Why do some people continuing driving drunk?

GarnetTigerMom said:
If you haven’t seen “The Cat in the Hat” movie, here’s a brief synopsis of the story line: The Cat tells the little Boy that whatever he does, do NOT open the big box the Cat brought into the house or bad things will happen. Naturally, unable to withstand the temptation, the kid opens the box - and all Hades breaks out. In the end the Cat admits he told the boy NOT to open the box because he KNEW the kid wouldn’t be able to resist doing what he was told not to do.

Kinda like the way society handles kids and alcohol.

When it comes to “adult beverages,” the unmistakable lesson drilled into kids’ heads is “don’t open the box.” Whatever you do, don’t drink. Period. End of discussion. So after 18 years of being told “no, no, no” under Mom and Dad’s roof, what’s the first thing Little Johnny does when he finally leaves the nest and flies off to college? Party time, baby!! Keg-ger! Keg-ger!

And with the predictable, often tragic, consequences. Having never been taught how to responsibly consume alcoholic beverages, these young adults have a tendency to take a good thing too far - often killing themselves and others.
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That is a great analogy! I will have to remember that.
 
GarnetTigerMom said:
oh, I'm sure the asked for I.D. lic before entering a bar.
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To be quite honest not all bars do check their ID's, I used went to the same bar as my friend who used to be 18 at that time, nobody had even asked for her ID, It amazed me enough that they didn't even cared or even bothered. tsk tsk
 
Cheri said:
To be quite honest not all bars do check their ID's, I used went to the same bar as my friend who used to be 18 at that time, nobody had even asked for her ID, It amazed me enough that they didn't even cared or even bothered. tsk tsk
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That bar owner took a risky chance. The authorities send undercover people into bars, restaurants, liquor stores, and grocery stores to test whether or not the cashiers and servers are checking ID's.
 
Cheri said:
Not when they're intoxicated, they're dangerous, stupid, wrong not thinking clearly anyway how would they know the responsibilities of driving on the roads when they're intoxicated? It clouds their judgment, Liebling.
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Yes, like what I said in my previous post.The bartender has the right to ask the people to leave due their behavior manner. - something like that - call the cab for them or police for them... like fighting, heavy drunk, sick, etc. IN their bar, not OUTSIDE of their bar.

And yes they're responsible for any accident or death of another car or person. But, if an intoxicated person drink at a local bar and got behind the wheels of the car, Yes it's part of the bartender's fault for allowing to serve this person more.
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I disagree it´s part of the bartender´s responsible for cause the accidents because the happened was cause OUTSIDE of bar. How could the bartender know how many the people drink? Should the bartender count how many drink each customer have? Like Angel said that the people don´t look drunk when they drink up to 9 beer or more - they don´t look drunk to the bartender... Accord US law, they are allow to serve the drink to legal age drinkers. The legal age drinkers know the US law.
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Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, like what I said in my previous post.The bartender has the right to ask the people to leave due their behavior manner. - something like that - call the cab for them or police for them... like fighting, heavy drunk, sick, etc. IN their bar, not OUTSIDE of their bar.



I disagree it´s part of the bartender´s responsible for cause the accidents because the happened was cause OUTSIDE of bar. How could the bartender know how many the people drink? Should the bartender count how many drink each customer have? Like Angel said that the people don´t look drunk when they drink up to 9 beer or more - they don´t look drunk to the bartender... Accord US law, they are allow to serve the drink to legal age drinkers. The legal age drinkers know the US law.
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If a case like that were to go to court, the bartender could have other people in the bar supoened to testify that the person did not appear to be drunk when they were in the bar. In that case, the bartender would probably not be held responsible. It is only when someone is obviously drunk and the bartender continues to serve them alcohol that they would be held responsible by a court of law.
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Pacman said:
Some bartenders can be stubborn to give an alcohol to drunk people and make alot of money for serve the business..
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Exactly, there are some bad bartenders that does not care of how many drinks their customers had, they prefer to earn more money rather than losing some due to limit of drinking...
 
Originally Posted by Pacman
Some bartenders can be stubborn to give an alcohol to drunk people and make alot of money for serve the business..
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Angel said:
Exactly, there are some bad bartenders that does not care of how many drinks their customers had, they prefer to earn more money rather than losing some due to limit of drinking...
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Good Point. :cool:
 
Angel said:
Exactly, there are some bad bartenders that does not care of how many drinks their customers had, they prefer to earn more money rather than losing some due to limit of drinking...
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Yeppers. And those are the ones that get held responsible under the law.
 
