Why Cochlear Implants Hurt Deaf Culture?

Cloggy said:
Very curious where you got that piece of information from.
Also, are you saying that there are cases that there is benefit of HA's where CI will not work.
I find that very strange, since when Ci cannot work - the auditory nerve cannot be stimulated - a HA will be totally useless.
But I am looking forward to read about both issues.....

Just trying to look at it from both sides.
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Might I add...


my deafness is caused from auditory nerve damage.. without aids, I'm at 105 on my right ear and 100 on my left. with my aids.. i'm at 70 in both ears. its useful with aids!
 
Deaf Images said:
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Cochlear is merely an expensive hearing aid....so therefore they are devices like hearing aids and CI they are same...

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I agree, Thank you :whew: I knew I wasn't out of my mind here LOL
 
RebelGirl said:
Just where did you get that from???

That's not entirely true about people that can hear with HA's are no candidate for CIs.

I've got friends that wore hearing aids and they were a candidate for CI. I was a candidate for CI and I wear 2 HAs. I never got the CI, I turned them down for a good reason.
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I'm sorry, too much simplification from my part. I wanted to illustrate that CI can help people that no longer benefit from HA's, therefore, they must be different.

Obviously it depends on how well one can hear with a HA. Isn't part of the qualification to see how much you benefit from HA's?. Tha's what I meant. If you hear too good with HA's, they will not "give" you CI.
 
RebelGirl said:
Might I add...


my deafness is caused from auditory nerve damage.. without aids, I'm at 105 on my right ear and 100 on my left. with my aids.. i'm at 70 in both ears. its useful with aids!
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I gues you respond to "I find that very strange, since when Ci cannot work - the auditory nerve cannot be stimulated - a HA will be totally useless."..... well, your's can be stimulated.

The nerve is not stimulated by sound, but by hairs. When there are no hairs, there's no stimulation. That doesn't mean it cannot be stimulated. Like yours possibly, it can be stimulated, but due to damaged haircells, your nerve is hardly being stimulated....

CI would be able to stimulate it directly. Nence, different.
 
Deaf Images said:
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Cochlear is merely an expensive hearing aid....so therefore they are devices like hearing aids and CI they are same...

they are useless!


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I hope that lot's of people investigating into CI will read your response... It was a very convincing monologue about how they are exactly the same. It will rock people's worl.
And since you believe it for the last 20 years.... it must be true. :stupid:
 
Cloggy said:
So....????

I gues you respond to "I find that very strange, since when Ci cannot work - the auditory nerve cannot be stimulated - a HA will be totally useless."..... well, your's can be stimulated.

The nerve is not stimulated by sound, but by hairs. When there are no hairs, there's no stimulation. That doesn't mean it cannot be stimulated. Like yours possibly, it can be stimulated, but due to damaged haircells, your nerve is hardly being stimulated....

CI would be able to stimulate it directly. Nence, different.
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Cloggy, Please re-read my very first post in this thread on page 1, second I don't like the way you approach at her like " so ?? " if you want others to hear you out, then you might as well hear those out too with respect


Second, can we please go back to what this topic is about in the first place...
 
^Angel^ said:
Cloggy, Please re-read my very first post in this thread on page 1, second I don't like the way you approach at her like " so ?? " if you want others to hear you out, then you might as well hear those out too with respect


Second, can we please go back to what this topic is about in the first place...
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You're right. Rectified it. But I replied with respect in case you didn't notice.
But I believe in correct information. Have you found the info that I was asking for?

I'll let you get back to the topic
 
RebelGirl said:
CI and hearing aids are no different. CI and hearing aids pick up sounds, simple as that
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I agree... Welcome to here :hug:
 
^Angel^ said:
I don't believe you have read most of my posts, I did said that I don't have a problem with deaf children being implanted with CI but I do have a problem with CI being implanted on babies cause they're too little and it's hard to tell whether or not a baby can hear so well with the use of hearing aids...
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well current FDA guideline is 18 months old and above can get implanted. (but it can be 12 months old as per AB's website) I support that guideline and you don't right? :dunno:
 
Cloggy said:
There's a huge difference.
Thinks about this....

