Who is God?

[xentar]

That's when you study the Bible, O Son of God, Xentar!

But I did study the bible! Think about all the problems that Jesus could have solved. At the very least, Jesus could have transcribed passages into the Bible that would have ended sexism, racism and slavery forever.

As the simplest example, think of all of the suffering that slavery has caused. Millions upon millions of people have suffered through the bondage and the remarkable brutality of slavery because Jesus and his Bible fully support it. If Jesus had simply made a clear statement -- "Slavery is forbidden, free all the slaves" -- he could have prevented all of that suffering. Yet Jesus did nothing of the sort. Instead, Jesus endorsed slavery.

In the same way, Jesus could have chosen women to be six of his apostles and made several speeches on the topic of women's equality. By doing that, he would have put a huge dent in sexism. Because Jesus did not do that, we still see the effects of Jesus' sexism in our society today.

At a larger level, if Jesus were God, he could have performed so many real miracles. He could have, for example, eliminated smallpox and a host of other diseases that science is busy eliminating today. Jesus could have given the people of Israel the knowledge that they would need to start a technological society and raise themselves above the primitive living conditions of the day. Jesus could have taught the Israelites about metallurgy, chemistry, biology, physics, manufacturing, mathematics, medicine, engineering, etc., etc., etc. He could have also taught them how to responsibly use these technologies to solve the problems of pollution and habitat destruction that so often accompany them today.

 

[xentar]

you still don't understand why these things happen.

I'm curious, is it because of "God's Plan" as to why these things happen?

Considering "God's plan" is the way that they traditionally explain things like amputations, cancer, hurricanes and car accidents.

 

[Yiffzer]

Okay, there's some possibilities I'd like to mention:

1) Jesus perhaps did some of these things but greedy man suppressed some of these things by not including it in the Bible (especially when it comes to women equality).

2) Jesus was never God and he was merely a human being so he did not know all things but was only instructed by God to say certain things.

3) Jesus was not the Messiah at that moment so he did not do all of these things that you thought would be possible.

4) Inevitably, it was part of God's plan to not allow such a "perfection" happen. Heaven is the only place where all things will be perfect. Earth will only be a trial for human beings.

Giving all the knowledge away to people (such as all scientific things) would defeat the purpose of testing human beings. It would basically be a creation gone to waste. Also, it is important to keep in mind of balance. People view the world as imperfect yet if we include God's intention, it would instead be perfect. Reason being is balance. Hurricanes, cancer, etc. is the natural response to overpopulation, man made pollution, etc.

 

[XBGMER]

Yiffzer


This is "Who is God". You added a christian vs Islam viewpoint is Just intending to hijack a thread.

If you want to debate a christianity vs Islam's belief viewpoint. create your own thread for that.

you still continuing this argument is hijacking the thread.. Enuff!

 

[xentar]

4) Inevitably, it was part of God's plan to not allow such a "perfection" happen. Heaven is the only place where all things will be perfect. Earth will only be a trial for human beings.

Giving all the knowledge away to people (such as all scientific things) would defeat the purpose of testing human beings. It would basically be a creation gone to waste. Also, it is important to keep in mind of balance. People view the world as imperfect yet if we include God's intention, it would instead be perfect. Reason being is balance. Hurricanes, cancer, etc. is the natural response to overpopulation, man made pollution, etc.

For the time being I'll stick with #4. Have you (or anybody) seriously consider what it means when one says "God's Plan"? (or God's intention as you put it) and of course I seriously risk the fact I'm straying from the topic. . .

The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16] Under this view of the universe, God plans everything.

Now let's imagine that you (or somebody) say a prayer in this sort of universe. What difference does it make? God has his plan, and that plan is running down its track like a freight train. If God has a plan, then everyone who died in the (insert major disaster) died for a reason. They had to die, and each death had meaning. Therefore, victims could pray all day, and they would still die. The idea of a "plan" makes the idea of a "prayer-answering relationship with God" a contradiction, doesn't it?

