Who is God?

[shel90]

But I see different as you... I do not see that everyone tried to win their debate against your belief but show you why they disagree with your belief as the same as you show them why you disagree with their beliefs.

I see nothing wrong when everyone debates in polite way where they have different beliefs as you... I see normal when every beliefs are against each other with disagreement because your and their bibles convince you and them differently. That´s why I am neutral to any beliefs and collect every different beliefs what they believe in...

Yea, I agree with u. Back in Fall or Winter, I tried to debate with them and others to learn more from them but all I got was "If u dont accept nor believe in God, u will go to Hell or Wait until u die and u will be begging for forgiveness "or something like that. I got sick of that repeated to me over and over again cuz all I was trying to learn from a neutral point of view but I felt that I was being slammed with how their beliefs are RIGHT or are The TRUTH! I am not interested in that kind of nonsense.

 

[Yiffzer]

Yea, I agree with u. Back in Fall or Winter, I tried to debate with them and others to learn more from them but all I got was "If u dont accept nor believe in God, u will go to Hell or Wait until u die and u will be begging for forgiveness "or something like that. I got sick of that repeated to me over and over again cuz all I was trying to learn from a neutral point of view but I felt that I was being slammed with how their beliefs are RIGHT or are The TRUTH! I am not interested in that kind of nonsense.

Thank you. This is one of the main reasons why I shy away from Christianity. Christianity has nothing much to hold it up other than to propagate a misguiding concept. Neither Reba, Defee, or anyone else had any good arguments to uphold their trinitarian/Jesus is God belief. And trust me, I really tried to understand the trinity, but I find holes in such a concept that leaves it begging to be eliminated from the Bible.

I think the closest religion in terms of similarities would be the Seventh Adventists denomination. Even though their belief is rooted in the trinity and Jesus being God (what denomination doesn't anyway? :roll, their conservative beliefs are based on Judaism and ties in closely with Islam.

 

[Yiffzer]

You cant read either and you dont understand the Bible.
You only read the Koran...:roll:
Why you keep on arguing with us Christians? since your
beliefs are different from ours?

{Mod Edit: Direct unnecessary comment removed--~RR} The Bible is full of interpretations and far too many Bible scholars contradict each other on these terms. In Judaism, Torah scholars contradict largely as well. In Islam, Islamic scholars also contradict but they only argue over the littlest things but most have the same belief derived directly from the Qur'an since there's literally no "different versions" of the original Arabic Qur'an.
My father's Catholic and my mother's Jewish. It led me to read the Bible for the purpose of understanding religion. I don't only read the Qur'an as you might think.
I don't know if I'd call it "arguing" but certainly I am debating for the sake of learning. So far, none of you have convinced me. All you've done is repeat the same threats. And I certainly do not have any beliefs at this moment.

Contrary to what you might think, I have no belief. This discussion is simply a case of bringing proof. All you have shown me is of no substance or proof.

I agree with CyberRed that you want to win your debate with us
against Christ..just give it up, ok?
Giveitup,giveitup.

Again, I have nothing to win against Christ or not against Christ. I only wish to learn and if possible, be convinced.

I have nothing to win or lose. This is for the sake of education and so far I've learned nothing from you guys who can't even put up a comprehensive argument except re-telling the same lines over and over about Jesus.

You know that I believe in the Qur'an? How did you come to the conclusion of two things?: you knowing, and you knowing that I believe?

The problem is, you have me confused with believing when I have not yet stated my faith

It is quite sad that I have to copy/paste these quotes repeatedly.

 

[Mistyrose]

{Mod Edit: Previous comment had been removed--~RR} The Bible is full of interpretations and far too many Bible scholars contradict each other on these terms. In Judaism, Torah scholars contradict largely as well. In Islam, Islamic scholars also contradict but they only argue over the littlest things but most have the same belief derived directly from the Qur'an since there's literally no "different versions" of the original Arabic Qur'an.
My father's Catholic and my mother's Jewish. It led me to read the Bible for the purpose of understanding religion. I don't only read the Qur'an as you might think.
I don't know if I'd call it "arguing" but certainly I am debating for the sake of learning. So far, none of you have convinced me. All you've done is repeat the same threats. And I certainly do not have any beliefs at this moment.





Again, I have nothing to win against Christ or not against Christ. I only wish to learn and if possible, be convinced.





It is quite sad that I have to copy/paste these quotes repeatedly.

Ok, im sorry...Im not trying to argue with you or anything. I think we need
to stop and try to understand each other. We have to respect other people's beliefs and all. I know you are trying to learn and understand so we are too.
I know in my heart that there is God, cuz something happened in my life that
I cannot explain to you or anybody.
I know you are a good person, Yiffzer and im not trying to fight you or anything, ok? smile. Have a good day.

 

[BearBeauty]

We've all got to remember that every religion has a different point of view. ANd there are always going to be arguments for or against that viewpoint.

