Why CI is bad for kids under 6 yrs.

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Drew's dad - My cat slipped on some broken ice cubes today. Does she need therapy to help her get over her little slip and fall? I'm afraid that she won't set a paw in the kitchen anymore because she was so distraught about a life threatening situation. She currently has anxiety issues, and is taking happy pills for that, but now this. Man! Who knew having a cat can "cost a lot of money and a lot of risks". :giggle:

sheesh!
 
Some of you need to work on how to quote posts, it's confusing the heck out of me. :dizzy: while I'm trying to figured out who said what.
 
Do you want to risk your kid to this?
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In almost everything we do there are pros and cons that we must take into consideration. My point was about menengitis being associated with CI's as being old news. You are clearly anti CI for children and you have the right to that opinion just as others have the right to their opinions. The reality is that for some the CI will be successful and for some it wont. For some they may experience some complications and for others, they wont. It is good to know what the risks are so they may be considered and so that an educated decision can be made.
 
In almost everything we do there are pros and cons that we must take into consideration. My point was about menengitis being associated with CI's as being old news. You are clearly anti CI for children and you have the right to that opinion just as others have the right to their opinions. The reality is that for some the CI will be successful and for some it wont. For some they may experience some complications and for others, they wont. It is good to know what the risks are so they may be considered and so that an educated decision can be made.

^ can't argue with that, I agree with rockdrummer. :)
 
Oh, so it's my fault? Whoops. I deleted the last [q=] by accident.

Drew's dad - My cat slipped on some broken ice cubes today. Does she need therapy to help her get over her little slip and fall? I'm afraid that she won't set a paw in the kitchen anymore because she was so distraught about a life threatening situation. She currently has anxiety issues, and is taking happy pills for that, but now this. Man! Who knew having a cat can "cost a lot of money and a lot of risks". :giggle:

lol :giggle::giggle:
 
In almost everything we do there are pros and cons that we must take into consideration. My point was about menengitis being associated with CI's as being old news. You are clearly anti CI for children and you have the right to that opinion just as others have the right to their opinions. The reality is that for some the CI will be successful and for some it wont. For some they may experience some complications and for others, they wont. It is good to know what the risks are so they may be considered and so that an educated decision can be made.

RIGHT ON
 
In almost everything we do there are pros and cons that we must take into consideration. My point was about menengitis being associated with CI's as being old news. You are clearly anti CI for children and you have the right to that opinion just as others have the right to their opinions. The reality is that for some the CI will be successful and for some it wont. For some they may experience some complications and for others, they wont. It is good to know what the risks are so they may be considered and so that an educated decision can be made.

So you're willing to risk a child's life despite of the risks involved with CI surgeries?

It's not old news, you have clearly ignored the most recent news that kids are still dying as result of receiving CIs. Even with vaccinations, it is still not 100% guaranteed that the child will not contract menegitis post surgery.

The CI surgeries needs to stop until they come up with a means and assurances that no child nor adults will suffer the consequences of receiving CI. One death is too many.

We're not just being anti-CI, the more pressing concern is the safety of every child than thinking what's best for the child.
 
So you're willing to risk a child's life despite of the risks involved with CI surgeries?

It's not old news, you have clearly ignored the most recent news that kids are still dying as result of receiving CIs. Even with vaccinations, it is still not 100% guaranteed that the child will not contract menegitis post surgery.

The CI surgeries needs to stop until they come up with a means and assurances that no child nor adults will suffer the consequences of receiving CI. One death is too many.

We're not just being anti-CI, the more pressing concern is the safety of every child than thinking what's best for the child.

In that case, transporting children or people in cars must stop until they come up with assurances that no one will suffer the consequences of a car accident - one death is too many.
 
In that case, transporting children or people in cars must stop until they come up with assurances that no one will suffer the consequences of a car accident - one death is too many.

Nice strawman argument.

The big difference between a car accident and CI surgery is this...

A car accident is something that can't be always be avoidable, even with good defensive driving.

