Why Cochlear Implants Hurt Deaf Culture?

[Cheri]

, why do you take it personally when people call themselves hearing or if they don't want to tell others that they are deaf? If a CI person said that, I wouldn't care in the world if they felt hearing because how do you know how they feel with the CI or how they really hear? Technically they know that they cannot hear without their CI, but if they call themselve another term when they wear their CI, so what? Why does that really matter to you or anyone? If they feel happy, I think we should leave them alone. I don't understand this part. Now, if they start claiming to people that the CI makes you hearing like hearing people, then that's another isssue. Are you just afraid that if they are calling themselves hearing that they will start to spread a misunderstanding to other people about the CI?

They are NOT hearing! Do your research! All CI web sites says that CI is not a cure, It does not restore hearing, It's a device that provide a sense of sound to a person who is profoundly deaf or severely hard of hearing. An implanted individual is still Deaf. If you says, It doesn't matter what they call themselves, hearing or not, It does matter, I refused to let you people lie to the society. They would find out eventually, when they do who's the one gotta look stupid?

 

[IceCream]

http://www.handsandvoices.org/services/guide.htm

Which is so true! I've even said that most hearing parents has no knowledge of how to raise a deaf child nor have no knowledge what to do. That's why most hearing parents rushed into getting implants for their deafness children. What a shame!

What if a parent wanted a device to help their blind babies see? Should they try letting the child be blind for many years, teach them to walk a cane and read braille before they decide whether or helping them see is best or if the child wants to see or remain blind? Suppose the earlier implanted to see would help them see better (same with CI)? How is that much different from deafness? See, I don't understand why deafness is such an exception from every other disability in the world. Most parents don't know how to raise a child with any disability.

 

[Cheri]

What if a parent wanted a device to help their blind babies see?.

Read the tile of this thread, There you go, How is blind related to the Deaf Culture VS Cochlear Implants??

 

[Foxrac]

They are NOT hearing! Do your research! All CI web sites says that CI is not a cure, It does not restore hearing, It's a device that provide a sense of sound to a person who is profoundly deaf or severely hard of hearing. An implanted individual is still Deaf. If you says, It doesn't matter what they call themselves, hearing or not, It does matter, I refused to let you people lie to the society. They would find out eventually, when they do who's the one gotta look stupid?

That's good point. Go Cheri...

I can't stop laugh at IceCream.

 

[IslandGal]

You didn't understand me. I didn't say why you took your friendship personally. I did not talk about that at all. I only mentioned possible ways for her not wanting to tell the lady that she was deaf because you seemed to not wonder. Now, what you misunderstood completely is what I meant to say is, why do you take it personally when people call themselves hearing or if they don't want to tell others that they are deaf? If a CI person said that, I wouldn't care in the world if they felt hearing because how do you know how they feel with the CI or how they really hear? Technically they know that they cannot hear without their CI, but if they call themselve another term when they wear their CI, so what? Why does that really matter to you or anyone? If they feel happy, I think we should leave them alone. I don't understand this part. Now, if they start claiming to people that the CI makes you hearing like hearing people, then that's another isssue. Are you just afraid that if they are calling themselves hearing that they will start to spread a misunderstanding to other people about the CI?

Oh IceCream, here you go again. I am not going to waste my time to discuss about this with you.

Peace out.

 

[IceCream]

They are NOT hearing! Do your research! All CI web sites says that CI is not a cure, It does not restore hearing, It's a device that provide a sense of sound to a person who is profoundly deaf or severely hard of hearing. An implanted individual is still Deaf. If you says, It doesn't matter what they call themselves, hearing or not, It does matter, I refused to let you people lie to the society. They would find out eventually, when they do who's the one gotta look stupid?

I KNOW. I didn't say they are hearing. I can see you are concerned that if they say, "I am hearing" other people will think they hear just like hearing people. I get it. My point was, if a CI person preferred to call themselves hearing instead of deaf, who cares? I personally don't care. If they are happy, and they feel hearing after the CI, so what? To me it's like saying, a woman feels like a man and dresses like a man, but you really see a woman dressed like a man because you know her sex, and she looks like a man, yet she say she is a man to other people, but you know it's a lie! You would know that she's happy calling herself a man. Same with deaf people with CI who call themselves a hearing person.

 

[IceCream]

Oh IceCream, here you go again. I am not going to waste my time to discuss about this with you.

Peace out.

Peace out!

 

[IslandGal]

They are NOT hearing! Do your research! All CI web sites says that CI is not a cure, It does not restore hearing, It's a device that provide a sense of sound to a person who is profoundly deaf or severely hard of hearing. An implanted individual is still Deaf. If you says, It doesn't matter what they call themselves, hearing or not, It does matter, I refused to let you people lie to the society. They would find out eventually, when they do who's the one gotta look stupid?

Well said there, Cheri.

 

[IceCream]

Well said there, Cheri.

Duh? She misunderstood also.

 

[Foxrac]

Well said there, Cheri.

Yea... true... Cheri must be win and IceCream got pwned by Cheri. :Owned:

 

[IceCream]

Read the tile of this thread, There you go, How is blind related to the Deaf Culture VS Cochlear Implants??

