Wish for 2011

[zebadee2010]

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it isn't the case. Give yourself a little time to grow up, learn, and experience real life, young one.

Just because you don't want to accept that things change doesn't mean they don't.

 

[GrendelQ]

When you were attempting to guess my age you asked me if I had had an abortion.

I believe he asked if you had adopted.

 

[GrendelQ]

I was responding to your first post - and it had "anti ci" written all over it - while the issue on hand clearly was not the case of anti ci.

I was reacting to quite a few posts telling those with an interest in CIs to go off to a hearing aid forum, rather than to participate in an "all deaf" forum. I see that as anti-CI.

And I've now read the whole ugly thread, I think. Lovely. Worse than I thought. My comments stand.

 

[Anij]

I believe he asked if you had adopted.

No - actually he asked if she miscarried - which ANY adult knows is something that is not only RUDE it's just something that you NEVER EVER ASK.

Did you have a miscarriage the first time?

 

[posts from hell]

I was reacting to quite a few posts telling those with an interest in CIs to go off to a hearing aid forum, rather than to participate in an "all deaf" forum. I see that as anti-CI.

Now, please tell me your opinion on Rick's general tone.

 

[posts from hell]

No - actually he asked if she miscarried - which ANY adult knows is something that is not only RUDE it's just something that you NEVER EVER ASK.

Yup, here it is:
http://www.alldeaf.com/1738637-post831.html

 

[GrendelQ]

Now, please tell me your opinion on Rick's general tone.

Maybe you need to set up a "hot or not" poll so we can all rank each other.

 

[zebadee2010]

Since you're ignorant (technical meaning, not derogatory) about ASL - and signed languages in general I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion as it's actually very incorrect.

Firstly - ASL is actually VERY suited for groups settings and in many ways is much EASIER to use in larger groups, especially those in noisy environments, than spoken language. Obviously (as a hearing person, who's recently become deaf) you've never socialized with a group of Signers in a social situation to observe this in real life and thusly are basing your statements on what you envision in your head (much like you envisioned being able to SEE soundproofing in building, when this is in fact not commonly the case at all).


Secondly - you'd be surprised how many people in concert/music/loud settings use ASL, or at least basic signs to communicate as it is MUCH easier to see across distances, isn't effected by noise (even with pro noise cancelling in-ear-monitors & noise cancelling mics for backline communication - loud noises make communication challenging) and is (can be) silent thus allowing instructions/information to be passed between those in a sound booth/recording rooms and the mix/mastering studio without having to do a re-take.


I get that you've been involved in helping your church and others with concerts and sound - however this is NOTHING like real backline or concert audio in a professional situation. What you've experienced is what most of us (music industry) would call "modified basic" - ie taking the absolute basics of A/V and using entry level products to mimic "the real stuff" (unless you've been touring with a major label band, or working in a professional recording studio).

You may be "very experienced" for an 18 year old ... but a lot of things are learned through time... which cannot be rushed. You can study up as much as you want - but the only way to become experienced in something is doing it day in and day out for years - decades THEN (with hard work, good mentors, appropriate instruction and apprenticeships and doing the same thing a few thousand times a year for years) THEN you will have the knowledge base to back the "stuff" you claim.

Again - I'm honestly not trying to be rude, or discourage you - just remind you that you're total life experience is 18 years (which is less time than I've actaully been signing, less time than I've been doing pro-audio, mixing, mastering, recording etc)

I still disagree that ASL isn't as easy to use in a group setting. You have to wait your turn and look at everyone, instead if you can hear you can be focused on one person talking while someone else chimes in and decide who you want to listen to.

I will say that basic signs are used in the music industry as most settings the Front of House board is quite far from the stage, in addition to having the loud music.

Not trying to be smart, but I do have experience. I've been doing it since I was 15. Started at my church and ended up with concerts. You should know that some churches actually use higher end equipment. Never did I say that I know how the pros do it or that we use really high end stuff, just that I have more experience that one would think.

I was responding to your first post - and it had "anti ci" written all over it - while the issue on hand clearly was not the case of anti ci.

The reason I said smart is because you are capable of reading all these posts and come out saying that Z was not offensive. It doesnt take much to see that he has been offensive from the get go and ALL THE WAY THROUGH. That is the issue.

If you took the time, you would see at the first few posts people telling him to chill, and he initially apologized for the post #25. But as for everything else - he keeps going and going. THEN Other people come in and defend him, which also contributes to our feelings of audism....

If you are anti audism - as you should be for your daughters sake - you would have jumped in and helped rectify the situation, but no.