Dying from a bad side effect as a result from a CI is preventable. What we need is better evaluation for each patient to determine if the patient is a risk of severe consequences. We may not have a 100% medical foolproof system that can tell us if the patient is indeed at risk, but rest assure that with the medical advancements that we have going, we will be able to just that one day.

Until then, I think the CI surgeries needs to be on hold until we are able via medical technology to determine if CI is safe for the patient.

On a side note, no one can drive until they're 16, barely an adult, (IMHO, I think the driving age needs to be raised to 18 for all states, 16 is too young for the mental and emotional maturity for driving) but we're talking about children under the age of 6 that don't need to be facing this kind of risk with CI. Big difference there.

That's why I think 18 is an appropriate age to be making a decision in regards to CI and the risks that associates with it.
 
Nice strawman argument.

The big difference between a car accident and CI surgery is this...

A car accident is something that can't be always be avoidable, even with good defensive driving.

Dying from a bad side effect as a result from a CI is preventable. What we need is better evaluation for each patient to determine if the patient is a risk of severe consequences. We may not have a 100% medical foolproof system that can tell us if the patient is indeed at risk, but rest assure that with the medical advancements that we have going, we will be able to just that one day.

Until then, I think the CI surgeries needs to be on hold until we are able via medical technology to determine if CI is safe for the patient.

On a side note, no one can drive until they're 16, barely an adult, (IMHO, I think the driving age needs to be raised to 18 for all states, 16 is too young for the mental and emotional maturity for driving) but we're talking about children under the age of 6 that don't need to be facing this kind of risk with CI. Big difference there.

That's why I think 18 is an appropriate age to be making a decision in regards to CI and the risks that associates with it.


Hmmmm...u got a good point there.
 
Nice strawman argument.

The big difference between a car accident and CI surgery is this...

A car accident is something that can't be always be avoidable, even with good defensive driving.

Dying from a bad side effect as a result from a CI is preventable. What we need is better evaluation for each patient to determine if the patient is a risk of severe consequences. We may not have a 100% medical foolproof system that can tell us if the patient is indeed at risk, but rest assure that with the medical advancements that we have going, we will be able to just that one day.

Until then, I think the CI surgeries needs to be on hold until we are able via medical technology to determine if CI is safe for the patient.

On a side note, no one can drive until they're 16, barely an adult, (IMHO, I think the driving age needs to be raised to 18 for all states, 16 is too young for the mental and emotional maturity for driving) but we're talking about children under the age of 6 that don't need to be facing this kind of risk with CI. Big difference there.

That's why I think 18 is an appropriate age to be making a decision in regards to CI and the risks that associates with it.

A car accident is completely avoidable by not driving, and you're suggesting that we "don't drive" by halting all CI surgeries because of the inherent risks involved.

It would be great to have a better evaluation like you suggest, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that there is a similar or greater probability of being killed in a car accident than through complications with CI surgery. It's just that most people (probably you included) think that driving is worth the inherent risks that come with it, but you don't feel that the inherent risks of CI surgery are worth it. It's that old risk/reward comparison at work.
 
So you're willing to risk a child's life despite of the risks involved with CI surgeries?

It's not old news, you have clearly ignored the most recent news that kids are still dying as result of receiving CIs. Even with vaccinations, it is still not 100% guaranteed that the child will not contract menegitis post surgery.

The CI surgeries needs to stop until they come up with a means and assurances that no child nor adults will suffer the consequences of receiving CI. One death is too many.

We're not just being anti-CI, the more pressing concern is the safety of every child than thinking what's best for the child.

So could please tell me how many children lost theri lives directly related to an implant in the last 24 months. Just wondering.
 
In that case, transporting children or people in cars must stop until they come up with assurances that no one will suffer the consequences of a car accident - one death is too many.

I think that is a great idea. Let's set up a campaign to stop all people using cars or least to stop from putting children into cars.
 
Nice strawman argument.

The big difference between a car accident and CI surgery is this...