Best we can do is accept the view of the other person. imo. I read everyone's viewpoints, and I understand their views.. I know everyone has their beliefs in god, jesus, Allah, the trinity, ect...

that's all good and fine.

I know there are people who are atheist.. or agnostic... or spiritual. it's all based on your views.

I am a former christian who stopped believing in God and has become spiritual, but I still respect other people's opinions and beliefs. I just wish people would stop saying that if you don't believe in God, and repent your sins, then you will go to hell. it can make a person paranoid at times. And People need to remember that there is most likely a reason why someone has banished God from their lives.. So preaching at someone will not change them.. just make them more inclined to be atheist or whatnot.

So why not find out why someone has banished god from their lives before you start preaching? it might help you understand them better.

 

[Yiffzer]

 

[Reba]

Tousi, Defee and Reba...
It sounds that you consider them as "immaturity" kids to compare to you and Tousi because they have different beliefs as you?

It has nothing to do with their beliefs. It has to do with attitude and age.

 

[Yiffzer]

Age has no bearing on maturity.
Attitude has no bearing on age.
For you to call someone else immature makes yourself one as well.

 

[Mistyrose]

Tousi, Defee and Reba...

It sounds that you consider them as "immaturity" kids to compare to you and Tousi because they have different beliefs as you? I consider Yiffzer and RITCount as young intelligent adult. I find their debate posts very interesting... I like to collect different beliefs what they beleive in. It doesn´t mean that they are wrong and your are correct but it´s just that you all have different beliefs.

Its about open mind... to learn to understand where they comes from.

Calm down,..you take things seriously, we were just joking around.
smile!

 

[XBGMER]

My enemy,

let me step back, I want you read Judges 13:22-23 before you jump in my throat..

I don't think you understand what it means. I was talkin' about IF, God allows you to SEE His Face while you are on this earth, He will kill you. You will drop dead real fast. Sooo, He don't want to do that to people on this earth. Only in Heaven they WILL see His Face after they die. Body and spirit/soul are 2 different things. I hope it helps you to understand what it means.

I believe in God because, He was tellin' the truth. I will NOT ask Him to show me His Face. Moses asked Him to show His Face to Moses. It's why God told him No, because it will kill him. God don't want that to happen to him because, He loves Moses so much as He loves you, me and everyone so much, too.

Why don't you try to put your hand closer to the light bulb and see if, it can burn your hand's skin ? Why don't you try to put a little wet on the light bulb to see, if it dries up really fast ? Why don't you put a small food like a small speck on the light bulb to see, if it can burn the food ?

Same idea with God, because He is the Light and His Light can burn sins. His Light can kill sins. His Light's Watt is beyond THAN what we have at the stores. The bulbs are from 7 to 100 watts or maybe, more. It still feels the heat when you are closer to it. God's Light is very Hot than any bulbs at the store.

Yes, that's because we are sinners and the sins are still with us. Use this imagination I will give an example : The nuclear bomb drops in the sky without touchin' the ground and it explodes. The heat from it will expand to many miles and the heat will burn people's body in their distance ( I would say more than 50 miles away from one spot that has been exploded ). And, the people can feel the heat, it will melt their skin, their eyes will fall off its sockets, their hair will fall off from their scalps -- maybe, more than 3rd degree burn, or less -- dependin' on where they are at and how far or close they are to the bomb. But, with God's Light if, anyone wants to see His Face while they are in their flesh ( body ), His Light will burn them to ashes in no time, because of the sins we carry with us. God can not look at us. He is too perfect and Holy. When we die, our souls will change to become like Christ's and we will be able to see God's Face without killin' us, because we will become perfect in Heaven just like Jesus. His Light is also consumin' the darkness. It's why there's no darkness in Heaven.

If We saw Satan's face, Did he kill us? Because He is an angel of Light/ Satan is lighting.. so whats your point?

IF you can see satan of what he look like but you cant see God of what he look like? thats meaning you are arch-enemy against yourself, not me nor others..

My result, Like i told you God is Satan. Satan is God period! Since Highest scripture told me that God is a light in 1 john 1:5 and Satan is an angel of Light in 2 Corinthians 11:14. God is [an angel of] light and Satan is angel [of light]. both had lights and angels. God is angel, Satan is angel also.. God and Satan are the SAME ONE! no question!


Like what i said in MY NUMBER 117: http://www.alldeaf.com/748126-post117.html

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"

 

[jazzy]

Tousi, Defee and Reba...

It sounds that you consider them as "immaturity" kids to compare to you and Tousi because they have different beliefs as you? I consider Yiffzer and RITCount as young intelligent adult. I find their debate posts very interesting... I like to collect different beliefs what they beleive in. It doesn´t mean that they are wrong and your are correct but it´s just that you all have different beliefs.

