Why Cochlear Implants Hurt Deaf Culture?

Audiofuzzy said:
so, as you see it's not CI that changes them but how they see themselves.


Fuzzy


I still do not get it, cause the way I see it is that once a deaf person seek either CI or hearing aids, and is able to hear from it, then they changed into a " new " person because they no longer hear the silence but sounds...


CI and hearing aids is what change the deaf person
 
ecevit said:
I just wanted to say that devices are just tools and people use them for their own intentions.. some people use devices for bad purposes...
I think it would be best to say that Not all people are innocent


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, if I hurt you :)


Aww you don't owe me any apologize, I was just teasing ya ;)
 
rockdrummer said:
So how is it that over the past 20 years the CI has hurt the deaf culture? I have heard that some that get CI's turn their back on the deaf culture. I would equate that to someone turning their back on their heritage. A spanish woman marries an english man and then turns her back on her spanish culture. This will happen but is more a reflection on the person and not the culture. And how is the culture hurt by this? One might say its a reduction in the population of the deaf culture but it can be argued that for each that leaves, one or more join. Is there any real indication that the deaf culture is being hurt by CI's. Are there any metrics to back up the claim. I am not agreeing or disagreeing here but meerly asking for some clearification.

thank you


Didn't you read my post on page 13?...
 
I still do not get it, cause the way I see it is that once a deaf person seek either CI or hearing aids, and is able to hear from it, then they changed into a " new " person because they no longer hear the silence but sounds...

Ok It is hard for me to explain so maybe I give you an example.

Suppose I am poor and I have this friend who is poor too and one day she won a million dollars in Lotto.

Since then, she can afford many expensive things that I still can not,
and go places where I can not go.

she won't take me anywhere with her, and pretends she does not know me when we accidentaly come upon each other some place because I look poor.

Why does he/ she does that?

because she has bad morals, she does not understands the real value is not money but people. She is not interested in sharing her happiness with me, but only by herself. She does not care about me. never did.


As long as we were BOTH poor she had no choice but stick with me. There was no one better.

But as soon as she got rich she dropped me at tip of the the hat because that's how she is- rather phony and self- centred.
She is only thinking about her own well being, nobody else.

She does not want people know she was once poor, she wants to pretend she was always so cool, so she pretends she doesn't know me-
because me being poor and her knowing me tells other pple she must have been poor herself once- and she doesn't like that.

It's basically similar with deaf pple getting an implant and refusing to take TTY relay. Who the heck they think they are? Like you said they are basically still deaf.
Them dropping their old friend means they never were really good friends to being with.

You do NOT drop a good friend just because you got an implant.
You may have less time for her/him since you need to practice your new skills but you NEVER pretend you don't know her/ him anymore.

That's why it does not have so much to do with CI itself as it has with one's morality and personality.

There is even saying " a fair weather friend" - it means that as long as everything is nice and fine they are your best friend but as soon as you get into some trouble and need help -they disappear - and thus prove they weren't really your friends - ever.

Fuzzy
 
Cheri said:
IMO,

CI nor hearing aids are not a miracle, a miracle would be if Jesus made me hearing today, without any device to help me with hearing sounds, now that would been a miracle.......
Would you take the offer?
 
^Angel^ said:
Didn't you read my post on page 13?...

Sorry Angel, There is just so much to read through and I missed your post. I did go read it now and thank you for responding. I really do appreciate your insight.
 
^Angel^ said:
Honestly, there's no difference between a hearing aids and cochlear implants, when most deaf adults/children can be benefit from either of them. ......
There's a huge difference.
Thinks about this....

People that can hear with HA's are no candidate for CI.
People that can no longer hear with HA's can be helped with CI.
HA's amplify sounds and used the normal "outer-ear middle-ear inner-ear " way to stimulate the auditory nerve in order to help a person to hear.
..... whereas CI's bypasses the outer-ear and middle-ear and "creates" sound straight on the auditory nerve.

There's a BIG difference.
 
Cloggy said:
There's a huge difference.
Thinks about this....

People that can hear with HA's are no candidate for CI.
People that can no longer hear with HA's can be helped with CI.
HA's amplify sounds and used the normal "outer-ear middle-ear inner-ear " way to stimulate the auditory nerve in order to help a person to hear.
..... whereas CI's bypasses the outer-ear and middle-ear and "creates" sound straight on the auditory nerve.

There's a BIG difference.


There has been fact shown that there is no difference between CI and hearing aids, second when you said when hearing aids are no longer benefit, then CI should be the next step, it not always the case, some people are unable to benefit from being implant with CI, like I said before, it's depends on each person....


Please don't think CI is some sort of cure, cause there's no difference between a hearing aids or CI...
 
All CI users need take processor turns off and deaf people (take hearing aids or CI turns off) can hang out and go to Vans Warped Tour. :)

I cannot hear at 95 dbs except for jackhammers, motorcycles, jet engine, rock concert, rocket and jet takeoff. There's alot of motorcycles in LA suburb that where I used sleep in room that next to blvd that where many motorcycles are run around at night but I changed other room to sleep. I'm trying go to Vans Warped Tour this year but expect to be too loud though.
 
rockdrummer said:
Sorry Angel, There is just so much to read through and I missed your post. I did go read it now and thank you for responding. I really do appreciate your insight.


That's understandable, Thank you Rockdrummer ;)
 
^Angel^ said:
There has been fact shown that there is no difference between CI and hearing aids.....
Very curious where you got that piece of information from.
Also, are you saying that there are cases that there is benefit of HA's where CI will not work.
I find that very strange, since when Ci cannot work - the auditory nerve cannot be stimulated - a HA will be totally useless.
But I am looking forward to read about both issues.....

Just trying to look at it from both sides.
 
^Angel^ said:
There has been fact shown that there is no difference between CI and hearing aids......
WIKIPEDIA:
A cochlear implant is a surgically implanted hearing aid that can help provide a sense of sound to a person who is profoundly deaf or severely hard of hearing. The cochlear implant is often referred to as a bionic ear. Unlike other kinds of hearing aids, the cochlear implant doesn't amplify sound, but works by directly stimulating any functioning auditory nerves inside the cochlea with electrical impulses. External components of the cochlear implant include a microphone, speech processor and transmitter.
Don't take my word for it.
 
^Angel^ said:
You didn' quite get what I meant but show me where it say that CI and hearing aids are different?....
Getting confused. You say here that they are the same. I am showing you they are different..... Also looking at in the context of hearing with them.
 
Cloggy said:
Getting confused. You say here that they are the same. I am showing you they are different..... Also looking at in the context of hearing with them.

I'm sorry I don't see myself being confused I said they're no difference, I already knew what CI and hearing aids , but still I do not see it say " CI and hearing aids are DIFFERENT "


Can you please show me that?
 
Cloggy said:
People that can hear with HA's are no candidate for CI.
People that can no longer hear with HA's can be helped with CI.

Just where did you get that from???

That's not entirely true about people that can hear with HA's are no candidate for CIs.

I've got friends that wore hearing aids and they were a candidate for CI. I was a candidate for CI and I wear 2 HAs. I never got the CI, I turned them down for a good reason.
 
Ha And Ci Are The Same.....

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Cochlear is merely an expensive hearing aid....so therefore they are devices like hearing aids and CI they are same...

they are useless!


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CI and hearing aids are no different. CI and hearing aids pick up sounds, simple as that
 
RebelGirl said:
CI and hearing aids are no different. CI and hearing aids pick up sounds, simple as that


Exactly, Thank you RebelGirl :hug:
 
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