Angel said:
True they're adults and do have a choice to choose to drink more or not but unfortunately these people are alcoholic and it doesn't matter what kind of alcohol someone drinks or even how much alcohol, they are often unable to stop drinking once they start unless they seek help and they often hide their drinking or deny they have a problem etc. Sometimes we can't help someone who doesnt want our help, until they realizes that they have a problem..A good friend of mine that works with me nearly died from alcohol poisoning and the doctor warn him to stop drinking, he did good for awhile until he got back on it again :sigh: , hes been in and out of the hospital so many times that I've lost count, but he's just addict to alcohol and refused to get help with his problems, and when you are concerned about someone’s drinking and try so hard to help them, they just can't seem to stop themselves from drinking so much..Also children or teenagers may have seen their parents drink or see on TV commercials or ads about beer and wine and it's easy for them to get the wrong message about alcohol by thinking drinking looks like a lot of fun and some state laws decided that children shouldn't be allowed to buy or use alcohol unless they're 21 but what makes them think they won't get it elsewhere?...
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Underage drinking is common and seen as a major problem by many people in the United States. Legislation has been passed in a futile effort to prevent those under the age of 21 from purchasing or consuming alcohol.

School alcohol education programs generally try to convince students to abstain both now and as adults by using scare tactics: teaching that alcohol is a poison, by equating it with illegal drugs, and by promoting the "gateway theory" that alcohol leads to marijuana which leads to cocaine and other hard drugs.

In spite of the billions of dollars spent, the enormous efforts of teachers, the commitment of vast amounts of student time in school, alcohol education has failed to prevent young people from consuming alcohol. Large numbers of young people consume alcohol by their teen years.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, like what I said in my previous post.The bartender has the right to ask the people to leave due their behavior manner. - something like that - call the cab for them or police for them... like fighting, heavy drunk, sick, etc. IN their bar, not OUTSIDE of their bar.
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If a drunk is causing a disturbance outside a bar or any business, the owner has the right to call the police for help.
 
jillio said:
If a case like that were to go to court, the bartender could have other people in the bar supoened to testify that the person did not appear to be drunk when they were in the bar. In that case, the bartender would probably not be held responsible. It is only when someone is obviously drunk and the bartender continues to serve them alcohol that they would be held responsible by a court of law.
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Right jillio.

Yes, Liebling it happened outside the bar, but the intoxicated driver was served at the bar and a bartender can held responsible just like jillio states.

bartenders must know their limited, if they see a person wooding, is loud, shows poor balance that means the person is intoxicated.
 
Cheri said:
To be quite honest not all bars do check their ID's, I used went to the same bar as my friend who used to be 18 at that time, nobody had even asked for her ID, It amazed me enough that they didn't even cared or even bothered. tsk tsk
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That a big risks, Now days in today world, laws here must required serious ID checking and also the food store too where they sell drinks there. But hope your friend's whom work at the bar will get updated on their new policy soon.
 
Cheri said:
Can bartenders just stopped serving drinks if they happened to see someone intoxicated? And to see that if a responsible party who isn't intoxicated gives an intoxicated person a ride home?
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Yes bartenders can stop serving to them when they are drunk. I have seen this many times as I used to work at bar and grill. i have seen several come to the bar drunk and tried to order drinks and we declined them politely and told them to go home and sleep it off. we think they came to the bar from other bar and hope to get more drinks but not stupid as we sent them home.
 
Freaky Cat said:
Yes bartenders can stop serving to them when they are drunk. I have seen this many times as I used to work at bar and grill. i have seen several come to the bar drunk and tried to order drinks and we declined them politely and told them to go home and sleep it off. we think they came to the bar from other bar and hope to get more drinks but not stupid as we sent them home.
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Yep, they will always find another bar to get drinks. So we know that people who drinks tend to be more stubborn and not listen to advice or take it. :)
 
Minimum Age for Bartending - Twenty-four (24) states in the U.S. permit adults age 18 or older to tend bar in on-premises establishments.

Minimum Age to Serve Alcohol in On-Premises Establishments - Thirty-seven (37) states that permit adults age 18 or older to serve alcoholic beverages in on-premises establishments.

Drinking Alcohol Under Age of 21 (Underage Drinking) Not Prohibited in 33 U.S. States - Thirty-three (33) states permit so-called underage persons to consume alcohol or to consume it under certain circumstances.

that is what I learn from the us law.
 
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