Why the World Hates the US?

[Liebling:-)))]

You've never seen the international anti-war protesters on TV news? Have you asked your military friends how they feel when they see and hear so many people criticize them or look down on them?

I do not involve in anti-war protesters but I understand anti-war protesters's side. They want peace. War mean is order to kill innocent people... I also can understand why the world are furious with Bush for sent troops to Iraq which is a criminal... because Iraq did not start to attack America... why attack Iraq for when Iraq did not attack America?

Warning: It's not nice pictures to see.

U.S. Mercenaries Kill Iraqi's!

Past AND present. Don't you know about Code Pink?

Yes, for Iraq war only.

There are many career military people who are proud of their service.

As what you said that there're many career military people who are proud of their service... What? Can you explain me what kind of service, they are proud of?

Did they are proud of kill innocent people?

But it's still disheartening to hear and see that the people back home don't support them. How would you feel if large groups of people publicly criticized you every day for every thing that you did? Even if you know you are doing the right thing, it is NOT support to have people constantly criticizing you. Especially when you are far from home in a dangerous place, and you aren't allowed to speak back to the criticizers.

Maybe they mean pride soliders who wants to go Iraq? If yes, I can understand group's side.

The groups only support the troops for defend our country, not attack and kill innocnet in other countries. For them is dishearting to attack and kill innocnent people and also soliders killed to leave their family.

The fact is they are not proud to kill innocent people. It got them bad nightmare. It does the same with my and hubby's Grandfathers, uncles who experienced WWII... and great grandfather WWI.

Do you support all soldiers, even the ones who are proud of their war service? If you do, that's good.

Why should pride soliders need everyone's support when they determine to go Iraq and want to go Iraq again? I will be happy to support them if they ask me for support them for different reasons. Should I support pride soliders who brags for went to Iraq dozen of times? It make me think of poor innocent people when they brag for went to Iraq dozen of times... Thank God, I never experience with soliders who brags in real life...

Do you also not blame the ones who volunteer to go back for another tour in Iraq? I hope so.

There're nothing to blame but respect their decision. It's their choice for risk their life.

What are you talking about? Do you know the difference between battle and individual criminal activity? War isn't about one army "arresting" members of the other army.

, excuse me...

Did Iraq attack our countries and kill us? It's America who start to attack Iraq, not Iraq. What America did is an illegal. No wonder why Iraq defend their life and people against Americans...

If US Government disagree with something then arrest right one... not order their people to kill innocent people including children in Iraq because Iraq did not attack our countries, don't they?

Sometimes I wonder if more soldiers seek psychological help during this war because more disturbing things are happening, or because more psychological help is available.

Previous wars were just as psychologically disturbing but there wasn't much help available in the past. In past wars, combat soldiers were expected to just be tough and keep it to themselves.

:jaw:

I am total surprised that you think negative about soliders who seek the help. Okay, I experienced my Grandfather's rant/vent about his experience at WWII... He got nightmare time to time... I know a lot of soliders suffers the same... I support and understand totally what and how they had been through.

I do not beleive that soliders keep it themselves because it would end them suffer... If they do not suffer which mean is war is okay with them...

 

[Jiro]

I don't know where to begin... there are many holes in Liebling's statements. it's going to take a bit while for me to type up retorts (or counterarguments)..... <cracking my knuckles>

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Good. So we agree that the establishment of American bases in Germany had nothing to do with protecting Germany from attack.

During and after WWII yes, they protect people from Nazi and Hilter

Half of Germany did become communist. That was because the Soviets were one of the Allies that defeated Germany.

Exactly, that's what I tried to tell you in previous posts... Without troops's protect, the whole Germany would become communist...

Do you really believe that the reason America has bases in Germany is to protect Germany from an outside terrorist attack? Where did you get that information?

I would advise you to pay your attention on world new TV... Terrorists have been tried in Germany and fail after tried on other EU countries.

I guess you can't give a logical answer for that question. OK.

You do not want to see the logical why American bases are in Germany in my previous posts... Okay.

Because America didn't defeat Russia, China, or India in a war. America DID defeat Germany in a war. That's exactly what I've been saying.

Countries don't normally invite and voluntarily allow the military forces of other countries to establish bases in their countries. The armies of the victorious countries force the defeated countries to accept their bases, usually as a condition of surrender.

