Wish for 2011

[jillio]

Sure I play video games. Call of Duty is my favorite!

Aren't you concerned about the correlation to violent behavior in children and adolescents who play violent video games?

 

[jillio]

What does it have to do with having social skills? The fact that I do have them, I had a group of friends in middle school, saw where they were going, then found a new group of friends. Sounds very sociable to me. Smart if I might add.

What does it say for teen alcohol use, or smoking?

Uh...you have an incorrect perception of what is meant by the term "social skills".

 

[zebadee2010]

Unfortunately, it has virtually nothing to do with "having a good head on your shoulders." If it did, we would not see professions such as medical personnel and legal services with such high addiction rates.

That just means they didn't have a good head on their shoulders. They hung out with the wrong crowd. They got caught up in drinking, smoking, drugs, what have you. That doesn't mean that i'm not sociable because I don't do some sort of substance.

 

[AlleyCat]

It just feels like those who cry foul with many of us accuse us of doing all the attacking catch our posts but dont catch those that have belittled our values and beliefs. I am seeing a pattern with not just her but with many of the others. Interesting, isnt it?

So well said. We're cast as the playground bullies, but those who do the bullying don't see themselves. It's been an ugly pattern for many months now.

 

[zebadee2010]

Aren't you concerned about the correlation to violent behavior in children and adolescents who play violent video games?

No i'm not concerned.

Uh...you have an incorrect perception of what is meant by the term "social skills".

Please define the term social skills.

 

[jillio]

That just means they didn't have a good head on their shoulders. They hung out with the wrong crowd. They got caught up in drinking, smoking, drugs, what have you. That doesn't mean that i'm not sociable because I don't do some sort of substance.

It means nothing of the kind. Really, you need to stop making such uninformed remarks. You just set yourself up for correction.

No one said you weren't sociable. They said you need to learn social skills. That is a very different thing.

 

[posts from hell]

Incase you haven't noticed the number of teens increasingly using drugs, smoking, and drinking have increased. If you read the other post you would know that had I chose to stay with my middle school friends I may very well have ended up like that.

You know? Virginity is up, teen smoking is down???

Teen smoking in Canada:

Link: Teens react to shocking smoking statistics | The Toronto Observer

Teen smoking in the USA:

link: Decline in Teen Smoking Rate Levels Off - OverOll.com - 284646

Virginity rates - not looking hard enough but this is from 2004...
Teenage Pregnancy Rate Drops as Teenage Virginity Rate Rises for Tenth Straight Year

 

[LoveBlue]

That just means they didn't have a good head on their shoulders. They hung out with the wrong crowd. They got caught up in drinking, smoking, drugs, what have you. That doesn't mean that i'm not sociable because I don't do some sort of substance.

You're the one who equated drugs, etc with "learning social skills".:roll:

 

[posts from hell]

It means nothing of the kind. Really, you need to stop making such uninformed remarks. You just set yourself up for correction.

No one said you weren't sociable. They said you need to learn social skills. That is a very different thing.

Done

 

[zebadee2010]

It means nothing of the kind. Really, you need to stop making such uninformed remarks. You just set yourself up for correction.

No one said you weren't sociable. They said you need to learn social skills. That is a very different thing.

I must be terribly uniformed having just gotten out of the scene. You've been out of the teen stage for how long? Things do change over time you know.

I don't see how its all that different really. You need to have social skills to be sociable.

 

[jillio]

No i'm not concerned.



Please define the term social skills.

Knowing how to interact with others without offending. Knowing what is acceptable behavior and what isn't acceptable behavior in a wide variety of circumstances.

Here is an example of your complete lack of social skills. When you were attempting to guess my age you asked me if I had had an abortion. That is completely socially unacceptable and indicates that you are unable to determine what is and isn't appropriate in a social setting. You also called me a slut during the same conversation. In many social settings, that would get you knocked on your young butt. Definately not socially acceptable behavior. Yet you saw absolutely nothing wrong with your remarks. Lack of social skills.

 

[posts from hell]

I must be terribly uniformed having just gotten out of the scene. You've been out of the teen stage for how long? Things do change over time you know.

I don't see how its all that different really. You need to have social skills to be sociable.

I refer you to my graphs, its apparent you don't know what youre talking about.

 

[posts from hell]

*waiting for next correction*

 

[jillio]

I must be terribly uniformed having just gotten out of the scene. You've been out of the teen stage for how long? Things do change over time you know.

I don't see how its all that different really. You need to have social skills to be sociable.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it isn't the case. Give yourself a little time to grow up, learn, and experience real life, young one.

 

[Anij]

You should know that I did in fact speak out about ASL, i said that it wasn't very effective in a group situation and no matter how effective it was that I didn't care for it and it wouldn't help me in the career I have planned.

Since you're ignorant (technical meaning, not derogatory) about ASL - and signed languages in general I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion as it's actually very incorrect.

