Why CI is bad for kids under 6 yrs.

[Cheri]

Update: My older son have little hearing loss his left ear. I did ask my son, Do you willing Cochlear Implant? He respond me, Heck no, why should I have those? and doesn't want to have ci on his head making me look uglier something stick on it.. I was kinda little laughing him.. but nothing can I say more.. He's making a joke.. really serious he's getting little hearing loss..
He is proud ASL but still rusty his sign languages and understand Deaf Culture for!

Your oldest son is losing his hearing or already had lost some in his left ear?

 

[jackiesolorzano]

*sighs*

No wonder we have people in the Deaf comunity who hate CIs...we r being told that people with CIs have more opportunies, speak better, can do more, and are not isolated than us. It is like the medical field and oral only approaches totally screwed us up and telling us we r f$#cked up for life because we can't hear??? Not just here on AD but out here...come on..where is the respect for deaf people and ASL??

There is no need to cuzz at me. What I as saying was a fact, I am not saying that my children's speech is better then yours because I never heard you. What I am saying and it is fact that my children can talk on the phone, my children can understand what people are saying with their backs turn to them. I did not say it was better because that is a matter opinion, what you might think is better might not be what I think is better.

If you want respect you must also give it. I always teach my children treat people as you want them to treat you. I treat you as you treat me. I do not give respect just because you say I should.

I understand that you went through hell when you were in oral education. And I do not disagree that you havn't, I have heard the horror stories and I have learned from them. That was not my fault nor am I going to take heat for what you went through. While I am now and will always be an oral teacher, I know that I am not like those old oral teachers of the deaf. I know that you do not need to be oral in order to be successful in life nor do I think oral is better it is for my children but it is a personal choice and different thing suit differently for different people.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

shel90- Myself, I would not choose to use the word more, but opportunities are different. The opportunites for my children are different than the ones that I had. For me, it is the world evolving.

Because people choose different paths does not mean that they do not respect each others choices.

Loml you said it perfectly. If it came across that I meant better that is not what I meant. I meant different and it is better for my children but what is better for one person does not mean it is better for all.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

Spot on.. It's sad to see how some hearing people are led into beliving that those skills are new to deaf people, while deaf people have mastered this stuff for decades without CI. Also the importance of listening with the back to the speaker is a so so skill and somewhat useless in the real world. What impresses most of deaf people I know, raised orally or not, is a piece of stunning new skool ASL poetry.

While you are right that understanding someone with their backs turn is OK, it nice but not a hude deal. But what I love is to be able to talk to my children on the phone when I am not with them. Being so close to my children that being able to hear their voices I can tell how they are doing. Recently I was away from home for 2 weeks it gave me so much joy to be able to talk to them and hear them. And I know I could have text but for me and my children it is not the same. For me my personal choice is to be able to talk them right then and there and not have any lag time waiting for a text back or relay service.

 

[jillio]

While you are right that understanding someone with their backs turn is OK, it nice but not a hude deal. But what I love is to be able to talk to my children on the phone when I am not with them. Being so close to my children that being able to hear their voices I can tell how they are doing. Recently I was away from home for 2 weeks it gave me so much joy to be able to talk to them and hear them. And I know I could have text but for me and my children it is not the same. For me my personal choice is to be able to talk them right then and there and not have any lag time waiting for a text back or relay service.

So it is about what you need from your children.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

How could cochlear implants be a miracle? they're only hearing devices. I have never seen a deaf person would say "My hearing aids is a miracle"

A miracle would be having hearing without the use of a device. That's just my opinion.

I clearly said that there some people with implants that feel it is a miracle for them. Now I personally do not think the implant is a miracle, I think it is an amazing tool that my children have learned to use well. As I was mentioning before the implant has allowed me to be able to talk to my children on the phone when I am not with them. Their hearing aides never allowed us that pleasure.

I know of a couple of adults that feel their implant is a miracle, I know that i have read that needy thinks her implant is a miracle. I know of a professor that says his implant miracle and I know of a doctor that feels the same way.

What one thinks is a miracle for them is a personal choice and I am no one tell someone what is and is not miracle in their lives.

Again I personally do not think the CI is a miracle, it can be an amazing tool with the right support.

 

[jillio]

I clearly said that there some people with implants that feel it is a miracle for them. Now I personally do not think the implant is a miracle, I think it is an amazing tool that my children have learned to use well. As I was mentioning before the implant has allowed me to be able to talk to my children on the phone when I am not with them. Their hearing aides never allowed us that pleasure.