I don't know what should I cry or laugh... This is a feeble excuse!!!

You say that Germany wants peace now. That isn't forever.

Exactly, that's why there're anti-war groups around. The world are furious with America for continue with war... because we all want peace and leave Iraq alone.

Many foreign military members are stationed in America for training and liaison duty but the bases are still American. There are no foreign military bases in the US.

They allow foreign military members stationed in America... So? They might allow foreign military members to build the bases if they want to.

Those are two separate points.

No

1. The US Army does not protect the world from enemy countries. We don't have American armies in every country. We don't have bases in every country. That's why your statement was wrong.

Did I say EVERY country? Nope, I said US military bases are everywhere around the world, not every/each country.

Yes, over around 700 US Army bases protect many countries around the world. This is a defense.

If you think you know everything then is fine... I only post what I know... no matter either you think I am wrong or not... I do not force you to agree with me nor accuse you for your wrong statement but respect your view when I disagree with you.

2. The US Army does not control German citizenry now. The US Army did control German people during the period after WWII (re: Eisenhower's declaration). Now, Germany has its own civil government.

Correct.

One more, US Army have to obey German law when they are outside of US Army in Germany.

WWII history is not that old. There are millions of people still alive who lived thru that war.

Yes, WWII belongs history... which is old. There're a lot of people who accept it as history and move on...

The US Army doesn't control the German government or people.

Correct

The US Army doesn't protect the world.

Please don't twist my post... I said that many US Army bases in different countries around the world to protect them is a defense.

If you said that US Army bases is not for protect/defense their countries which mean that they attack other countries, not protect/defense? Right?

Even if the US wanted to "protect the world" all the other countries would complain and fight us. That's why so many people are against US participation in the Iraq war. Can you imagine the outcry if the US started "protecting" the world?

Because Iraq war is an illegal and criminal war.

At first we support and beleive that Iraq was responsible for 9/11 and terrorist, etc. until after Saddam Hussein's arrest and executed... The world know the oil is the reason why US government want troops continue to attack Iraq.. .which is an illegal and criminal. The world are furious with US Government and want to leave Iraq alone... No wonder why US soliders were being killed... because Iraq soliders want to defend their countries against US soliders.

We only support troops to defend our countries and serve for our countries and help/save victims against enemies, etc.

Here's the differences:

The people who lived during the US Civil War are all dead now. The political entity that was the Confederacy no longer exists. The conditions of surrender do not continue.

The people who lived during WWII are still alive now. Many of the political entities (nations) that existed during WWII still exist. The conditions of surrender continue.

It make no difference... it belongs history... many Nazi survivors accept and move on.

I don't mind focusing on the Iraq war. That was the basis for my original question. How can you in good conscience earn a paycheck from the organization that sends troops to a war that you are against?

:roll: I support troops for DEFENSE our country, not order them to kill inncocent people... Get it?

The people who make up the German government change thru the years. The people who remember the suffering of war will die off. So you can't say "never". You should take your own advice, "Don't say 'Never' ...because you never know..."

The history remain forever and never die... :roll:

The fact is German government do not want war but defense.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The Americans used German and American scientists and technology to beat Hilter to the atom bomb. Truman gave the go ahead to drop two bombs on Japan because they refused to surrender, and he wanted to avoid a deadly ground war.

So, what's your point?

No, atom bomb is Germany's program. Americans used German scientists for that... Nice try...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I don't know where to begin... there are many holes in Liebling's statements. it's going to take a bit while for me to type up retorts (or counterarguments)..... <cracking my knuckles>

I only post what I know... Okay, take your time... I am listening...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Accord the title of thread...

Are we jealous or do we hate America? and Why?
Are we jealous or do we hate America? and Why? « The Paua Palace

There're many comments in that link. I said in my previous posts several times that I do not beleive that the world hates America. Read those links, it written that it's not just America but many countries in the world also are no prefect either.

 

[jazzy]

Let's briefly review history.

Hitler invaded countries.

Hussein invaded countries. (Did you forget Iran and Kuwait?)


Hitler committed genocide against ethnic groups.

Hussein committed genocide against ethnic groups. (Did you forget the Kurds?)


Hitler had his political enemies killed.

Hussein had his political enemies killed.