Firstly - ASL is actually VERY suited for groups settings and in many ways is much EASIER to use in larger groups, especially those in noisy environments, than spoken language. Obviously (as a hearing person, who's recently become deaf) you've never socialized with a group of Signers in a social situation to observe this in real life and thusly are basing your statements on what you envision in your head (much like you envisioned being able to SEE soundproofing in building, when this is in fact not commonly the case at all).


Secondly - you'd be surprised how many people in concert/music/loud settings use ASL, or at least basic signs to communicate as it is MUCH easier to see across distances, isn't effected by noise (even with pro noise cancelling in-ear-monitors & noise cancelling mics for backline communication - loud noises make communication challenging) and is (can be) silent thus allowing instructions/information to be passed between those in a sound booth/recording rooms and the mix/mastering studio without having to do a re-take.


I get that you've been involved in helping your church and others with concerts and sound - however this is NOTHING like real backline or concert audio in a professional situation. What you've experienced is what most of us (music industry) would call "modified basic" - ie taking the absolute basics of A/V and using entry level products to mimic "the real stuff" (unless you've been touring with a major label band, or working in a professional recording studio).

You may be "very experienced" for an 18 year old ... but a lot of things are learned through time... which cannot be rushed. You can study up as much as you want - but the only way to become experienced in something is doing it day in and day out for years - decades THEN (with hard work, good mentors, appropriate instruction and apprenticeships and doing the same thing a few thousand times a year for years) THEN you will have the knowledge base to back the "stuff" you claim.

Again - I'm honestly not trying to be rude, or discourage you - just remind you that you're total life experience is 18 years (which is less time than I've actaully been signing, less time than I've been doing pro-audio, mixing, mastering, recording etc)

 

[posts from hell]

Since you're ignorant (technical meaning, not derogatory) about ASL - and signed languages in general I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion as it's actually very incorrect.

Firstly - ASL is actually VERY suited for groups settings and in many ways is much EASIER to use in larger groups, especially those in noisy environments, than spoken language. Obviously (as a hearing person, who's recently become deaf) you've never socialized with a group of Signers in a social situation to observe this in real life and thusly are basing your statements on what you envision in your head (much like you envisioned being able to SEE soundproofing in building, when this is in fact not commonly the case at all).


Secondly - you'd be surprised how many people in concert/music/loud settings use ASL, or at least basic signs to communicate as it is MUCH easier to see across distances, isn't effected by noise, and is silent (allowing instructions to be passed between those in a sound booth and recording room without having to do a re-take).


I get that you've been involved in helping your church and others with concerts and sound - however this is NOTHING like real backline or concert audio in a professional situation. What you've experienced is what most of us (music industry) would call "modified basic" - ie taking the absolute basics of A/V and using entry level products to mimic "the real stuff" (unless you've been touring with a major label band, or working in a professional recording studio).

You may be "very experienced" for an 18 year old ... but a lot of things are learned through time... which cannot be rushed. You can study up as much as you want - but the only way to become experienced in something is doing it day in and day out for years - decades THEN (with hard work, good mentors, appropriate instruction and apprenticeships and doing the same thing a few thousand times a year for years) THEN you will have the knowledge base to back the "stuff" you claim.

Again - I'm honestly not trying to be rude, or discourage you - just remind you that you're total life experience is 18 years (which is less time than I've actaully been signing, less time than I've been doing pro-audio, mixing, mastering, recording etc)

CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You may be perceived as anti ci for saying that.

 

[GrendelQ]

The "you guys are missing out" comment was post #25 of a 1,000 post thread. Then even in this thread Zebadee included the fact that ASL was not effective, even in group settings - that was post 40, ALSO the FIRST time ASL was even brought up in that thread. By that person himself.

PFH. We often go head to head, and I think you can be (and like to be) a pain in the ass, and I like you and would love your influence on my daughter. I don't know why you are being snide with the "smart" and "wise" comments -- I try to do my very best to understand my daughter and the world she lives in but never would presume to know you or yours better than you do, unlike some others here who think they know my child better than I do.

But have you considered that Z is not saying this intentionally to offend, but that he is just expressing what he currently thinks of deafness at this time in his life, and that this is an ideal teaching moment, rather than an opportunity for a beat down? It's what he knows now. There was a whole lot I didn't know at 18 and a whole lot I don't know now that 20 years from now will be clear. Teaching need not be done with a stick, often a good model is exactly what someone needs.

This kid was put through the ringer by a bunch of adults who have had their whole lives to understand and express and change their worldview. Some here have described their own lack of awareness in the past. Had the Deaf world beat them up for it as teenagers and shown them the door, they may not now be here today, key participants in making the world a better place for deafies.

 

[GrendelQ]

Since you're ignorant (technical meaning, not derogatory) about ASL - and signed languages in general I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion as it's actually very incorrect.

