]

Actually I don't partake in sports because I have CF, which as you may or may not know causes lung problems. Running is fairly difficult..

PFH is speaking hypothetically.

 

[LoveBlue]

You should know "learning social skills" can lead to drug use, alcohol consumption, and other illegal and troublesome things.

I don't drink, do drugs or other illegal things (ok, maybe I do go over the speed limit a little sometimes) but I do socialize. Can you explain that to me?

Maybe you need to learn manners, not social skills.

 

[zebadee2010]

PFH is speaking hypothetically.

Be that as it may, I was simply answering his question.

 

[shel90]

Be that as it may, I was simply answering his question.

If you could, would you or would you not participate in sports?

 

[zebadee2010]

I don't drink, do drugs or other illegal things (ok, maybe I do go over the speed limit a little sometimes) but I do socialize. Can you explain that to me?

Maybe you need to learn manners, not social skills.

You may not, but if I stayed with the group of friends I had in middle school, there's no doubt i would be on drugs now.

 

[zebadee2010]

If you could, would you or would you not participate in sports?

I would, not in football though. It seems to be my most hated sport. I prefer soccer, baseball, or basketball.

 

[LoveBlue]

And for all the deaf people out there, i really feel sorry for you even though you probably don't want me to. but ya'll are missing quite a lot.

zebadee2010, this is where you took your first misstep and a doozy of one at that.

 

[GrendelQ]

Tell me - Do you fully endorse Zebadee's behavior?

PFH, I don't want to go there because I don't really know which behavior you are talking about.

I stopped reading a thread last night when I couldn't watch any more of a grown professional baiting and mocking an unformed 18 YO who has just gone through a traumatic and life-threatening accident that will change the way he interacts with the world forever and who has newly reached out to the deaf community. It's possible that the thread continued to deteriorate (hard to believe as it was pretty gruesome already) and he and/or others behaved very well, very badly, or somewhere in between -- but it makes me ill to review those last few pages, and my stomach needs to be in top form tonight. So I can't speak to his behavior beyond what I've read.

But I do know this: Don't most people who suddenly and permanently lose something they value feel pain? You have a young man suffering pain and loss. And the big concern here -- apparently -- isn't reaching him, a young deaf man, letting him know there's a community that he can be a part of, that this experience is opening up new worlds, that there are others who have experienced the same. The outrage expressed here is that feelings are hurt because he sees his situation as limiting and as the loss of a sense? He hasn't said anything against ASL, rejected Deaf Culture, promoted oralism, invoked AGBell or what have you. And people leaped in to mock his beliefs, his spirituality, his lifestyle choices, his age, his education, his knowledge of the medical field, his passion for music, his fears, and his hopes.

Aren't you a bit stronger than that as a community -- can't you take the unknowing offense of thinking that a sudden loss of hearing at 18 is actually a "loss" and be there for him, make him part of this group, so he has the opportunity to see things from his newly acquired deaf perspective?

 

[AlleyCat]

What I find interesting is that at least one hearing parent has referred to the deaf people on this forum as "these people" and are not in the least bit interested in socializing with us. I'm quoting that just about verbatim. So, if such a disinterest in us, why even come here and pick fights with us? Same playground bullying, only online? The same bullying many of us deafies had to endure growing up? Thank you.

This is a forum that caters to the Deaf community, yet one hearing parent has actually made fun of a deaf poster's pronunciation. About one of the rudest things a hearing person can do to a deaf person. Yep, online playground bullies, nothing more, nothing less. Again, thank you.

 

[Bottesini]

PFH, I don't want to go there because I don't really know which behavior you are talking about.

I stopped reading a thread last night when I couldn't watch any more of a grown professional baiting and mocking an unformed 18 YO who has just gone through a traumatic and life-threatening accident that will change the way he interacts with the world forever and who has newly reached out to the deaf community. It's possible that the thread continued to deteriorate (hard to believe as it was pretty gruesome already) and he and/or others behaved very well, very badly, or somewhere in between -- but it makes me ill to review those last few pages, and my stomach needs to be in top form tonight. So I can't speak to his behavior beyond what I've read.

But I do know this: Don't most people who suddenly and permanently lose something they value feel pain? You have a young man suffering pain and loss. And the big concern here -- apparently -- isn't reaching him, a young deaf man, letting him know there's a community that he can be a part of, that this experience is opening up new worlds, that there are others who have experienced the same. The outrage expressed here is that feelings are hurt because he sees his situation as limiting and as the loss of a sense? He hasn't said anything against ASL, rejected Deaf Culture, promoted oralism, invoked AGBell or what have you. And people leaped in to mock his beliefs, his spirituality, his lifestyle choices, his age, his education, his knowledge of the medical field, his passion for music, his fears, and his hopes.

Aren't you a bit stronger than that as a community -- can't you take the unknowing offense of thinking that a sudden loss of hearing at 18 is actually a "loss" and be there for him, make him part of this group, so he has the opportunity to see things from his newly acquired deaf perspective?

He has done a lot of the things you say he has not. Tsk.

 

[shel90]

PFH, I don't want to go there because I don't really know which behavior you are talking about.