We should have got rid of Hussein in Gulf war not present war, waste our money. Also we have other leaders around world which need to be remove for thier being corrupted but we did not do anything about it. For Iraq war, it is all about OIL. Nice try.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

We should have got rid of Hussein in Gulf war not present war, waste our money. Also we have other leaders around world which need to be remove for thier being corrupted but we did not do anything about it. For Iraq war, it is all about OIL. Nice try.

Yes, that's right.

 

[Jiro]

A lot of people wish to become what they are is fulfill their dream wish... I have a German neighbor (next main road from my house) who is career as solider. I am befriend with his wife. He said that it's his dream wish since childhood. If he feel bad and depress etc then those job is not right for him. He talk positive things about save and help the victims and defend, etc. He personally is against Iraq war.

Ever heard of National Guard? or Peace Corps? or Red Cross? He can join either one of those. That way - he won't have to feel bad about killing innocents or anything that involved any killing.

I do not beleive that soliders are depressing by civilian's negative words itself but their severe nightmare after their bad experience with war issues, etc. We all support them... That's why many soliders decided to resign Army... but they are being forced to extend their agreement contract that's depress them... I don't blame them...

Let me slightly correct you there. It's mostly those volunteers and National Guards who got screwed when their contracts got extended... not career soldiers. and yes they do get deeply hurt and yes their PTSDs do get worsened by civilians' criticisms. They thought they were doing something honorable but when they get home, they get spit at and get called as baby-killer or murderers. Because of that, they cannot sleep well most of time. They replay thoughts in their head about horrific things they've seen/done.

I also don't blame people for that because it's not necassary to kill innocnet people. They should arrest right one, not kill inncoent people including children... It got soliders bad nightmare... Many soliders seek therapy for the help after Iraq war.

Huh???? NOT necessary to kill innocent people??? What are you saying? they killed civilians on purpose or something? Please choose your word EXTREMELY carefully. It's an insult to your fellow American workers and soldiers you're working with. Innocent people always die in any war. it's called Collateral Damage. It's unavoidable but we do our best to minimize it. Our job is not to arrest people. It's United Nation's or Interpol's or War Tribunal Court's job to arrest one. We came in for military conflict. Did you forget that Saddam purposely led us to believe that he has WMD. His miscalculated deception cost him his life and a military conflict. Don't forget that we gave him AMPLE AMPLE of warnings for SEVERAL years. and what did he do? he spat at us, laughed at us, ignored U.N.' orders to allow inspection teams in, sold humanitarian aids for money to buy weapons, etc.

What Saddam Was Really Thinking

Yes, it is also reason as well. At first US soliders helped Britian and some European countries to attack Germany and then later stopped Russians for tried to take Germany over. Without US and Britian soliders, Germany country would be communist. Yes alot of the bases originated because we tried to protect the world from the communist countries. Now Terrorists

No.... the original reason was to keep Germany in check since Germany was responsible for 2 world wars just like what we did for Korea and Japan. And yes it was quickly later to serve as a deterrent for communism since Cold War was followed after WW2. Terrorism in Germany is not really USA's matter. It is Germany's matter to handle its domestic issue - that's why they have their own counter-terrorism unit called GSG-9.

Simple answer: Because America don't want those countries to get powerful. Question, why America doesn't have a base in Russia, China or India?

That's a lame attempt to come up with a cunning retort. Just like what Reba said - Russia, China, or India did not have a military conflict with USA. Correction is - American did not want those countries to REBUILD its military capability - especially for offense purpose. Time has changed and USA's slowly allowing them to have offense-type military.

Anyway, we are not interesting because we want peaceful, not war. My German neighbor was stationed in America.

How convenient of you to say that... soldiers fought and died for us just so we can say the word "peaceful."

Why you said that I am wrong when I said that US Army defend against enemies and protect the world from enemy countries? Now you said that you didn't say that US Army control Germans which mean that I am right.

We do defend our allied forces against aggressors MILITARILY. It's called NATO. Terrorism attack is not a military attack unless it's sanctioned by a rogue nation. It is domestic issue and it's each country's matter to deal with it. We no longer control Germans because it finally had its own civil government set up.

I thought you know what enemy is about... I do not wish to repeat since I already explain about enemy in my previous posts. Everyone know that enemies are everywhere in the world.. .It's soliders' job to protect the world from enemies.