Firstly - ASL is actually VERY suited for groups settings and in many ways is much EASIER to use in larger groups, especially those in noisy environments, than spoken language. Obviously (as a hearing person, who's recently become deaf) you've never socialized with a group of Signers in a social situation to observe this in real life and thusly are basing your statements on what you envision in your head (much like you envisioned being able to SEE soundproofing in building, when this is in fact not commonly the case at all).


Secondly - you'd be surprised how many people in concert/music/loud settings use ASL, or at least basic signs to communicate as it is MUCH easier to see across distances, isn't effected by noise (even with pro noise cancelling in-ear-monitors & noise cancelling mics for backline communication - loud noises make communication challenging) and is (can be) silent thus allowing instructions/information to be passed between those in a sound booth/recording rooms and the mix/mastering studio without having to do a re-take.


I get that you've been involved in helping your church and others with concerts and sound - however this is NOTHING like real backline or concert audio in a professional situation. What you've experienced is what most of us (music industry) would call "modified basic" - ie taking the absolute basics of A/V and using entry level products to mimic "the real stuff" (unless you've been touring with a major label band, or working in a professional recording studio).

You may be "very experienced" for an 18 year old ... but a lot of things are learned through time... which cannot be rushed. You can study up as much as you want - but the only way to become experienced in something is doing it day in and day out for years - decades THEN (with hard work, good mentors, appropriate instruction and apprenticeships and doing the same thing a few thousand times a year for years) THEN you will have the knowledge base to back the "stuff" you claim.

Again - I'm honestly not trying to be rude, or discourage you - just remind you that you're total life experience is 18 years (which is less time than I've actaully been signing, less time than I've been doing pro-audio, mixing, mastering, recording etc)

Makes a lot of sense.

 

[posts from hell]

PFH. We often go head to head, and I think you can be (and like to be) a pain in the ass, and I like you and would love your influence on my daughter. I don't know why you are being snide with the "smart" and "wise" comments -- I try to do my very best to understand my daughter and the world she lives in but never would presume to know you or yours better than you do, unlike some others here who think they know my child better than I do.

But have you considered that Z is not saying this intentionally to offend, but that he is just expressing what he currently thinks of deafness at this time in his life, and that this is an ideal teaching moment, rather than an opportunity for a beat down? It's what he knows now. There was a whole lot I didn't know at 18 and a whole lot I don't know now that 20 years from now will be clear. Teaching need not be done with a stick, often a good model is exactly what someone needs.

This kid was put through the ringer by a bunch of adults who have had their whole lives to understand and express and change their worldview. Some here have described their own lack of awareness in the past. Had the Deaf world beat them up for it as teenagers and shown them the door, they may not now be here today, key participants in making the world a better place for deafies.

I was responding to your first post - and it had "anti ci" written all over it - while the issue on hand clearly was not the case of anti ci.

The reason I said smart is because you are capable of reading all these posts and come out saying that Z was not offensive. It doesnt take much to see that he has been offensive from the get go and ALL THE WAY THROUGH. That is the issue.

If you took the time, you would see at the first few posts people telling him to chill, and he initially apologized for the post #25. But as for everything else - he keeps going and going. THEN Other people come in and defend him, which also contributes to our feelings of audism....

If you are anti audism - as you should be for your daughters sake - you would have jumped in and helped rectify the situation, but no.

Then we get the post stating we're anti ci- which is off the wall, and wrong (as now everyone knows)... now that is why I am a bit irritated.

BTW: I don't even feel that you and me butt heads often at all...

 

[zebadee2010]

Knowing how to interact with others without offending. Knowing what is acceptable behavior and what isn't acceptable behavior in a wide variety of circumstances.

Here is an example of your complete lack of social skills. When you were attempting to guess my age you asked me if I had had an abortion. That is completely socially unacceptable and indicates that you are unable to determine what is and isn't appropriate in a social setting. You also called me a slut during the same conversation. In many social settings, that would get you knocked on your young butt. Definately not socially acceptable behavior. Yet you saw absolutely nothing wrong with your remarks. Lack of social skills.

Funny upon doing a google search I found this..

"A social skill is any skill facilitating interaction and communication with others. Social rules and relations are created, communicated, and changed in verbal and nonverbal ways. The process of learning such skills is called socialization. The rationale for this type of an approach to treatment is that people meet a variety of social problems and can reduce the stress and punishment from the encounter as well as increase their reinforcement by having the correct skills."

As for your age.

"Uh, you might want to google the age range for puberty.

And there are too many variables you are not considering in your guesses of my age. But that's okay. You don't have the life experience to consider all that could play into it yet. I love watching a kid trying to put together a puzzle without all the pieces."

You said I wasn't considering enough variables. I said assuming your not a slut.. Never did i say you were a slut. Regardless my point was that you were arguing with someone much younger than yourself.