I stopped reading a thread last night when I couldn't watch any more of a grown professional baiting and mocking an unformed 18 YO who has just gone through a traumatic and life-threatening accident that will change the way he interacts with the world forever and who has newly reached out to the deaf community. It's possible that the thread continued to deteriorate (hard to believe as it was pretty gruesome already) and he and/or others behaved very well, very badly, or somewhere in between -- but it makes me ill to review those last few pages, and my stomach needs to be in top form tonight. So I can't speak to his behavior beyond what I've read.

But I do know this: Don't most people who suddenly and permanently lose something they value feel pain? You have a young man suffering pain and loss. And the big concern here -- apparently -- isn't reaching him, a young deaf man, letting him know there's a community that he can be a part of, that this experience is opening up new worlds, that there are others who have experienced the same. The outrage expressed here is that feelings are hurt because he sees his situation as limiting and as the loss of a sense? He hasn't said anything against ASL, rejected Deaf Culture, promoted oralism, invoked AGBell or what have you. And people leaped in to mock his beliefs, his spirituality, his lifestyle choices, his age, his education, his knowledge of the medical field, his passion for music, his fears, and his hopes.

Aren't you a bit stronger than that as a community -- can't you take the unknowing offense of thinking that a sudden loss of hearing at 18 is actually a "loss" and be there for him, make him part of this group, so he has the opportunity to see things from his newly acquired deaf perspective?

It is understandable that it would be traumatic for an 18 year old to go through that and we sympathize but the comments he made degrading others who are deaf, who use ASL and etc were unacceptable. I dont care how old one is..nobody should come in here and spout audist views and expect us to accept that. Maybe others find it acceptable.

 

[shel90]

What I find interesting is that at least one hearing parent has referred to the deaf people on this forum as "these people" and are not in the least bit interested in socializing with us. I'm quoting that just about verbatim. So, if such a disinterest in us, why even come here and pick fights with us? Same playground bullying, only online? The same bullying many of us deafies had to endure growing up? Thank you.

This is a forum that caters to the Deaf community, yet one hearing parent has actually made fun of a deaf poster's pronunciation. About one of the rudest things a hearing person can do to a deaf person. Yep, online playground bullies, nothing more, nothing less. Again, thank you.

 

[LoveBlue]

You may not, but if I stayed with the group of friends I had in middle school, there's no doubt i would be on drugs now.

What does that have to do with what I had said? What I said was social skills...how to "talk" with others w/o offending them.

 

[AlleyCat]

It is understandable that it would be traumatic for an 18 year old to go through that and we sympathize but the comments he made degrading others who are deaf, who use ASL and etc were unacceptable. I dont care how old one is..nobody should come in here and spout audist views and expect us to accept that. Maybe others find it acceptable.

I'm right there with you on that. He said:

And for all the deaf people out there, i really feel sorry for you even though you probably don't want me to. but ya'll are missing quite a lot.

The exact kind of garbage the rest of us deafies don't need to be reminded of.

 

[jillio]

Get yourself a prescription for a sense of humor.

I have a great sense of humor. Just ask the people around here who actually interact with me instead of trying to convince me that their 3 or 4 years of dealing with a deaf child provides them some sort of expertise.

Isn't it odd that the Deafies had a very civil discussion going until the 3 CI parents came back and and started throwing insults around?

 

[GrendelQ]

He has done a lot of the things you say he has not. Tsk.

I haven't seen that, but I've had some limited access to the board during the holidays, so I apologize if I've missed some cruelty on his part -- I don't condone intentional offense in any direction and I think that there are ways of handling unintentional offense without conflict. I have witnessed some real nastiness against him, though, and I'm speaking to that.

 

[jillio]

Oh well more Alice in Deafland discussion. I am deaf but it seems isn't real because I don't subscribe to the ideology of my deafness as a "cultural construct" self defied by persons who ARE NOT ACTUALLY DEAF. Correct Jillio & PFH? I have mentioned before -here-I knew I would become bilateral deaf-SILENCE-since Feb/92. It happened on December 20. 2006. That is why I actually previously attempted to learn ASL. Extremely difficult without a great deal of continuous practice.I also know CHS/Toronto does have ASL classes but took SpeechReading instead. That is why I stopped the futile exercise. Within my extended social circle-still don't know any deaf persons using ASL-today! Pace JennyB/Mrs Buckett who live in Toronto.
I have also mentioned reading an "interesting screed" called A journey into the DEAF-WORLD Harlan Lane ( Hearing person!),Robert Hoffmeister& Bob Bahan. In chapter 14 they detail the secret agenda of the Hearing-eradicating the DEAF_WORLD! shocking what ENT doctors are up to! Gee: should I check out whether a trip to Mars is necessary to escape the clutches of ENT doctors? It is in Toronto Public library 305.90816 LAN
Previously asked if either Jillio or PFH accept this as the current situation? Still waiting.
Enough for the moment and perhaps Alice In Deafland will retire tonight! Hope springs eternal. Happy New Years

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

Whatever you say, drphil, whatever you say.:roll:

I answered your question. It just wasn't the answer you wanted. BTW...you are attempting to comment on perspectives that you have virtually no understanding of. Educate yourself, come back, and I will be more than happy to discuss the anthropological and sociological implications of deafness.