Really Cheri? How does parents not knowing how to raise a deaf child have to do ANYTHING with how the CI hurts the Deaf Culture? I think that's entirely off-topic.

 

[Cheri]

I KNOW. I didn't say they are hearing. I can see you are concerned that if they say, "I am hearing" other people will think they hear just like hearing people. I get it. My point was, if a CI person preferred to call themselves hearing instead of deaf, who cares? I personally don't care. If they are happy, and they feel hearing after the CI, so what? To me it's like saying, a woman feels like a man and dresses like a man, but you really see a woman dressed like a man because you know her sex, and she looks like a man, yet she say she is a woman to other people, but you know it's a lie! You would know that she's happy calling herself a man. Same with deaf people with CI who call themselves a hearing person.

If you personally don't care why the hell did you jump all over ButterFlyGirl for? Not everyone feels it's ok to lie to the society like you feel it's ok.

 

[Foxrac]

Really Cheri? How does parents not knowing how to raise a deaf child have to do ANYTHING with how the CI hurts the Deaf Culture? I think that's entirely off-topic.

It won't off topic so u don't know about deaf culture.

If you want explain with anything so DISCUSS.

 

[IslandGal]

IceCream, let me give you an example.....

If I had a CI but I don't speak very well as some of you do and a hearing person comes up to me asking me something. I then speak but this hearing person isn't understanding what I am saying. What should I do? Continue to talk but this person still doesn't understand me or let this person know that I am deaf? Of course I would let this person know that I am deaf rather than making myself look like a fool. I would rather let this person know so he or she would speak more slowly for me the next time.

 

[Cheri]

Really Cheri? How does parents not knowing how to raise a deaf child have to do ANYTHING with how the CI hurts the Deaf Culture? I think that's entirely off-topic.

It is not off-topic, Did you forget that most hearing parents with Deaf children had implanted their Deaf children? Most hearing parents have no knowledge of Deaf Culture. I'm right on topic Hun.

 

[Cheri]

IceCream, let me give you an example.....

If I had a CI but I don't speak very well as some of you do and a hearing person comes up to me asking me something. I then speak but this hearing person isn't understanding what I am saying. What should I do? Continue to talk but this person still doesn't understand me or let this person know that I am deaf? Of course I would let this person know that I am deaf rather than making myself look like a fool. I would rather let this person know so he or she would speak more slowly for me the next time.

It's different with me, Some of you know that I speak very well and a very good lip reader, and most hearing people thought I'm hearing, when I tell them I'm deaf, They said no way! You speak very well. I was honest with them, I'm not going to fool people in believing that I'm hearing when I'm not hearing.

 

[IslandGal]

If you personally don't care why the hell did you jump all over ButterFlyGirl for? Not everyone feels it's ok to lie to the society like you feel it's ok.

Thank you, Cheri.
I feel it is so wrong to lie to the society even if she thinks it is okay *shakes my head*.

 

[IceCream]

IceCream, let me give you an example.....

If I had a CI but I don't speak very well as some of you do and a hearing person comes up to me asking me something. I then speak but this hearing person isn't understanding what I am saying. What should I do? Continue to talk but this person still doesn't understand me or let this person know that I am deaf? Of course I would let this person know that I am deaf rather than making myself look like a fool. I would rather let this person know so he or she would speak more slowly for me the next time.

You make perfect sense. Maybe you could have said that you are deaf or let your friend try her way. Maybe she really didn't want any help. I personally dislike it when people help me when I didn't even try to help myself. Have you seen people who have another disability, and you don't know if you want to help them because they might get mad? I have seen a man in a wheelchair get defensive with me because he thought I thought he was stupid when I repeated something to him because I thought he didn't hear me. He eventually started to warm up to me.

 

[IceCream]

It is not off-topic, Did you forget that most hearing parents with Deaf children had implanted their Deaf children? Most hearing parents have no knowledge of Deaf Culture. I'm right on topic Hun.

Sure a lot don't, but why is it so important that they know about a 'culture'? I didn't know about the Deaf Culture myself until I was older. I doubt my mother would have found know about the Deaf Culture informative for my future. No offense, but really why is it important?

Did you forget that most hearing parents with Deaf children had implanted their Deaf children?

I am sorry, this sentence makes no sense.

I still think it's off-topic because Angel is asking for reasons why they feel the CI is a threat to the Deaf Culture.

 

[IslandGal]

You make perfect sense. Maybe you could have said that you are deaf or let your friend try her way. Maybe she really didn't want any help. I personally dislike it when people help me when I didn't even try to help myself. Have you seen people who have another disability, and you don't know if you want to help them because they might get mad? I have seen a man in a wheelchair get defensive with me because he thought I thought he was stupid when I repeated something to him because I thought he didn't hear me. He eventually started to warm up to me.

Well, actually it was both of us when the sales lady came up to us and all I did was to let her know that we were deaf after my friend spoke to her and then the sales lady had this puzzled look on her face. I wasn't helping my friend but I was helping the sales lady to know so she could speak more slowly for us or write down notes for us.