Why the World Hates the US?

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jiro123 said:
Betrayed or not - it's not relevant. I live with comfort knowing that the soldiers will do the job without questions. That's why I have a strong respect for them. We all know it's a shit job and it's fubar. Killing people? that ain't easy. Many people do not understand what require of them to have such strong discipline and mindset to obey a very difficult order.

It's you the citizens who vote the Commander-in-Chief to run our country and to lead our soldiers SO CHOOSE YOUR LEADER WISELY! Again - I strongly do not support the troops who have dissenting views toward their superiors - by doing so, they're putting everybody's lives in danger. They do not belong in military. They're better off being as protesters or civilians.
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I guess that you didn´t read those links, I provided...

Its about Iraq war. We know that Iraq war is not really necassary. They have the right to against it because they feel that it´s illegal war and know from their experience that it´s not really necassary.

Can you please explain me why Iraq war is a neccassary if you think it´s really neccassary?


 
Liebling:-))) said:
Its about Iraq war only. We know that Iraq war is not really necassary. They have the right to against it because they know from their experience that it´s not really necassary.
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What if we have another war like Iraq? And no... by joining military, you give up all rights to dissent against any decisions made by superiors. Like I said - soldier's opinion is of no concern in any matter. Leave it to superiors to decide. Just as much as kids have no say in any matter once their parents have made their final decisions.
 
jiro123 said:
I cannot support troops who speak out against their superiors. That's the sign of mutiny, disruption, and disobedience. We can't have any of those in military - no matter what the case is.
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Jiro, it's up to you, but I don't believe that U.S. soldiers are voicing the things reported here. We know GIs gripe, and maybe there's eavesdropping going on that gets taken wrong a dozen ways, but that should be no surprise considering the source.
 
Chase said:
Jiro, it's up to you, but I don't believe that U.S. soldiers are voicing the things reported here. We know GIs gripe, and maybe there's eavesdropping going on that gets taken wrong a dozen ways, but that should be no surprise considering the source.
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yea we all know Iraq War was fubar and illegal but the point is - the orders must be followed. There will be investigations later and somebody will be held accountable for it. I certainly hope Bush and other politicians will be tried at War Tribunal Court for this heinous war crime.
 
Chase, maybe said source should go to her supervisor next Monday morning and hand in a memo outlining all previously mentioned objections over what we are doing over there and see if that gets her a raise, lol.
 
Necktie party or maybe firing squad session at dawn.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
You really have no idea...

That´s why I support troops.
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Do you support all American troops including those who are proud of their service, don't complain, re-enlist, volunteer for another tour in Iraq, and make the military a career?

I went thru this same baloney in the '70s, during the Vietnam war. There were civilian groups of mostly young people outside our base who befriended young enlisted people by telling them they "supported" them. They would invite the military people to "parties", offer them dates, booze, or dope, and then proceed to tell them how their leaders were mistreating and lying to them, how the war was illegal, blah, blah, blah. Since I was a woman in the military their favorite spiels were how the military officers looked down on women, talked dirty about us, didn't treat us equally, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, that was supportive.

It was that kind of "support" that made military life more depressing.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
...Example: We have US and German troops here in Germany. They only doing to defend for our country. They help us if any happened to us...
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Umm, do you remember the real reason US troops were in Germany in the first place? Do you know how and why the Americans got bases in Germany? Hint: it wasn't to defend Germany from invasion.
 
Reba said:
Umm, do you remember the real reason US troops were in Germany in the first place? Do you know how and why the Americans got bases in Germany? Hint: it wasn't to defend Germany from invasion.
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Just like they did in Japan after WW2.
 
Reba said:
Umm, do you remember the real reason US troops were in Germany in the first place? Do you know how and why the Americans got bases in Germany? Hint: it wasn't to defend Germany from invasion.
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Banjo said:
Just like they did in Japan after WW2.
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double-zing :whip:
 
jiro123 said:
What if we have another war like Iraq? And no... by joining military, you give up all rights to dissent against any decisions made by superiors. Like I said - soldier's opinion is of no concern in any matter. Leave it to superiors to decide. Just as much as kids have no say in any matter once their parents have made their final decisions.
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yea we all know Iraq War was fubar and illegal but the point is - the orders must be followed. There will be investigations later and somebody will be held accountable for it. I certainly hope Bush and other politicians will be tried at War Tribunal Court for this heinous war crime.
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Sure, they follow the rules accord the contract agreement as long as they station any casernes in the world until they decided to resign US Army few weeks to months before their agreement contract end then suddenly are being force to extend their agreement contract. Should they respect for that? I don't blame them for lost their trust and respect. It's no opinion but fact.

Example:
Want To Go To War? | US Army forces 50,000 soldiers into extended duty
 
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jiro123 said:
What if we have another war like Iraq? And no... by joining military, you give up all rights to dissent against any decisions made by superiors. Like I said - soldier's opinion is of no concern in any matter. Leave it to superiors to decide. Just as much as kids have no say in any matter once their parents have made their final decisions.
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I listen my children's opinion/rant/venting and then solve this issues with them instead of treat them as soliders. :)
 
Reba said:
Do you support all American troops including those who are proud of their service, don't complain, re-enlist, volunteer for another tour in Iraq, and make the military a career?
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I respect their decision.

I went thru this same baloney in the '70s, during the Vietnam war. There were civilian groups of mostly young people outside our base who befriended young enlisted people by telling them they "supported" them. They would invite the military people to "parties", offer them dates, booze, or dope, and then proceed to tell them how their leaders were mistreating and lying to them, how the war was illegal, blah, blah, blah.
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I am sorry that you feel like this but you have to face sometimes when the people feel want to rant/vent out which is good for them to get out of their chest. I am sorry if you don't like it but you has to face sometimes when there're negative rant/vent. It's not just civilians but soliders as well.

Since I was a woman in the military their favorite spiels were how the military officers looked down on women, talked dirty about us, didn't treat us equally, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, that was supportive.
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It's your decision for want to join military, not their. I'm sorry what and how you feel... If they look down on you in negative way because you are a woman then is their loss and ignorance. I know many men look down on women at our old times which different at present time. Many women are acceptance to join Navy, military, builder, electricial, etc as equal as men at present time than our old times.

It was that kind of "support" that made military life more depressing.
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Why should it make people's life more depressing when they are happy to get their dream wish fulfilling?
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Reba said:
Umm, do you remember the real reason US troops were in Germany in the first place? Do you know how and why the Americans got bases in Germany? Hint: it wasn't to defend Germany from invasion.
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Yes I know why Americans got bases here in Germany, so?

All what I say that they are here in Germany to defend our countries against enemies, not go to attack enemy's countries..
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes I know why Americans got bases here in Germany, so?

All what I say that they are here in Germany to defend our countries against enemies, not go to attack enemy's countries..
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No....we are in Germany to make sure that the Germans don't invade other countries like they did in WWI and WWII.

We will never leave Germany, Japan, Guam, Wake Island, South Korea among other places.

I say, let's build an American military base in Iraq.
 
Byrdie714 said:
No....we are in Germany to make sure that the Germans don't invade other countries like they did in WWI and WWII.

We will never leave Germany, Japan, Guam, Wake Island, South Korea among other places.

I say, let's build an American military base in Iraq.
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that's exactly what American government is trying to do - an American appearance in Middle East. The bases in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia aren't good enough. They were severely limited in terms of military warfare. For ie - air force bases in Saudi Arabia cannot used for military attack.
 
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