Correct. It is soldier's job in any country to protect his country from enemy. But it is American's duty to protect the innocents in any country (well we try). That's why we came for Bosnia, Somalia, and South Africa coastal zone.

Who built the atom before put atom bomb to Japan?

silly! Albert Einstein - the German citizen, wrote a letter to President Franklin Roosevelt to urge him to create a-bomb. Beside - Harry Truman gave several warnings to Japanese Government. Don't forget that Truman DID NOT want to drop it but he had to and he made a right choice. Don't forget that Truman relieved General MacArthurs because he kept bugging Truman to drop 2-3 more a-bombs on China and North Korea. He probably saved a couple hundred thousand of people that could have died from prolonged war. Thanks God he dropped a-bomb on Japan... it ended WW2 for good immediately!

We're not a trigger-happy guy, if that's what you're thinking. We always give AMPLE amount of warnings to any rogue nations and aggressors because we know we have a destructive power.

 

[Jiro]

I do not involve in anti-war protesters but I understand anti-war protesters's side. They want peace. War mean is order to kill innocent people...

How do you have peace? By having war. You think we had our freedom and peace from England by having a tea party with Queen Elizabeth? Again - please choose your word carefully. War = innocent people die = collateral damage

I also can understand why the world are furious with Bush for sent troops to Iraq which is a criminal... because Iraq did not start to attack America... why attack Iraq for when Iraq did not attack America?

So Saddam used WMD on its own people and other countries.. invaded Kuwait.. should we still sit and do nothing until Saddam attacks us directly? As for 2nd war - Saddam taunted us, deceived us into believing he has WMD.

Warning: It's not nice pictures to see.

U.S. Mercenaries Kill Iraqi's!

......and? Do you want me to show you what Saddam and his sons did to people? BTW - those are just international mercenaries... nothing associated with US military.

As what you said that there're many career military people who are proud of their service... What? Can you explain me what kind of service, they are proud of?

to proudly go beyond and all to fight against the tyranny and to liberate the oppressed?

Did they are proud of kill innocent people?

and it puzzles me why you're working at American military base... I'm very deeply disturbed at your comment.

Did Iraq attack our countries and kill us?

so do you wanna wait for that chance?

If US Government disagree with something then arrest right one... not order their people to kill innocent people including children in Iraq because Iraq did not attack our countries, don't they?

very very poor choice of words... and incredibly insensitive. You need to quit your job. A job position at Amnesty International is more fitting for you.

I am total surprised that you think negative about soliders who seek the help. Okay, I experienced my Grandfather's rant/vent about his experience at WWII... He got nightmare time to time... I know a lot of soliders suffers the same... I support and understand totally what and how they had been through.

I do not beleive that soliders keep it themselves because it would end them suffer... If they do not suffer which mean is war is okay with them...

America's Medicated Army

"It's not easy for soldiers to admit the problems that they're having over there for a variety of reasons," LeJeune says. "If they do admit it, then the only solution given is pills."

And yet the battlefield seems an imperfect environment for widespread prescription of these medicines. LeJeune, who spent 15 months in Iraq before returning home in May 2004, says many more troops need help — pharmaceutical or otherwise — but don't get it because of fears that it will hurt their chance for promotion. "They don't want to destroy their career or make everybody go in a convoy to pick up your prescription," says LeJeune, now 34 and living in Utah.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Ever heard of National Guard? or Peace Corps? or Red Cross? He can join either one of those. That way - he won't have to feel bad about killing innocents or anything that involved any killing.

They are not involved for kill innocents that's why they don't feel bad. They support soliders who feel bad for kill innocents.

Let me slightly correct you there. It's mostly those volunteers and National Guards who got screwed when their contracts got extended... not career soldiers. and yes they do get deeply hurt and yes their PTSDs do get worsened by civilians' criticisms. They thought they were doing something honorable but when they get home, they get spit at and get called as baby-killer or murderers. Because of that, they cannot sleep well most of time. They replay thoughts in their head about horrific things they've seen/done.

We support troops who don't want to go Iraq war and who disagree for go to Iraq when they knew it's illegal. They were force to go there which they thought they serve/defend for their country, not go attack Iraq for unnecassary war.

Huh???? NOT necessary to kill innocent people???

The fact that it's not necassary to kill innocent people.

What are you saying? they killed civilians on purpose or something?