Then we get the post stating we're anti ci- which is off the wall, and wrong (as now everyone knows)... now that is why I am a bit irritated.

BTW: I don't even feel that you and me butt heads often at all...

The reason I intentionally stopped apologizing was because you all seemed to find it offensive for me to say sorry you can't hear. I still really do feel sorry that you can't hear. It's a wonderful world.

 

[zebadee2010]

Yup, here it is:
http://www.alldeaf.com/1738637-post831.html

Well in the middle of a heated argument, I didn't feel that normal rules applied.

 

[Bottesini]

I still disagree that ASL isn't as easy to use in a group setting. You have to wait your turn and look at everyone, instead if you can hear you can be focused on one person talking while someone else chimes in and decide who you want to listen to.





The reason I intentionally stopped apologizing was because you all seemed to find it offensive for me to say sorry you can't hear. I still really do feel sorry that you can't hear. It's a wonderful world.

Thanks. That's so much nicer than you were before.

 

[GrendelQ]

Yup, here it is:
http://www.alldeaf.com/1738637-post831.html

I don't know which is stranger, Jillio taunting the kid to google the age of puberty to determine her age and to factor in other variables, or his willingness to follow her direction. Might tell you something about both of them.

 

[Bottesini]

Well in the middle of a heated argument, I didn't feel that normal rules applied.

That is lack of social skills.

 

[zebadee2010]

That is lack of social skills.

Well as she is an elder. Not necessary the oldest, but in contrast to me she is an elder. You wouldn't think she would provoke such arguments.

 

[posts from hell]

I still disagree that ASL isn't as easy to use in a group setting. You have to wait your turn and look at everyone, instead if you can hear you can be focused on one person talking while someone else chimes in and decide who you want to listen to.

I will say that basic signs are used in the music industry as most settings the Front of House board is quite far from the stage, in addition to having the loud music.

Not trying to be smart, but I do have experience. I've been doing it since I was 15. Started at my church and ended up with concerts. You should know that some churches actually use higher end equipment. Never did I say that I know how the pros do it or that we use really high end stuff, just that I have more experience that one would think.





The reason I intentionally stopped apologizing was because you all seemed to find it offensive for me to say sorry you can't hear. I still really do feel sorry that you can't hear. It's a wonderful world.

Grendel, take care of this for us?

Edit: Even going out on a limb here and ask Faire Jour? Rick?

 

[Anij]

Not trying to be smart, but I do have experience. I've been doing it since I was 15.

Ok - so you have somewhere between 36 and 48 MONTHS experience ... if you worked at it 24/7/365
(I've taken more than that amount of time in paid holiday time from the industry than that)

I'm interested - what kind of board is your church running, near fields, mids, monitors etc. and what specifically your duties are, how often you do them, what type of training etc you have.

 

[posts from hell]

I don't know which is stranger, Jillio taunting the kid to google the age of puberty to determine her age and to factor in other variables, or his willingness to follow her direction. Might tell you something about both of them.

It's fun to yank a string of someone who is "all knowing", "experienced", "mature".... You and your buddies have taken part of this as well.

 

[faire_jour]

Wirelessly posted

Tell me - Do you fully endorse Zebadee's behavior?

I know you're asking GrendelQ this, but no, I think he was waaaay overboard (right word?). Though he thinks he's a mature 18 year old, he needs to learn some social skills.

i agree. He got mad and said a lot of stuff.

pfh, do you endorse everything that jillio says?

his posts came from fear and hurt feelings, hers are from self important smugness and general hatemongering.

 

[posts from hell]

Wirelessly posted



i agree. He got mad and said a lot of stuff.

pfh, do you endorse everything that jillio says?

his posts came from fear and hurt feelings, hers are from self important smugness and general hatemongering.

Out of like 40,000 posts of hers, I can only find a few I can disagree with. Believe me I have tried. So, using that, I don't endorse everything she says. I also used the term "behavior" for zebadee, and "tone" for Rick. Remember that.

Now, are you willing to contribute to reducing audism here on the board? I gave you an opportunity right here on a silver platter, no less.

 

[faire_jour]

Wirelessly posted

You may or may not be referring to me in this post. But I did state that it was to CI patients. I never said that I was being attacked or threatened. I also stated that ASL wasn't a bad thing, it just didn't work for me in my particular situation.



You should know "learning social skills" can lead to drug use, alcohol consumption, and other illegal and troublesome things. All of which i refuse to participate in. If only you knew the people from my county you would know that i'm mature compared to them.

I am referring to more than one person.

can you give another example of someone who "degraded ASL"?

 

[LoveBlue]

that is lack of social skills.

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