If the plan happens to say that you will get hit by a bus tomorrow, or that terrorists will blow you up, or that you will be shot in the head four times, then that's what will happen. It would be the same with any disease. If you contract cancer this afternoon and die three months later, that is God's plan for you. Praying to cure the cancer is a waste. God plans for you to die, so you will die. He has pre-programmed the exact time of your death. There is nothing you can do to change the plan -- no amount of prayer will help -- because your death will have meaning and your death will cause side-effects that are also part of the plan.

Do you believe that hurricanes, cancer, etc. was created by God to kill millions of people? Do you believe that God is the direct cause of overpopulation, man made pollution, etc? Probably not. But that is what you are saying when you state that hurricane or cancer or anything else is part of "God's plan."

If you think about it as an intelligent person, you will realize that the statement "It is part of God's plan" is one of those meaningless palliatives. When you sit down and think it through using your common sense, the statement makes no sense.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Of course, I DO understand people's POV. Their POVs do not match what Jesus really is. Their POVs don't fit God's point of view.

The problem is that we have many bibles, the authors interpreted differently that's how it lead the people beleive in. Example, you decided to beleive what your bible say and become Christian, it's the same with other people who beleives what their bibles say and become JW, Catholic, Mormon, Baptist, and going on... You can't do anything to against their belief and say that their belief/POV do not match what God or Jesus really is because it's their belief what they believe in.

You cannot say that their belief/POV do not match your belief/POV.

Nobody can say that the POV of your and their beliefs are wrong...

Yours don't fit His, either, because of your disagreement with the Words of God. But, that's still YOUR choice to disagree with Jesus, because He is the Word. His Words are everlastin' and will always be the same.

I would suggest you to re-read my post at 1st page carefully.

I never say that I disagree with Jesus.
I only say that I beleive Jesus was existed on the earth and doubt to beleive either God is exist or not.

I already compared few bibles and found out that it's religion author who interpreted differently. I really have no proof either their interpretion is correct or not.

I only beleive myself how I acheive my life with my own strength to take care of my family and life.

I don't criticize people's beliefs. I stated what the scriptures said. If, they believe in what ever their so called " religion " is....then, they are more than welcome to believe them. It's not necessary for me to drive down and stop by at their houses to twist their arms to make them to believe my God. I just tell it what Jesus taught. I grew up attendin' church for years and learned many things thru readin' the bible. I could judge to some people by correctin' them through the scriptures. I don't believe that people should make Jesus to look like that He lied just, because of His Words were just contradictin' or whatever.

Yes, I know that you stated what the scriptures says and tried to correct them but it doesn't solve anything or change their mind because they beleive what the scriptures of their bibles says more than your.

Nobody says negative about Jesus but that's just because we were being raised and taught to beleive differently.

I guess it would be different story if we have only ONE bible.

You have a looooong way to learn.

You also, too.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

As of POV, doesn't matter if it match or not. Yes, we can share our POV and the reason why they believe differently and we can respond back for same topic why we believe that others don't. But like calling names and cut down their "intellectual" levels, shouldn't be doing. And also, criticizing and judging others of their struggling life or etc, shouldn't be doing. All of us has lots of learn.

*nodding agreement*

 

[Liebling:-)))]

There should be ONE Religon and ONE Bible, it's no-wonders why everyone bashin' each other sayin' who's who's right or wrong is a wastes of time to talk about it...Anyway God purposed that we all should have one religion and one Bible but looks who's buildin' many different religion and who's makin' many different bible, this is totally wrong, It should be ONE Religion and One Bible for all of us in that way none of us would be bashin' each other, Get the message ???

Yes I has to agree with you on this.

God planted the seed in Mary to brings his son Jesus on the earth to preach to people...

Yes, that's exactly what I was raised and was being taught like this. It is pretty illogical that Jesus is God...

Do you realized that someone on this earth change the bible to mislead everyone in the wrong directions and no wonders why everyone is arguin' and fightin' with each other about religions issue ?

