Why do some people continuing driving drunk?

People who chronically drive while intoxicated will usually be found to suffer from substance abuse problems. Substance abuse problems are very difficult to treat. One of the ways an individual will seek treatment is to suffer enough consequences from their behavior to see that the behavior is causing a problem. Mandatory jail time when convicted should be one of those consequences. Unfortunately, our legal system is manipulated by those who have sufficient income to avoid negative consequences for their behavior. Celebrities fall into that category.

Our society also gives celebrities the message that they are special and consequently, many begin to believe that they are above the law. Likewise with politicians. When we allow them to receive lesser punishment for their crimes than is imposed on the general, and less wealthy, members of our soiciety, we enable them to continue with their harmful behaviors.
 
Tousi said:
What if someone has 8 drinks in one bar and goes to another bar and has just one drink and then goes out and kills someone?
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The bartender that served them the 9th drink can be held resposnible to some degree under the law, because the person was intoxicated at the point where they were served the 9th drink.
 
i was relief that my uncle don't drive anymore since my cousin in law and his brother who is a cop took the keys away but my uncle have drinking problems and he is alcoholic for years as i know that i have seen him drunk many times. my uncle try to stop drinking but failed

driving drunk is very bad and it is like driving a suicide car as my grandpa says that we are driving a weapon car. cars can kills
 
jillio said:
People who chronically drive while intoxicated will usually be found to suffer from substance abuse problems. Substance abuse problems are very difficult to treat. One of the ways an individual will seek treatment is to suffer enough consequences from their behavior to see that the behavior is causing a problem. Mandatory jail time when convicted should be one of those consequences. Unfortunately, our legal system is manipulated by those who have sufficient income to avoid negative consequences for their behavior. Celebrities fall into that category.

Our society also gives celebrities the message that they are special and consequently, many begin to believe that they are above the law. Likewise with politicians. When we allow them to receive lesser punishment for their crimes than is imposed on the general, and less wealthy, members of our soiciety, we enable them to continue with their harmful behaviors.
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Yep that's what it looks like to me....
 
sequoias said:
Well, it is not bartender's responsibility to get them drunk which they serve thousands of people in one night so they don't babysit those adults!....the people who got drunk asked for it not the bartender. Also, sometimes people don't show they are very drunk so it's hard to tell. The only way is to volunteer to drive them home or take a cab only the person who is drunk offers help. I think it is very silly to sue a bartender and the club for causing the driver to crash. It IS the driver not the bartender, oh please! Also, how do you know which bar to sue if they drunk person doesn't know which bar they went and they may LIE about it so there is no way to find out.
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Well, those bartenders should look at it another way, they could actually be saving the lives of many inculde children....
 
Tousi said:
What if someone has 8 drinks in one bar and goes to another bar and has just one drink and then goes out and kills someone?
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I've heard some people could drink more than 9 and wouldn't get drunk..:eek3:
 
GarnetTigerMom said:
Not really, Not all bartender are responbile for the person getting drunk. The person him or herself get drunk is responbile not to drive at all if the person have too many drinks, so how often do we hear bartenders get sued. It not their jobs to babysit them. But they can help yes, but be responbile for their wreckless behavior no.

But we can help by volunteering yes.

Volunteer to be a designated driver.

Never condone or approve of excessive alcohol consumption. Intoxicated behavior is potentially dangerous and never amusing.

Don't ever let your friends drive drunk. Take their keys, have them stay the night, have them ride home with someone else, call a cab, or do whatever else is necessary - but don't let them drive!
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:gpost: We all are adult and know how to cope our own responsiblity and know how to follow the law. It´s driver´s own responsible for cause the accidents or whatever, not bartender.

But the bartender can ask the people leave accord their misbehavior manner.
 
GarnetTigerMom said:
I have seen some bartenders do call a cab fare for them if the person have way too many drinks, or have someone sober enough to drive the person home.
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Yes, it is really nice of the bartenders or anyone do for the drunk people volunatarily.
 
Reba said:
It's now their legal obligation. If a DUI driver is in an accident after leaving the bar, the victims can sue the bartender.
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I respectfully disagree it´s bartender´s responsible to cause the drunk driver to accidents like that because the drunk driver is not minor. It would be different story IF the drunk driver is minor (accord US law - alochol at age 21).

The bartender has the right to ask the people to leave due their behavior manner.
 
GarnetTigerMom, I do not need to quote all of your posts because I agree EVERYTHING what you said in your posts.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
:gpost: We all are adult and know how to cope our own responsiblity and know how to follow the law. It´s driver´s own responsible for cause the accidents or whatever, not bartender.