People that can hear with HA's are no candidate for CI.
People that can no longer hear with HA's can be helped with CI.
HA's amplify sounds and used the normal "outer-ear middle-ear inner-ear " way to stimulate the auditory nerve in order to help a person to hear.
..... whereas CI's bypasses the outer-ear and middle-ear and "creates" sound straight on the auditory nerve.

There's a BIG difference.
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Yes I agree: big difference in between HA and CI. I worn HA all my life and now I have CI.. it is a big leap! I hear more details and depths than I can with HA because in CI I hear in all frequency from high to low... whereas I couldn't in HA. I was not able to monitor my voice with my HA while I can with my CI.

according to NAD, CI are not like HA; http://www.nad.org/site/pp.asp?c=foINKQMBF&b=399061#2

from: http://www.bionicear.com/news/article.asp?ArticleID=96
HH/Beck: So you wore hearing aids for 50 years. Please tell me, what's the biggest difference between the hearing aids you wore and the cochlear implant?

Cerf: My body hearing aid offered only limited discrimination in the low frequency range, so I heard only some vowels. Also with the hearing aid, there was constant acoustic feedback.

With the cochlear implant, I receive clear speech recognition in the high frequency range.. So there is a huge difference in my ability to hear speech.

I should point out that, because I'm hearing only from one ear -- and cannot currently benefit from aided hearing in the other ear, I am not able to function well in a noisy environment unless I use the special auxiliary microphone or an FM device with the speech processor. It goes without saying that someday I hope to have the other ear implanted.
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and also this The Difference between Hearing Aids and Cochlear Implants
 
Boult said:
well current FDA guideline is 18 months old and above can get implanted. (but it can be 12 months old as per AB's website) I support that guideline and you don't right? :dunno:
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I already knew about that Boult, and that correct I don't support it,
 
Ahh, interesting, Thanks for the links Boult...
 
I wore hearing aids for over 20 years and mainly lipread - the hearing aids offered only minimal assistance to me. About 6 months after I got my CI, I turned my CI off and put my hearing aid in my non-implanted ear - I was absolutely AMAZED at the difference. I couldn't believe I'd "lived for 20 years with that kind of sound." It was like hearing something through a 100 foot tunnel - muddled, garbled, and a mishmash of sounds, whereas with my CI the sounds were clear and concise. Speech was crisp and clear, compared to my hearing aids. I still do that from time to time - just to remind myself what things used to be like, compared to how they are now. So I'd say that CI's and HA's are *vastly* different.

If I had to put things in a way that deaf people who had never heard could understand.

Imagine you had two pairs of glasses.... one that you had smeared with mud, and another that was clean.

If you put the muddy ones on, you might be able to see well enough to navigate through your house, maybe find the kitchen, the bathroom, walk outside and find your car, but you wouldn't want to drive with them because you wouldn't be able to see clearly enough. You could find a book, but wouldn't be able to read with them.

Then you put the CLEAN glasses on...and everything becomes clear.

That's what hearing aid's s are like, compared to a CI.

(now, granted, its not like that for everyone, as some have stated they don't like their CI's or aren't happy with their CI's.... but the same goes for glasses - many people hate them too, but they still wear them. I'm just using my experience as an example)
 
Cloggy said:
And a Fiat Uno is the same as a BMW. Both you can drive.
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a BMW is much more expensive than a Fiat Uno :lol:
smilarly, a CI is so expensive than a HA...
You could possibly get fifty hearing aids instead of a single CI with the same money :giggle:
 
ecevit said:
a BMW is much more expensive than a Fiat Uno :lol:
smilarly, a CI is so expensive than a HA...
You could possibly get fifty hearing aids instead of a single CI with the same money :giggle:
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Assume you wear a HA but your hearing is deteriorating.... Then you'd prefer a cheaper HA with which you cannot hear over a CI that would make you hear? Interesting!!!
 
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