Please show me where I say that they killed innocents on purpose? Please read extremely carefully.... I said that they are being order to attack and kill the innocnet people.

Please choose your word EXTREMELY carefully.

Nope, it's you who assume that I said they kill people on purpose... which is a false!

It's an insult to your fellow American workers and soldiers you're working with.

It's not inuslt but the fact is Iraq war is an illegal war. Why do the innocnent people including soliders have to die because of that oil...

Innocent people always die in any war. it's called Collateral Damage. It's unavoidable but we do our best to minimize it.

Interesting... what you say is an insult and disguist... You have no heart for innocent people including children and soliders.

Our job is not to arrest people.

Yes, it's job to arrest right one.

It's United Nation's or Interpol's or War Tribunal Court's job to arrest one.

Why can't they instead of order soliders to attack and kill innocnet people?

We came in for military conflict. Did you forget that Saddam purposely led us to believe that he has WMD. His miscalculated deception cost him his life and a military conflict. Don't forget that we gave him AMPLE AMPLE of warnings for SEVERAL years. and what did he do? he spat at us, laughed at us, ignored U.N.' orders to allow inspection teams in, sold humanitarian aids for money to buy weapons, etc.
What Saddam Was Really Thinking

They should not attack Iraq WITHOUT proof. Why attack them without proof for? After attack, they found out that Saddam don't have WMD and then again after his arrest, found out that he was not responsible of 9/11. After his execution, they continue attack Iraq... They only arrest if there're PROOF...Please think carefully and remember innocnent people...

No.... the original reason was to keep Germany in check since Germany was responsible for 2 world wars just like what we did for Korea and Japan. And yes it was quickly later to serve as a deterrent for communism since Cold War was followed after WW2. Terrorism in Germany is not really USA's matter. It is Germany's matter to handle its domestic issue - that's why they have their own counter-terrorism unit called GSG-9.

US and Germans work together... German soliders came to my work place and then US went German military base... They work together against terrorists. US and Germans military have good retainship.

That's a lame attempt to come up with a cunning retort. Just like what Reba said - Russia, China, or India did not have a military conflict with USA. Correction is - American did not want those countries to REBUILD its military capability - especially for offense purpose. Time has changed and USA's slowly allowing them to have offense-type military.

Okay...

How convenient of you to say that... soldiers fought and died for us just so we can say the word "peaceful."

How could you say this..? We want peace, no war... We support troops for not go to Iraq and concern their life... because we want peace, no war... It's US Government who don't want peace and don't want to leave Iraq alone... You should blame US Government for soliders who killed in Iraq, not us because we tried to stop them, not US Government.

We do defend our allied forces against aggressors MILITARILY. It's called NATO.

Yes, that's right.

Correct. It is soldier's job in any country to protect his country from enemy. But it is American's duty to protect the innocents in any country (well we try). That's why we came for Bosnia, Somalia, and South Africa coastal zone.

Exactly that' swhat I tried to say in previous posts... They went to Bosnia, Somalia, etc to help and save victims and defend for them against enemies. Iraq war????

silly! Albert Einstein - the German citizen, wrote a letter to President Franklin Roosevelt to urge him to create a-bomb. Beside - Harry Truman gave several warnings to Japanese Government. Don't forget that Truman DID NOT want to drop it but he had to and he made a right choice. Don't forget that Truman relieved General MacArthurs because he kept bugging Truman to drop 2-3 more a-bombs on China and North Korea. He probably saved a couple hundred thousand of people that could have died from prolonged war. Thanks God he dropped a-bomb on Japan... it ended WW2 for good immediately!

We're not a trigger-happy guy, if that's what you're thinking. We always give AMPLE amount of warnings to any rogue nations and aggressors because we know we have a destructive power.

wow...

atomic bomb is German's program... What should US do against Japan without use German stecentist's program to build the atomic bomb? Are you saying that Atomic bomb kill inncoent people is right choice... :ee3k:?

Germany do not want to bomb Japan but America.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

How do you have peace? By having war. You think we had our freedom and peace from England by having a tea party with Queen Elizabeth? Again - please choose your word carefully. War = innocent people die = collateral damage

Yes, we want peace, no war... We want to help and save victims to defend against enemies, period.

What you said about poor inneocnet people is very disgustly... It look like that you don't care about inncoent people.

So Saddam used WMD on its own people and other countries..