That's exactly what the many threads between Evolution and Bible open my eyes. Before I registered this forum here, I was too blind to deny my hubby & boys's belief in Evolution... I try to open my mind and see both sides of Evolution and Bible until I showed the ADers the scriptures of my bibles few years ago... Guess what, they said that my bible is wrong... Danny, my eldest son questioned me why we have different blood group when we came from Eve & Adam's creation. I saw very good point, he made... and then posted on my son's behalf to ADers for their answer... guess what the ADers denied my son's question... That's how it wakes me up!

I know now that we only have one Evolution and many bibles. I would say that the author of many bibles are the blame how to lead the people believe in. The bibles could destory people's relationship sometimes. That's why I stay out of that bible and accept what I am and what I believe in is myself.

Waste waste waste of TIME!!!

Unfortunlately yes!

But it could be good education for us sometimes only if there're polite debate with agree to disagree instead of judge, critizing, bash, etc. It's up to the people who want to know the truth or ignore the truth.

It should be ONE BIBLE, not 2, 3, 4, 5, or many different bible, this is wrong!

Yes I second that.

 

[Yiffzer]

I know now that we only have one Evolution and many bibles. I would say that the author of many bibles are the blame how to lead the people believe in. The bibles could destory people's relationship sometimes. That's why I stay out of that bible and accept what I am and what I believe in is myself.

Just a correction:

There is the Evolution and there is the Bible.

Scientists argue over the actual process of Evolution.
Christians argue over the actual interpretation of who Jesus is and et cetra.

The bottom line?

Scientists believe in the Evolution.
Christians believe in Jesus.

There is no difference.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Just a correction:

There is the Evolution and there is the Bible.

Scientists argue over the actual process of Evolution.
Christians argue over the actual interpretation of who Jesus is and et cetra.

The bottom line?

Scientists believe in the Evolution.
Christians believe in Jesus.

There is no difference.

Well, Creationists (I prefer to use Creationists as neutral word than name the kind of Religions because there're many beliefs around here who beleive in different bibles) and Evolutionists all have the same evidence and facts is Earth, fossils, animals, plants, etc.

The bible is a book, the Religion authors interpret differently, that's how the Creationists interpret from the scriptures of their bibles says and build their own beliefs and create their own religions images to become what they are but Evolutionists don't.

Evolutionists focus real proofs, DNA, etc.

Creationists beleive that the bible book is the word of God and God's creation because they are real and proof.
Evolutionists beleive to develop the theory, nature, genetic material, proofs etc because they are real and proof.

This is a difference.

I'm not saying that Evolution is correct and the bible is wrong but show you the difference.

 

[Angel]

:shaking my head:....

 

[GalaxyAngel]

 

[TFWFalcon]

I have a question about God....... Is ALLDEAF God?.

 

[Yiffzer]

Yes.

 

[Mistyrose]

You have the laughing fit today??
LOL!!!!!!

 

[PePe LePew]

Heh hee hee hee Angel

I surely am shakin' mah head too hee hee hee ...I know what you are thinkin' of this crazy thread, smile and a hugs!

:shaking my head:....

 

[xentar]

People, people!

Sometimes when in doubt i ask myself.. "what would jesus do?" then I remember that he was crucified and that maybe his decision making skills werent all that great... oh nevermind.

 

[Roadrunner]

Mod Note:

Thread's closed for the time being--under review.....

*sighs* Just how many more needs to be closed?? Take the belittling, name-calling, etc...elsewhere!!



Mod Note:

Thread's re-opened...however, there is no excuse to 'thrash' on the ideals of others, no matter how a certain belief feels 'right' or 'superior' to other beliefs--also, all the belittling needs to cease, personal accusations also need to be kept out of AD as well.

The purpose of having such a 'forum' is for those who like to share, debate (respectfully), explore, etc., for those who doesn't want to be a part of this 'forum', there are other forums of interest that one can participate in.

Lastly, respect all those with 'how' they write, use grammar...there is no tolerance here in AD for putting down those who cannot write or use grammar proficiently, otherwise, expect either a warning or ban.

Respect, respect....is the 'key' and is vital for the integrity of Alldeaf and its members.

Also, there was an insertion of humor in this thread that apparently got out of hand, simply done so with miscomprehending it. Some things aren't to be taken seriously, some things are to be taken lightly and with humor in mind.






~RR