Why the World Hates the US?

[Liebling:-)))]

You've never seen the international anti-war protesters on TV news? Have you asked your military friends how they feel when they see and hear so many people criticize them or look down on them?

Past AND present. Don't you know about Code Pink?

For Iraq war only.

There are many career military people who are proud of their service. But it's still disheartening to hear and see that the people back home don't support them. How would you feel if large groups of people publicly criticized you every day for every thing that you did? Even if you know you are doing the right thing, it is NOT support to have people constantly criticizing you. Especially when you are far from home in a dangerous place, and you aren't allowed to speak back to the criticizers.

Like what I told you yesterday that I never have any experience with pride soliders who brags for go to Iraq dozen of times, etc. I asked someone either they experienced about pride soliders... so I pick some of their stories today.

Accord someone's behalf: They said "pride"/"proud" mean is happy and satisfied feeling after experience something... but war? They loves their job and like to serve for their country to support and defense for people and country has nothing do with pride/proud. They feel that the word of "pride" like big-headed or don't care about anything but themselves. They don't like to hear those word "pride"... it make them sick... It's what I thought the same but I didn't say anything to you yesterday because I never experience to being involve with "pride" military like this in real life before. They only disagreed for go Iraq war, that's it.

It's disheartening to hear and see that the pride military people label/criticize soilders who stand their rights for refuses to serve illegal war as a coward, chicken, etc.? I don't have any experience to know them for label/criticize soliders like that but someone does. It's not just anti-war group because pride military did the same thing to soliders who refused to serve illegal war as well.

 

[Reba]

Simple answer: I do not support illegal war.

But the work you do at the base does support the conduct of the Iraq war.

 

[Reba]

Well, I call "US" because they are Americans.

The United States is a member of the United Nations but they are not the same thing, and their missions are not the same. The UN feels responsible for the whole world; the US is not responsible for the whole world.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

So Saddam used WMD on its own people and other countries.. invaded Kuwait.. should we still sit and do nothing until Saddam attacks us directly? As for 2nd war - Saddam taunted us, deceived us into believing he has WMD.

The law, they are obligate to obey and defend from attackers to our country... It's illegal to attack other countries when they did not attack our country... This is so. The soliders sign the agreement contract for agree to support/defend the people and country against against enemies.

and it puzzles me why you're working at American military base... I'm very deeply disturbed at your comment.

I do not support illegal war. That;s it.

so do you wanna wait for that chance?

Law is Law...

We are not allow to attack other countries unless we get attack first. This is law... Why soliders are training for self-defense for? They are training how to battle against terrisom...

very very poor choice of words... and incredibly insensitive. You need to quit your job. A job position at Amnesty International is more fitting for you.

Again, I do not support illegal war.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

But the work you do at the base does support the conduct of the Iraq war.

I am not alone but many civilians and soliders said the same thing.

 

[Reba]

I got a link from someone today and remember your post. I would have agree with you if it's an official/legal war.

I am typing on their behalf to respone your post.

The soliders have the right to refuse to go Iraq because it's an illegal war.

Who says it's an illegal war?

It's not their job to attack Iraq and kill Iraqis... Accord Oaths, they are agree to support and defend America against all enemies from different countries. It did not written on Oaths that they are agree to attack other countries. It's Bush who violate the law, not soliders.

Here are the oaths:

The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

I've taken the oath many times. Notice that the member is promising to obey the President and the officers above him or her.

Again, if a US soldier feel an order is an illegal then they may refuse it. For example, if a solider is being order to shoot innocent people including children, then that soldier may refuse that order.

Yes, that pertains to specific acts and orders.

Accord the law about self-defence against Iraq is acceptance if Iraq attack America or western countries first. This is law, that's why solider has the right to refuse to serve illegal war.

Where is this "law"? Please give a link to your citation.

It's a legal to defend against terrorists for attack our country.

Nobody know what, when and how terrorists did or come because terrorists are hide everywhere in the world... How could we know?

Soliders fight against terrorism.. I know it's not very easy because terrorists could be smart sometimes...

Exactly because terrorists hide everywhere is why the war against terrorism is so wide-spread. It would be foolish and dangerous to wait until they strike again.

Don't forget that this is defensive and offensive--the terrorists attacked first.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The United States is a member of the United Nations but they are not the same thing, and their missions are not the same. The UN feels responsible for the whole world; the US is not responsible for the whole world.

Sure, I know because I work under UNO and NATO but I only say that they are Americans.

 

[Reba]

I am not alone but many civilians and soliders said the same thing.

OK. You and many civilians and soldiers who work on the German bases support the conduct of the Iraq war.

 

[Reba]

I agree, but "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."
-- George Santayana

Yep.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

We should have got rid of Hussein in Gulf war not present war, waste our money. Also we have other leaders around world which need to be remove for thier being corrupted but we did not do anything about it. For Iraq war, it is all about OIL. Nice try.

Someone agree with you... yes, Saddam should get arrest in Gulf War and then over, not Iraq War ...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

OK. You and many civilians and soldiers who work on the German bases support the conduct of the Iraq war.

We work under UNO and NATO. They are for to protect/defense the people against enemies and try to solve with issues with them to aviod war, not attack them.

The people from UNO told Bush that Saddam do not have WMD... Yes, Saddam allow them to inspect Saddam's - no WMD but why ignore and continue war for?

 

[Reba]

Someone agree with you... yes, Saddam should get arrest in Gulf War and then over, not Iraq War ...