I know of a couple of adults that feel their implant is a miracle, I know that i have read that needy thinks her implant is a miracle. I know of a professor that says his implant miracle and I know of a doctor that feels the same way.

What one thinks is a miracle for them is a personal choice and I am no one tell someone what is and is not miracle in their lives.

Again I personally do not think the CI is a miracle, it can be an amazing tool with the right support.

There it is again. Shouldn't the focus be on what the implant has provided for the recipient, and not on the convenience of the recipient's family?

 

[loml]

originally posted by loml

shel90- Myself, I would not choose to use the word more, but opportunities are different. The opportunites for my children are different than the ones that I had. For me, it is the world evolving.

Because people choose different paths does not mean that they do not respect each others choices.

Why this need to speak on behalf of a group of people that you do not belong to?

flip - How is that you come to this conclusion from my post?

 

[GalaxyAngel]

Your oldest son is losing his hearing or already had lost some in his left ear?

his left ear hearing loss..

Barely hard to hear.. He trying to listen his friend over the telephone but doesn't mind have volume bit louder..
He kept telling me, cannot wait I'll turn Deaf.. I say heck no, don't be silly.. He say I want to have relationship closer mom everyday.. Melt my heart for him!
(chuckles)
He want more improve his ASL pro!

 

[lumbingmi]

Feel free to admit you were wrong whenever you want.

Blame on that website's poor search feature. Nothing do with my "lack of research"

Do you truly feel that children of 5 or 6 years old should make their own decisions on important issues?

Hearing parents are likely to brainwash poor innocent kids even if kids protest or dont want CI, hearing parents will still impose implants on them anyway. Sad isn't it?

Where did I specifically said YOU are anti-ci? I never mentioned your name at all.

You didn't mention my name but you implied me as anti ci since you quoted me.

 

[lumbingmi]

Again do you understand how children develop language and that if a child is implant when he is older he will not be able to learn at the level of a child who is implant say around 1 or 2 years old.

See shel90's post. It doesn't make any difference if child with CI would be better off learning at young age or later age. As long deaf child are exposure to ANY natural language at the earliest possible regardless having CI or not.

*sighs*

No wonder we have people in the Deaf comunity who hate CIs...we r being told that people with CIs have more opportunies, speak better, can do more, and are not isolated than us. It is like the medical field and oral only approaches totally screwed us up and telling us we r f$#cked up for life because we can't hear??? Not just here on AD but out here...come on..where is the respect for deaf people and ASL??

I agree and it sucks.

 

[yizuman]

But what is the chance of getting it if you have been vaccinated, it is .5% well, then I have higher chance of getting killed in my car so I better lock myself up in my closet.

Life is full of chances.

I'd like to minimize my chances by making a well informed choices in my life before I make my next move.

With the risks that associates with CI, I think I'll pass.

I'm happy with my deafness as it is. Hell, why would I want to leave my deaf culture behind?

What bothers me about CI as mentioned on another topic is about the possible destruction of the deaf culture as a whole if CI was forced upon deaf children.

 

[yizuman]

The NAD position paper also says:

Parents have the right to know about and understand the various options available, including all factors that might impact development. While there are some successes with implants, success stories should not be over-generalized to every individual.

*snip!*

Source?

Yiz

 

[yizuman]

WOW... YOU are deciding that.???.... what happened to "letting the child decided"?

Still, if your deaf baby can hear with CI, why would you want your baby not to hear?

Only if and when the child becomes a LEGAL ADULT with a WELL INFORMED DECISION to decide on whether or not that individual wants to take the risk that associates with CI surgery.

The child on one hand who is NATURALLY born deaf needs to be left alone! Let the child grow NATURALLY with all of the enimities that is already provided for deaf children around the world.

Being deaf isn't the end of the world.

A deaf child can grow up normally just like any hearing child. Attend school to receive their education and if so choose, attend college.

Deaf kids are no different from hearing kids who deal with the day to day trivial things such as fashion, gadgets, sports, girlfriend and boyfriend, money, cars, a summer job, etc.

Until the day they turn 18 and given all of the information about the risks with CI, if they choose so to receive CI. More power to them and a little prayer that they don't suffer any complications from post surgery.

Until then, leave the deaf children alone.

I hate it when parents pities their kids and think they're doing what they think is right for them. Kids don't want to be pitied, they want support and help them adapt to their deafness as they are naturally and meant to be born with.