Saddam don't have WMD

invaded Kuwait.. should we still sit and do nothing until Saddam attacks us directly?

Saddam did not send his people to attack America or any countries.. but just Kuwait... Everyone know Iraq and Kuwait hosile each other. It's not WWIII but just between them.

As for 2nd war - Saddam taunted us, deceived us into believing he has WMD.

Why continue to attack them when they have no proof either Saddam have WWM or not?

......and? Do you want me to show you what Saddam and his sons did to people? BTW - those are just international mercenaries... nothing associated with US military.

Not necassary, I know what and how Saddam and his sons treat his people including children and babies. Not just Saddam but other countries who cruel to their people and children as well... why only Saddam ?

to proudly go beyond and all to fight against the tyranny and to liberate the oppressed?

fight? No, they attack Iraq...

and it puzzles me why you're working at American military base... I'm very deeply disturbed at your comment.

I am sorry if you don't like but it's fact that Iraq war is not necassary war. Its about oil... I work for US army base is none of your business... You don't know me... I support troops for defense our country... and help and save victims against enemies... I do not support the people for kill inncoent people. Funny, you are for death penalty for kill innocnent people and support war and okay for soliders for kill innocnent people... what a hyoriscy...

so do you wanna wait for that chance?

No matter, Iraq did not attack America, period.

very very poor choice of words... and incredibly insensitive. You need to quit your job. A job position at Amnesty International is more fitting for you.

*shake my head* Should I support anyone for kill innocent people? It's not my type... It's my type to support troops for defend the country and help and save victims against enemies. Iraq War... *shake my head* What I read your post over innocnent people is mostly disgusitly and ignorant... You support death penalty for kill innocent people and support soliders to kill innocent people... Hyproiscy...

"It's not easy for soldiers to admit the problems that they're having over there for a variety of reasons," LeJeune says. "If they do admit it, then the only solution given is pills."

for concern solider's feeling and welfare but pills do not solve anything but could lead them to addict pill... They need our support and listen their talking...

And yet the battlefield seems an imperfect environment for widespread prescription of these medicines. LeJeune, who spent 15 months in Iraq before returning home in May 2004, says many more troops need help — pharmaceutical or otherwise — but don't get it because of fears that it will hurt their chance for promotion. "They don't want to destroy their career or make everybody go in a convoy to pick up your prescription," says LeJeune, now 34 and living in Utah.

Interesting... mmmmhhh

 

[VamPyroX]

Hey ya'll...

*checks thermometer*

This thread is getting pretty heated... let's cool down a bit and stop arguing.

Make love... not war!

 

[Jiro]

The fact that it's not necassary to kill innocent people.

Why would we kill innocent people??? Maybe you should tell insurgents to stop hiding among people and to stop using people as a bait to blow us up with IED.

I said that they are being order to attack and kill the innocnet people.

Who in their right mind would order soldiers to kill innocent people? This is not Kenn State Massacre....

It's not inuslt but the fact is Iraq war is an illegal war. Why do the innocnent people including soliders have to die because of that oil...

oil? do you have any shred of evidence that we really did attack Iraq for its oil?

Interesting... what you say is an insult and disguist... You have no heart for innocent people including children and soliders.

uh... it's called war. You just admitted that we should come to rescue Bosnia and Somalia but at some cost. Yes some innocents died. It happens.

Yes, it's job to arrest right one.

No it's not. We are not World Police. Sometimes U.N. asks us for help to arrest somebody by borrowing our muscles because nobody else wants to.

They should not attack Iraq WITHOUT proof. Why attack them without proof for? After attack, they found out that Saddam don't have WMD and then again after his arrest, found out that he was not responsible of 9/11. After his execution, they continue attack Iraq... They only arrest if there're PROOF...Please think carefully and remember innocnent people...

Did you not read that article? Saddam deceived us into believing he had WMD and chemical labs. We had satellites and informers to prove it. His deception was quite sophisticated. Like i said - U.N. and the world urged Saddam to allow inspectors in but he did not so..... whose fault is it? and how do you exactly arrest Saddam???? By serving him an arrest warrant?

US and Germans work together... German soliders came to my work place and then US went German military base... They work together against terrorists. US and Germans military have good retainship.

and who is exactly this terrorists?