...and just how were they supposed to "arrest" Saddam without using military force to get him? Just knock on his door with a warrant?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

oil? do you have any shred of evidence that we really did attack Iraq for its oil?

Go to google and type "Iraq war for oil"... it will tell alot that oil is the reason... They all KNEW that Saddam don't have WMD....

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Newsnight | Secret US plans for Iraq's oil

Exclusive: Bush Wanted To Invade Iraq If Elected in 2000

Did you not read that article? Saddam deceived us into believing he had WMD and chemical labs. We had satellites and informers to prove it. His deception was quite sophisticated. Like i said - U.N. and the world urged Saddam to allow inspectors in but he did not so..... whose fault is it? and how do you exactly arrest Saddam???? By serving him an arrest warrant?

Fact is: UNO inspectors visited Iraq and inspect but none of WMD there... Saddam did not stopped them for inspect anything... UNO inspectors told Bush that Saddam do not have WMD.

and who is exactly this terrorists?

Don't you know that terrorists tried and fail here in Germany last year? Next time, watch TV more often then you will know more and will know who terrorists are.

Some innocents died, you know.

Yes, toooo many innocents.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

...and just how were they supposed to "arrest" Saddam without using military force to get him? Just knock on his door with a warrant?

They won at Gulf war, Remember? Look at example: US won at WWII with soliders from different countries against Germany... They got arrested and Hilter end his life himself before he will get arrest. They arrested Germans... Right?

 

[Reba]

We work under UNO and NATO. They are for to protect/defense the people against enemies and try to solve with issues with them to aviod war, not attack them.[/color]

Is "UNO" the same as the United Nations (UN)? I assume it's not the card game.

For whom do you actually work and draw a salary? The US Army or the United Nations?

The people from UNO told Bush that Saddam do not have WMD... Yes, Saddam allow them to inspect Saddam's - no WMD but why ignore and continue war for?

Read this:

SECURITY COUNCIL HOLDS IRAQ IN ‘MATERIAL BREACH’ OF DISARMAMENT OBLIGATIONS, OFFERS FINAL CHANCE TO COMPLY, UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 1441 (2002)

 

[Reba]

They won at Gulf war, Remember? Look at example: US won at WWII with soliders from different countries against Germany... They got arrested and Hilter end his life himself before he will get arrest. They arrested Germans... Right?

Exactly. They had to use military force (war) to capture them. That's what the United States and its allies did in Iraq--they used military force (war) to get Saddam.

 

[Reba]

Yes, toooo many innocents.

Yes. It's a shame how the "brave" Iraqi leaders used their civilians for their own protective "shields". It's a shame how Iraqi officials refused to let civilians flee to safety. It's a shame how terrorists in Iraq kill civilians shopping in markets, attending weddings and funerals, or standing in lines for jobs.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If the "world" is furious with American, then why does Germany allow Americans to use their base to support the war in Iraq? If you "all" want the US to leave Iraq, then why does your country support the US Army in Germany? The bases in Germany directly support the war in Iraq.

Bush threaten Schröder to get his US soliders in Germany to leave. The fact is we (many) do not support Iraq War. Bush was not happy with Schröder because he rejected Iraq War.

That's your opinion.

No, it's not opinion but the fact. Go google and type :Iraq War is an illegal.

Who are "we", and who said that Saddam was responsible for the 9/11 attack?

Bush did at beginning... I withnessed on TV on that same day 9/11 was happened. I never forget Bush's word. He was very angry and said: "We are going to attack Iraq and want Saddam alive..." Yes, we beleive and give him right until we realized slowly what it doing...... after Saddam's arrest......

Please give me a link to this official judgment by the "world".

I should say: Many countries ...

 

[Reba]

Bush threaten Schröder to get his US soliders in Germany to leave. The fact is we (many) do not support Iraq War. Bush was not happy with Schröder because he rejected Iraq War.

But your work on the American bases does support the war anyway.

No, it's not opinion but the fact. Go google and type :Iraq War is an illegal.

"Google" is not an official citation; many more opinions, just like you have an "opinion." Please give me an official site that proves an actual legal decision.

Bush did at beginning... I withnessed on TV on that same day 9/11 was happened. I never forget Bush's word. He was very angry and said: "We are going to attack Iraq and want Saddam alive..." Yes, we beleive and give him right until we realized slowly what it doing...... after Saddam's arrest......

Here is the full transcript of the President's speech on 9/11. Saddam's name isn't even mentioned.

Statement by the President in Address to the Nation

I should say: Many countries ...

OK. Give me the official links for "many countries."

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Who says it's an illegal war?

Everyone including soliders who experienced Iraq, websites, etc... and The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq war illegal, says Annan

Here are the oaths:

I've taken the oath many times. Notice that the member is promising to obey the President and the officers above him or her.

It written that they only support and defend against enemies, not attack other countries. The soliders CAN say NO with reasons. Many soliders say no with reason is illegal war.

Yes, that pertains to specific acts and orders.

Exactly, they can say no when they feel it's illegal or no right.

Where is this "law"? Please give a link to your citation.

Come on, you must have known it's illegal to attack other countries for no reasons... I thought you know UN law...

Exactly because terrorists hide everywhere is why the war against terrorism is so wide-spread. It would be foolish and dangerous to wait until they strike again.

That's why we have Army bases is defend and support us and our country against enemies...

Don't forget that this is defensive and offensive--the terrorists attacked first.

Not just that Iraq but everywhere around the world.