Bottom line is, don't screw with nature.

Yiz

 

[yizuman]

WOW... YOU are deciding that.???.... what happened to "letting the child decided"?

Still, if your deaf baby can hear with CI, why would you want your baby not to hear?

A little more verbiage if I may....

Why would you want to deny the very heritage that the child is naturally born with?

Why would you deny the knowledge of the deaf culture that he or she is born into?

You make it sound as if the child is born with a disease, being deaf if not a disease. It's called nature.

I hate double speak, some of you people say that the parent(s) have a right to give their deaf children CI and yet turn around to say that if the parent(s) does not give their child CI, you cry child abuse.

Excuse my French, but I call bullshit.

Yiz

 

[Drew's Dad]

I hate double speak, some of you people say that the parent(s) have a right to give their deaf children CI and yet turn around to say that if the parent(s) does not give their child CI, you cry child abuse.

We did discuss a case like that, but I've never seen that allegation made on this board.

 

[Drew's Dad]

Hearing parents are likely to brainwash poor innocent kids even if kids protest or dont want CI, hearing parents will still impose implants on them anyway. Sad isn't it?

So does that mean "Yes, important life decisions should be made by 5-6 year old children", or "No, important life decisions should not be made by 5-6 year old children"?

Also, are you advancing the position that only hearing parents would "brainwash" kids (I assume you mean "influence their decision)?

Do you think that there is a possibility that once kids live in a given style for 5-6 years that they are more likely to want to stay in that situation rather than totally change it? Do you think that maybe once children adapt to a certain lifestyle that they are likely to say they like living that way - especially since they know nothing else?

 

[shel90]

There is no need to cuzz at me. What I as saying was a fact, I am not saying that my children's speech is better then yours because I never heard you. What I am saying and it is fact that my children can talk on the phone, my children can understand what people are saying with their backs turn to them. I did not say it was better because that is a matter opinion, what you might think is better might not be what I think is better.

If you want respect you must also give it. I always teach my children treat people as you want them to treat you. I treat you as you treat me. I do not give respect just because you say I should.

I understand that you went through hell when you were in oral education. And I do not disagree that you havn't, I have heard the horror stories and I have learned from them. That was not my fault nor am I going to take heat for what you went through. While I am now and will always be an oral teacher, I know that I am not like those old oral teachers of the deaf. I know that you do not need to be oral in order to be successful in life nor do I think oral is better it is for my children but it is a personal choice and different thing suit differently for different people.

I am not gonna get into an argument with u here. I didnt point nor use your name. I was venting cuz that is how many of us deaf people, not just here on AD, but out here feel. I have ever right to vent about how I feel as long as it is not a direct attack and my post was not a direct attack on u.

U can see people quoting my post and agreeing with me. There are people out in the Deaf community saying the same thing as I said. We are tired of being compared to children with CIs. We are happy for them and that they are doing well but to imply that being deaf equals to a lesser quality of life is just not respectful.

Now, I am always going to be against oral-deaf ed. That is my business but does that mean I attacked u for it. NOOOOO! I have every right to vent about my crappy childhood inn the oral only deaf ed. In another thread, someone said that putting deaf children in such an extremely restrictive environment like that is child abuse and now that I think about it, I have to agree with that person.

 

[rick48]

A little more verbiage if I may....

Why would you want to deny the very heritage that the child is naturally born with?

Why would you deny the knowledge of the deaf culture that he or she is born into?

You make it sound as if the child is born with a disease, being deaf if not a disease. It's called nature.

I hate double speak, some of you people say that the parent(s) have a right to give their deaf children CI and yet turn around to say that if the parent(s) does not give their child CI, you cry child abuse.

Excuse my French, but I call bullshit.

Yiz

What you have stated above are not facts but merely your opinion and I will leave it at that.

However, do not hide behind the "some of you" statement. Who on this board has ever said that if a parent who has not given their child a cochlear implant that it is child abuse?
Rick

 

[LadySekhmet]

You didn't mention my name but you implied me as anti ci since you quoted me.

Where? I quoted Boult. Original post here. or just see post #12. I merely responded to Boult's post. I never "implied" specifically you as an anti-CI. I was just saying a general population of people who are against ci sometimes won't really listen. I could care less if you were against CI, all I care is if you back up your facts and opinions. If you give out false facts or an opinion based on ONE case or two, it will get attacked. So, no I did NOT specifically imply you.