Who is God?

[Reba]

...Women also get their reward in paradise.

Which is what?

 

[VamPyroX]

Holy Spirit, Father and Jesus Christ (son) =Trinity, you have freezing ice, hot water & tap water all 3 into 1 thing. Jesus is REIGN! in the heaven now.

Holy Spirit, Father and Son become one!
King of Kings and Lord of Lords Revelation 19:16

So... Spirit:Father:Son = Solid:Liquid:Gas... meaning Jesus is gas?

 

[christlovedeaf]

Can you at least quote correctly? And stop using caps. I can't even follow along in that style.



To the average guy, the OT contradicts the NT. Can you understand why?



You're going off the point. You're not addressing my question about why Jesus prays and why Jesus said that everyone, including him, isn't good except God.



That's a bit off the point.



And I'm not disputing that. Can you make clear of this?:

"The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies." Isaiah 42:13

If I'm wrong, can you tell me what these verses refer to?:

"He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you." (John 16:14)
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26)
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me." (John 15:26)
"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken." (Deuteronomy 18:15)

Be well.

1)Sorry about that, I don't know how to highlight each questions, so that is the reason I capitalized the answer after each questions, so, you can spot my answer easier. Sorry that I upset you in this way. 2)Tell me, how can OT and NT be contradict to you? 3) Remember, the reason He prayed to His Father, bec He gave up His Glory and authority, and during His time of solitary moments is bec He and His Father are in the business. Jesus refuse to give into Satan's power, bec Satan himself war against Him to block salvation for all mankind. So Jesus overcame the power of death(spiritual death), hell ( that chained on people) and all other evil forces. That is why Jesus prayed. But like Lord's Prayer and etc, He is teaching the proper way of praying. 4) Jesus is not like cheap marketing, Jesus does not "butt in" and interfere jews prayers. Remember, a woman at the well? The problem is jews think Jerusalem where God is, so Samaritan worship God in Samaria. But Jesus said, true worshipper is worshipping in Spirit and Truth. Most jews praying "egoistic" prayers. Jesus see in their hearts of darkness and filthy of sins in them. 5) If you read the whole passage on Isaiah 42, remember God is a jealous God, not the same term or way of jealousy as us, His jealousy is pure and like the Temple, jews perverted God's House, and they were selling and buying and ripping off, which lead the anger of the Lord. He is LIKE a mighty army leader. He is driven the power of sin 6) all the verses you quoted what Jesus is saying, as a Prophet is not the same as a prophets. He is saying that, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all working together, and the point is? Salvation. For? All mankind. Why call Jesus the Sacrificial Lamb? Throughout the OT, where jews had many different kind of sacrifices. That's pictured exactly the point of why Jesus gave up His authority to become human like us, nailed on the cross shed pure, sinless blood for sacrifices to bore all our sins as in describing in Isaiah 53. smile

 

[Blade Runner]

If I ever rant, you will know it, believe me. So far, no rants.


Not at all. Do you see me asking for anyone's approval or support?

I graduated from junior high school a looooooong time ago. School yard cliques are of no interest to me.

Sorry, but you have ranted about how I and Yiffy are both "wrong."

Unfortunately, these cliques are still being employed here at alldeaf. I'm just being honest about this forum. You're in a virtual schoolyard where Alex is the principal patrolling to see if one of us will crack.

 

[Mistyrose]

That's okay, Defee; theyr'e just kids.....snot-nosed ones at that....

lol! Tousi, hun...snot-nosed or not, not all them are kids, heh!

 

[Reba]

lol! Tousi, hun...snot-nosed or not, not all them are kids, heh!

Compared to Tousi and me, they are kids.

 

[PePe LePew]

Hmmm CyberRed

I have a KJV Bible ..it never says Jesus is God! Hmmmmm

FYI, I am usin' KJV Bible and my bible is NOT altered. Ok ? And, now I want you to tell me if, you can understand what the scriptures are sayin' here :

John 1:1-5
" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness apprehended it not. "

And, there's another one. I want you to tell me if, you understand this one, too. If, so - tell me what it means to tell you ?

Titus 3:4-7
" But when the kindness of God our Saviour, and his love toward man, appeared, not by works [done] in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, which he poured out upon us richly, through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that, being justified by his grace, we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. "

 

[PePe LePew]

I thinks Religion Forum should be erased due to Argument

Alex ...

Wouldn't it be better to take the Religion Forum out, people just never stop fighting with each other who's right and who's wrong...

It's getting out of hands and it's very tiresome...

Bothersome to many also it would brings more peace is to take out the Religons Forum out, wouldn't you agree ?

Thank you!

 

[Maria]

I have a KJV Bible ..it never says Jesus is God! Hmmmmm

Yes, it says that He is. Ask ChristLoveDeaf, Reba, and a few of others. They will be able to tell you. They understood these scriptures pretty much as I do. I am not the only one to believe that Jesus is God.

 

[Maria]

Alex ...

Wouldn't it be better to take the Religion Forum out, people just never stop fighting with each other who's right and who's wrong...

It's getting out of hands and it's very tiresome...

Bothersome to many also it would brings more peace is to take out the Religons Forum out, wouldn't you agree ?

Thank you!

Well, if it really bothers you so much ... then, why should you come in here for ? Go and find elsewhere that may be interested you. I am sure others will tell you the same thing.

 

[Maria]

Compared to Tousi and me, they are kids.