But the bartender can ask the people leave accord their misbehavior manner.
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I agree with you completely about personal resposnibility. But the sad fact is, that few people who drive drunk are willing to accept personal resposnibility for their actions. If they were willing todo so, they wouldn't be driving drunk. And the way our laws are set up, we allow them to continue to refuse to accept that personal responsibility.

Likewise, an alchoholic or a drug addict is not capable of accepting personal responsibility for their behaviors because their substance abuse problem influences their decision making abilities. How to get more alcohol, or the drug of choice is the focus of all their behavior. That is why the law has been made that a bartender who serves a person who is obviously drunk has contributed to the accident that happened following the person leaving the bar. Doctors can also be held legally responsible if they prescribe addictive substances to a known drug addict.

In short, a person with a substance abuse problem does not accept personal responsibility for their behavior not because they are bad people, but becasue they are under the control of their addiction. If we enable them by allowing them to continue in their addiction by supplying them alcohol or making it easy for them to get ahold of any intoxicating substance, then we have not accepted our own personal responsibility.
 
sequoias said:
Well, it is not bartender's responsibility to get them drunk which they serve thousands of people in one night so they don't babysit those adults!....the people who got drunk asked for it not the bartender. Also, sometimes people don't show they are very drunk so it's hard to tell. The only way is to volunteer to drive them home or take a cab only the person who is drunk offers help. I think it is very silly to sue a bartender and the club for causing the driver to crash. It IS the driver not the bartender, oh please! Also, how do you know which bar to sue if they drunk person doesn't know which bar they went and they may LIE about it so there is no way to find out.
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:gpost:
 
jillio said:
People who chronically drive while intoxicated will usually be found to suffer from substance abuse problems. Substance abuse problems are very difficult to treat. One of the ways an individual will seek treatment is to suffer enough consequences from their behavior to see that the behavior is causing a problem. Mandatory jail time when convicted should be one of those consequences. Unfortunately, our legal system is manipulated by those who have sufficient income to avoid negative consequences for their behavior. Celebrities fall into that category.

Our society also gives celebrities the message that they are special and consequently, many begin to believe that they are above the law. Likewise with politicians. When we allow them to receive lesser punishment for their crimes than is imposed on the general, and less wealthy, members of our soiciety, we enable them to continue with their harmful behaviors.
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Well, remember that "Celebrities" always get away with it with short jail time because they have good high paying lawyers and they have the money and power to bride the judge or hire very good lawyers that knows the system pretty well to get out of it. Regular normal people like us get punish with the laws they then they do. They know how to play dirty. :pissed:
 
GarnetTigerMom said:
Well, remember that "Celebrities" always get away with it with short jail time because they have good high paying lawyers and they have the money and power to bride the judge or hire very good lawyers that knows the system pretty well to get out of it. Regular normal people like us get punish with the laws they then they do. They know how to play dirty. :pissed:
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I agree with you. In fact, I posted earlier about just that situation. It is just another form of enabling, as far as I am concerned. Our laws are manipulated so that the celebrities do not have to accept the consequences of their behavior.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
I respectfully disagree it´s bartender´s responsible to cause the drunk driver to accidents like that because the drunk driver is not minor. It would be different story IF the drunk driver is minor (accord US law - alochol at age 21).

The bartender has the right to ask the people to leave due their behavior manner.
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well, not really. Because the bartender is not responbile for them being a drunk if the person "choices" to drink. But all they can do is call cab, ask someone to take the person home or cut off the drinks. So, Bartenders are not responbile to tell them "quit drinking". The person who have drinking problems have to come forward to admit that he or she have the problem of drinking.
 
GarnetTigerMom said:
Well, remember that "Celebrities" always get away with it with short jail time because they have good high paying lawyers and they have the money and power to bride the judge or hire very good lawyers that knows the system pretty well to get out of it. Regular normal people like us get punish with the laws they then they do. They know how to play dirty. :pissed:
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Yep, I guess it tells us we better start getting ourselves busy by becoming famous so we can get less punishments LOL jk....
 
jillio said:
Our society also gives celebrities the message that they are special and consequently, many begin to believe that they are above the law. Likewise with politicians. When we allow them to receive lesser punishment for their crimes than is imposed on the general, and less wealthy, members of our soiciety, we enable them to continue with their harmful behaviors.
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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom
Well, remember that "Celebrities" always get away with it with short jail time because they have good high paying lawyers and they have the money and power to bride the judge or hire very good lawyers that knows the system pretty well to get out of it. Regular normal people like us get punish with the laws they then they do. They know how to play dirty.
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Very true, *big sigh*
 
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