A car accident is something that can't be always be avoidable, even with good defensive driving.

Dying from a bad side effect as a result from a CI is preventable. What we need is better evaluation for each patient to determine if the patient is a risk of severe consequences. We may not have a 100% medical foolproof system that can tell us if the patient is indeed at risk, but rest assure that with the medical advancements that we have going, we will be able to just that one day.

Until then, I think the CI surgeries needs to be on hold until we are able via medical technology to determine if CI is safe for the patient.

On a side note, no one can drive until they're 16, barely an adult, (IMHO, I think the driving age needs to be raised to 18 for all states, 16 is too young for the mental and emotional maturity for driving) but we're talking about children under the age of 6 that don't need to be facing this kind of risk with CI. Big difference there.

That's why I think 18 is an appropriate age to be making a decision in regards to CI and the risks that associates with it.

But a car accident can be avoid, we just pass somekind of all where we cann use them. Just like somepeople want to pass law that would make implants illegal. Same thing just on much larger scale.
 
I think that is a great idea. Let's set up a campaign to stop all people using cars or least to stop from putting children into cars.

I do really wish for that cuz that is one of my worst fears ..getting into a car accident with my children in it. Too bad that there is not a better metro system here in my area cuz I get nervous when people drive reckless on the roads. *shudders*

Driving is very dangerous and it should be banned.
 
I do really wish for that cuz that is one of my worst fears ..getting into a car accident with my children in it. Too bad that there is not a better metro system here in my area cuz I get nervous when people drive reckless on the roads. *shudders*

Driving is very dangerous and it should be banned.
It really is incredible how dangerous driving really is, and I also do get worried someone who isn't paying attention or drunk could hit my kids as well...so I'm with you there (but don't think we should ban driving).
 
It really is incredible how dangerous driving really is, and I also do get worried someone who isn't paying attention or drunk could hit my kids as well...so I'm with you there (but don't think we should ban driving).

Think about all the money we can save without paying for gas, insurance and car payments!!!

Sorry for off-topic but I couldnt resist. :)
 
A car accident is completely avoidable by not driving, and you're suggesting that we "don't drive" by halting all CI surgeries because of the inherent risks involved.

It would be great to have a better evaluation like you suggest, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that there is a similar or greater probability of being killed in a car accident than through complications with CI surgery. It's just that most people (probably you included) think that driving is worth the inherent risks that come with it, but you don't feel that the inherent risks of CI surgery are worth it. It's that old risk/reward comparison at work.

We can't avoid death 100% of the time.

By not driving, you'd still get killed by something else. Some things can't be avoided.

Can you avoid a meteor that crashes through the roof of your house and smack you square on your head?

You can avoid the risk associated with CI by not having one! Period.

Better deaf than dead.

Sticking your head in the sand like an Ostrich and calling the risks with CI as "old news" is just plain ignorant.

What also gets me is that many Doctors are not disclosing information about the risks of CI because many think there isn't any. Even if they think that since a patient has been immunized, it's all good. That's even more ignorant.

Speaking of old news, still think the risk of CI as "old news"? How about the Feb 5th, 2008 news article...

City mourns beloved worker, ‘Sumner’s sweeper’ | TheNewsTribune.com | Tacoma, WA

Some 48 year old deaf dude took the CI and he later died. 48 years too young! :(

He had the CI on Jan. 28, 2008 and he died 3 days later of.....guess what???

***************drum roll*******************

Yes! You guessed it right!!

Meningitis!!!!

Look at these poor families crying because they lost someone that they loved and it didn't have to happen!!!! That really aggravates me!!!

I'll bet you 10 to 1 that the doctor never told him about the risks!

And I'll bet you 10 to 1 that if he had been well informed of the risks, he would have backed out. Unless he rather be dead than deaf, which is very unlikely.

Of course he made his choice, but I wonder if his "choice" was truly informative?

So you think that the risks of CI is very small and you're willing to ignore the numbers of deaths associated with CI and still promote it? I think that's pretty damn selfish.
 
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