Its about open mind... to learn to understand where they comes from.

They are still kids for one they have not live a full life yet so they are still learning and growing. As for u and me, we already past that stage of life where they have not arrive there yet. As for Tousi and Reba, they already past the stage where u and I have not reach yet. We are older and more expeirnce than them so when they made the decision to tell us that we do not know much about bible or God or etc... It is pure ego talk, IMHO to make themselves feel good especially when they like to make others look bad. If they believe they know God more than me then they are wrong because they had not live a full life to understand God yet. I am still learning to this day and I will keep learning till the day I die.

 

[jazzy]

Age has no bearing on maturity.
Attitude has no bearing on age.
For you to call someone else immature makes yourself one as well.

They believe u'r still a kid because u have not live a full life yet. It has do with age and attiude. My husband would smack my 24 years old son if he disrespect me with his attiudes.

 

[Maria]

They believe u'r still a kid because u have not live a full life yet. It has do with age and attiude. My husband would smack my 24 years old son if he disrespect me with his attiudes.

And, also he haven't experienced to TASTE God yet to open his eyes and heart to UNDERSTAND Him. It's still a looooong way for him.

 

[Yiffzer]

They believe u'r still a kid because u have not live a full life yet. It has do with age and attiude. My husband would smack my 24 years old son if he disrespect me with his attiudes.

No one can have a "full" life. It would be impossible to. Again, age has no relation attitude. If you can prove it, then do so. I can point out one fact that would refute such a "proof": there are ignorant people everywhere young and old.

 

[Yiffzer]

And, also he haven't experienced to TASTE God yet to open his eyes and heart to UNDERSTAND Him. It's still a looooong way for him.

The problem is, you have me confused with believing when I have not yet stated my faith.

It's a shame I had to point this out several times. Assumption is an "immature" process to go by.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yea, I agree with u. Back in Fall or Winter, I tried to debate with them and others to learn more from them but all I got was "If u dont accept nor believe in God, u will go to Hell or Wait until u die and u will be begging for forgiveness "or something like that. I got sick of that repeated to me over and over again cuz all I was trying to learn from a neutral point of view but I felt that I was being slammed with how their beliefs are RIGHT or are The TRUTH! I am not interested in that kind of nonsense.

Yes I know what you mean... I was there, too... They refuse to open their mind to see why other beliefs have different views as them because they think their bibles are 100% correct and other beliefs' bibles are wrong. They did said to me in several threads to go hell if I don't accept nor beleive in God, etc. I don't see loving feeling in them but threaten and judgement. *sigh*

 

[Liebling:-)))]

They are still kids for one they have not live a full life yet so they are still learning and growing. As for u and me, we already past that stage of life where they have not arrive there yet. As for Tousi and Reba, they already past the stage where u and I have not reach yet. We are older and more expeirnce than them so when they made the decision to tell us that we do not know much about bible or God or etc... It is pure ego talk, IMHO to make themselves feel good especially when they like to make others look bad. If they believe they know God more than me then they are wrong because they had not live a full life to understand God yet. I am still learning to this day and I will keep learning till the day I die.

Respectfully disagree.

Sure, we (adults, teenagers and children) have different learning styles and needs but we are STILL learning everyday as long as we are alive, no matter how old we are. Oh yes, we learn something new everyday... It never stops...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It has nothing to do with their beliefs. It has to do with attitude and age.

Remember, the age is only number.

There're some adults who act like an immaturity and childish way and some children and teenagers act like maturity young adult. That's why I consider ages as number.

What would you label 30 years old man who acts like an immaturity way as...??? I would consider him as the kid because of his immaturity and childish behavior, no matter either he is 30 or 50 years old.

 

[Blade Runner]

They are still kids for one they have not live a full life yet so they are still learning and growing. As for u and me, we already past that stage of life where they have not arrive there yet. As for Tousi and Reba, they already past the stage where u and I have not reach yet. We are older and more expeirnce than them so when they made the decision to tell us that we do not know much about bible or God or etc... It is pure ego talk, IMHO to make themselves feel good especially when they like to make others look bad. If they believe they know God more than me then they are wrong because they had not live a full life to understand God yet. I am still learning to this day and I will keep learning till the day I die.

Uh, I'm not a kid. I'm 27. What does that tell you? I'm going to be a part of the "older people" group you claim you are part of. I've got a wife in the wings, what does that tell you?

Good luck watching yourself in the mirror when you get up only to realize even a 27 year old guy can do things that you "adults" claim me, a "kid" can't.

 

[Blade Runner]

Age has no bearing on maturity.
Attitude has no bearing on age.
For you to call someone else immature makes yourself one as well.

Exactly. Yiffy knows I've got a wife in the making, and I doubt a person who is immature would easily get a wife like I have. Even a 27 year old guy like me can be mature and still debate.

Welcome to the hard lessons of reality, Reba.