How could you say this..? We want peace, no war... We support troops for not go to Iraq and concern their life... because we want peace, no war... It's US Government who don't want peace and don't want to leave Iraq alone... You should blame US Government for soliders who killed in Iraq, not us because we tried to stop them, not US Government.[

so what do you propose to have in Iraq? Maybe you should be a World Peace ambassador and go to Iraq and tell Iraqi sectarians to stop fighting so we can go home already! how about that! Oh mind you - did you forget that USA gave a clear direction to Iraq that if insurgents cease fighting and let us build infrastructures, hospitals, and schools for Iraq and to have a functional Iraqi government... we would go home? Insurgents ignored it. They are the one who doesn't want to keep peace.

Exactly that' swhat I tried to say in previous posts... They went to Bosnia, Somalia, etc to help and save victims and defend for them against enemies. Iraq war????

Some innocents died, you know.

atomic bomb is German's program... What should US do against Japan without use German stecentist's program to build the atomic bomb? Are you saying that Atomic bomb kill inncoent people is right choice... :ee3k:?

uh... yea? What do you prefer? several more years of World War 3? The death tolls would be higher than atomic bomb casualities.

Germany do not want to bomb Japan but America.

that's funny.... last time I heard - Germans was on same side as Japaneses...

 

[Jiro]

Yes, we want peace, no war... We want to help and save victims to defend against enemies, period.

But how do you help and save victims to defend against enemies without loss of innocent lives aka collateral damage? That's like a video game. We're in real world, you know.

What you said about poor inneocnet people is very disgustly... It look like that you don't care about inncoent people.

Shit happens. Don't we all wish for wars with no collateral damages?

Saddam don't have WMD

He did at first and he deceived us 2nd time. Not our fault. He could have prevented this terrible Iraq War if he allowed the UN inspectors in. Oh well!

Saddam did not send his people to attack America or any countries.. but just Kuwait... Everyone know Iraq and Kuwait hosile each other. It's not WWIII but just between them.

You forgot Iran and Israel with SCUDS missiles and chemical warfare.

Why continue to attack them when they have no proof either Saddam have WWM or not?

We're not at war with Iraq. We're in middle of Iraqi Civil War. Our reconstruction of Iraq is being impeded by insurgents. Our demand list is very simple - have a functional, central government and an ability to defend itself with police and army.... SO LONG AND GOOD LUCK!

Not necassary, I know what and how Saddam and his sons treat his people including children and babies. Not just Saddam but other countries who cruel to their people and children as well... why only Saddam ?

one at a time, ma'am.... one at a time....

Funny, you are for death penalty for kill innocnent people and support war and okay for soliders for kill innocnent people... what a hyoriscy...

:roll: ugh... a futile effort to counter-argue that.... feel like I'm beating around the bush. I am for death penalty for murderers, not innocent people and beside - we haven't executed innocent people for a very very long time. I'm OK for war to eliminate the tyranny.

*shake my head* Should I support anyone for kill innocent people? It's not my type... It's my type to support troops for defend the country and help and save victims against enemies. Iraq War... *shake my head* What I read your post over innocnent people is mostly disgusitly and ignorant... You support death penalty for kill innocent people and support soliders to kill innocent people... Hyproiscy...

I fail to understand why do you think soldiers want to kill innocent people like it's funny? Do you know what collateral damage means? You're working at wrong base, ma'am.... you should be working at Swiss Army base.

for concern solider's feeling and welfare but pills do not solve anything but could lead them to addict pill... They need our support and listen their talking...

"Our support"??? I thought you don't support them for killing "innocent people." What you think why they have PTSD. One of the reasons is that they have killed some innocent people because they had to when enemies were hiding among them. Confused!!!

 

[Reba]

...Germany do not want to bomb Japan but America.

Germany wanted to use atomic bombs on the US, UK, USSR, etc. Do you think that's OK?

The US used atomic bombs against Japan, a country that attacked the US first. Germany wanted to use atomic bombs against countries that Germany attacked first.

 

[Reba]

I do not involve in anti-war protesters but I understand anti-war protesters's side. They want peace. War mean is order to kill innocent people... I also can understand why the world are furious with Bush for sent troops to Iraq which is a criminal... because Iraq did not start to attack America... why attack Iraq for when Iraq did not attack America?

Warning: It's not nice pictures to see.

U.S. Mercenaries Kill Iraqi's!