Nice crayons to color ...

 

[Maria]

:jaw: OHHHH! No dang wonder!! I didnt know that Yiffzer is an Muslim!
Nooo wonder!! that did solve the mystery...He only believes in Allah, not
God!! Oh yeah, the Muslims do believe that when they die, they will
will meet seven beautiful virgins in Heaven.
And i dont know why Yiffzer and other Muslims come in here and argue
with us Christians who believe in God and Jesus, really cuz we have different
beliefs so we need to respect other people's religions instead of arguing
and belitting and all. Why go on and on cuz we will never agree on cuz
the Muslims only believe in Allah not God so there is no point in arguing with
these people, really, just a waste of bandwith...geeeeez! Agree?

Because, he wants to WIN his debate against Christ. We, the christians support Christ who is God and we want to put Christ up higher than any other god. Mohammed is always UNDERNEATH Christ. Christ is always on the TOP of all ... just like the Bible says : Jesus is the KING of all Kings and LORD of all lords.

 

[Yiffzer]

No.

"But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand." -Isaiah 53:10

If so, who was Jesus' wife?

 

[Yiffzer]

Because, he wants to WIN his debate against Christ. We, the christians support Christ who is God and we want to put Christ up higher than any other god. Mohammed is always UNDERNEATH Christ. Christ is always on the TOP of all ... just like the Bible says : Jesus is the KING of all Kings and LORD of all lords.

I'm not sure why you make references to Prophet Muhammad. I only used Prophet Muhammad as an example. If you're using Prophet Muhammad as an example, make sure you mention all the other prophets as well including Moses, Ismail, etc...

I have nothing to win or lose. This is for the sake of education and so far I've learned nothing from you guys who can't even put up a comprehensive argument except re-telling the same lines over and over about Jesus.

Even if Jesus comes as the Messiah, being the king of all kings and the lord of all lords, it still doesn't make him a God. :roll:

 

[Yiffzer]

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with you and the so-called "gospel" of Barnabas, and even some Bible "scholars." This isn't a theocratic dictatorship.

The funny thing is, you can't accept them because it contradicts your belief and your belief is all you know.

If Christians can't "force" the Bible down the throats of unbelievers, then why should unbelievers be allowed to "force" their philosophies down the throats of Christians? Fair is fair.

This isn't a matter of "forcing" anyone's beliefs down anyone's throats. Contrary to what you might think, I have no belief. This discussion is simply a case of bringing proof. All you have shown me is of no substance or proof.

 

[Yiffzer]

Really? Where is that in the Bible?

Can you make clear of this?:

"The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies." Isaiah 42:13

If I'm wrong, can you tell me what these verses refer to?:

"He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you." (John 16:14)
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26)
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me." (John 15:26)
"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken." (Deuteronomy 18:15)

Do you mean this?

Reveleation 16
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Revelation 19
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

There were many false prophets before and after the conception of Jesus Christ. These verses do not necessarily speak of Prophet Muhammad.

Jesus was the only "begotten" Son:

John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; I John 4:9

That still does not make him God.

I trust the Bible.

Based on?

Can you prove that Jesus committed any sins? No.

Can you prove that they did not hide Jesus' sinful acts?
All jokingly aside, I retract my statement. After all, I realized that probably all prophets were sinless.

It wasn't "sudden". Read Hebrews 11, the whole chapter. Jesus Christ has always been the way, and the patriarchs of the Old Testament knew it.

Hebrews 11 is mainly about faith. Moses only foretold of a "Christ". Jews did not pray to Jesus Christ at that time.

 

[Mistyrose]

Apparently, you can't read.

You cant read either and you dont understand the Bible.
You only read the Koran...:roll:
Why you keep on arguing with us Christians? since your
beliefs are different from ours?

I agree with CyberRed that you want to win your debate with us
against Christ..just give it up, ok?
Giveitup,giveitup.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Compared to Tousi and me, they are kids.

Tousi, Defee and Reba...

It sounds that you consider them as "immaturity" kids to compare to you and Tousi because they have different beliefs as you? I consider Yiffzer and RITCount as young intelligent adult. I find their debate posts very interesting... I like to collect different beliefs what they beleive in. It doesn´t mean that they are wrong and your are correct but it´s just that you all have different beliefs.

Its about open mind... to learn to understand where they comes from.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Because, he wants to WIN his debate against Christ. We, the christians support Christ who is God and we want to put Christ up higher than any other god. Mohammed is always UNDERNEATH Christ. Christ is always on the TOP of all ... just like the Bible says : Jesus is the KING of all Kings and LORD of all lords.

But I see different as you... I do not see that everyone tried to win their debate against your belief but show you why they disagree with your belief as the same as you show them why you disagree with their beliefs.

I see nothing wrong when everyone debates in polite way where they have different beliefs as you... I see normal when every beliefs are against each other with disagreement because your and their bibles convince you and them differently. That´s why I am neutral to any beliefs and collect every different beliefs what they believe in...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I really enjoy reading all these different points of views from christlovedeaf and Yiffzer. I wish I can participate but I have VERY limited knowledge about the Bible. These postings help me look at it from an objective point of view and helps me to learn more about the Bible without people screaming at me about going to hell. . However...go easy with the insults or this thread wil be locked. This is becoming interesting and it wud be a shame if it got locked so pls go easy on the insults.

*nodding agreement*