I can't believe you have the gall to say that you support American soldiers and yet you post something that accuses them of being murderous mercenaries!

Not only inaccurate but also extremely insulting.

As what you said that there're many career military people who are proud of their service... What? Can you explain me what kind of service, they are proud of?

They are proud of their years of duty for the US military, whatever that service included. Their type of service depends on their career specialty and their assignments.

Did they are proud of kill innocent people?

You are sick.

Your attitude is no different from the protesters during the Vietnam war who would shout, "baby killer" at American soldiers when they returned home. Very nice support and homecoming.

The fact is they are not proud to kill innocent people. It got them bad nightmare. It does the same with my and hubby's Grandfathers, uncles who experienced WWII... and great grandfather WWI.

Of course the horrors of war disturb normal people.

Normal American soldiers try to avoid killing innocent people but the nature of war isn't neat and pretty.

Why should pride soliders need everyone's support when they determine to go Iraq and want to go Iraq again? I will be happy to support them if they ask me for support them for different reasons.

Who needs that kind of "support", with all your conditions. You can keep it, they don't want it.

How can you stand to work for these soldiers that you accuse of killing innocent people?

Should I support pride soliders who brags for went to Iraq dozen of times?

If you truly support them, then yes.

It make me think of poor innocent people when they brag for went to Iraq dozen of times... Thank God, I never experience with soliders who brags in real life...

There's a difference between bragging about pride in service, and killing people. I don't know why you equate serving in Iraq with "killing poor innocent people."

, excuse me...

Did Iraq attack our countries and kill us? It's America who start to attack Iraq, not Iraq. What America did is an illegal. No wonder why Iraq defend their life and people against Americans...

If US Government disagree with something then arrest right one... not order their people to kill innocent people including children in Iraq because Iraq did not attack our countries, don't they?

I suppose you would be very happy if the US just sat around waiting to be attacked.

Conducting war is not the same as police arresting criminals. I don't know from where you get those misconceptions. For one thing, the authorities of one country aren't allowed to enter and arrest criminals in another country. For another thing, international terrorism is more than a felony crime; it's war.

:jaw:

I am total surprised that you think negative about soliders who seek the help.

I'm totally surprised that you think that I'm "negative" about soldiers seeking help. I never said that. I fully support them getting all the counseling and support that they need and want. Just because I observe the way it used to be doesn't mean that I'm against helping soldiers.

 

[Chase]

Reba, it's a comfort to know U.S. citizens such as you are still alive, well, and defending their country from detractors at home and abroad.

The title of this thread is deceptive on several levels. "Why the World Hates the U.S.?"

The simple answer that the world doesn't wasn't good enough. The minority of envious U.S. haters are convinced they are a majority and will make up any falsehood to convince us they are just and right.

The tactic of any compulsive enemy is to attack, name-call, attack, and blizzard everyone with data skimmed from others in their hatred. This thread is evidence of it all.

When challenged, change the subject or say "go read" some obscure passage that was made up in the first place. Say "My posts are facts and yours is opinion." When you laugh at the ridiculous factoids, the person changes tactics and complains to moderators hoping you will be removed.

Sorry, but compulsive haters know no fair tactic will convince U.S. citizens to feel guilty, so any tactic is okay. Still, it's refreshing to read your calm and sensible rebuttals to their compulsion.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Germany wanted to use atomic bombs on the US, UK, USSR, etc.

Germany did not but America did.

Do you think that's OK?

Yes, I think it´s not okay... Good thing, they did not.

The US used atomic bombs against Japan, a country that attacked the US first.

Yes Japan started it but they attacked only Pearl Harbor where US Army were around to kill/hurt US Army and innocents people.

America attacked all the whole Japan. They should attack Japanese Army or Navy bases, not the whole Japan to kill inncoents.

Germany wanted to use atomic bombs against countries that Germany attacked first.

They planned but lucky thing is they did not that but America did.

 

[sequoias]

America attacked all the whole Japan. They should attack Japanese Army or Navy bases, not the whole Japan to kill inncoents.

Yes, they bombed the first city in Japan with a smaller bomb, and they wouldn't surrender...then they bombed with a bigger one and they still wouldn't surrender....then they decided to warn them with a 3rd one and they finally surrendered and the war ended. The world saw how threatening US was and everyone stood back.