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[web730]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! People are sinful! Why is it that the authors/translators of the Bible are suddenly not sinful b/c they wrote the Bible? If the Bible was claimed to have been written by Jesus HIMSELF, then yeah......but it was written by MORTAL MEN WHO ARE SINFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously, you probably missed or overlooked the other past thread explaining that ..

the Bible (a book of books) was all written by sinful yet chosen men but all was inspired by God Himself, actually. That's the sole difference.

The Bible cannot be all in harmony that was written by men in differnt times and in different lives .. yet all in harmony and perfect .. that shows it took Almighty God to make it all working in harmony and perfect.

So pay attention to what all it says before shoot anything against it that the only fools do. Find us a hard proof that anything out there in the world that contradicts against the Bible, can you? Nah. Many has tried that before and failed.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! People are sinful! Why is it that the authors/translators of the Bible are suddenly not sinful b/c they wrote the Bible? If the Bible was claimed to have been written by Jesus HIMSELF, then yeah......but it was written by MORTAL MEN WHO ARE SINFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First of all: Good Rant...


*laughing nodding agreement *

 

[Teresh]

See the bold above ? Question for you : How come you always call a true-believer/Christian a hypocrite when they believe in Jesus who is God ?

Because Reba is a hypocrite. I call her a hypocrite because that is what she is, not because I wish to be mean or spiteful. The New Testament indicates your savior opposed Jews that were hypocritical about their beliefs, those who would loudly pray on street corners or announce to their friends that they were fasting. To say that something is the Word of God and that it must be taken literally and then to ignore so much of it when it is convenient is the very definition of hypocrisy.

hypocrisy (n.)
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.

That fairly accurately describes Reba's religious beliefs. It's an elaborate self-deception she has constructed in order to fit in with the rest of society. To no longer be a hypocrite, she will have to concede that scripture is not to be taken literally or start following all of the rules that Ultra-Orthodox Jews follow. I don't really care what it is that she believes in, as long as she's true to it.

You are talkin' about YOURSELF who is a hypocrite when statin' that to someone else. It's all about you, not them.

So I'm a hypocrite for not believing Yeshua was the Messiah? I've barely even discussed what I believe in, so you'll need to explain to me how you've come to that conclusion.

I am so sure that you would call me a hypocrite, too just because I believe in Jesus who is God, the God-Speakin' Word.

I don't know what you believe in enough to say whether or not you are a hypocrite. Being a Christian default does not make one a hypocrite by default. You're only a hypocrite if you engage in hypocrisy (see the definition above). So I'll pose the same question to you as I posed to Reba--Do you believe the Bible is to be taken literally? And have you ever had a cheeseburger?

Well, don't call Jesus a hypocrite either when someone accept Him as personal Saviour.

I don't think I could faithfully call Yeshua a hypocrite. He was true to himself, true to his beliefs based on everything about him that I have read. It's is fan club that I'm not so sure about.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

No, I am not! How come you and Reba haven't come back with a response? Is it b/c you don't know how to respond?
Hey, they believed the earth was flat!

You think all christians believe earth is flat? No, even non christians believe the world is flat. You looking at labeled people. Like not all jews does what God command them to do. Just like what one specific race not meant all race does the same. There are our responses and you couldn't respond likewise. Not only that, you can blame on christians and say stuff to make appear how I act or reba acts. Bec we love the Lord so much. And I know reba agrees, that our job what God called us to do is share His Love and who He is. God gave Reba and me a different gifts. Reba has her talents and I have different talents, bec God called us different ways. I love to worship the Lord everyday and learn, bec I still live in the flesh, but can't wait to leave this life, but God put me here for His purpose.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

No, you can claim reba or any christians to be a hypocrites. No, new testaments does not oppose the old testaments. Not all christians does stuff as you described about praying and etc. SOME christians do live "like" a hypocrites. True meaning of hypocrites is those who claim to be a christians or people who act nice, but two face is a hypocrites. There are many ways of being a hypocrites. Thru the old testaments Jews has rebelled agaisnt God in many ways and even tho you know some of the law been written is bec jews stubborness as Jesus said. There are many ways jews has done in different incidents. Like the time of Jeremiah, how jews, religious leaders, prophets and etc done very evil. God was angry. Now, when Yeshua came, we are now live in New Covenant. Is that mean, we can sin? NO! One thing is change, NO MORE SACRIFICES and NO LAW will be held against us. Its all on the cross, nailed. Jesus took all our punishments upon Himself. Without Him, we re still under the law and punished. Really, old and new testament connected, nothing contrary. But as Paul said about meat, if a person still refuse eat meat, respect the person, and if a person eat meat, respect the person. Even Jesus points out, when religious leaders criticized Him by grabbing food, then Jesus said, have you read about King David? He ate holy bread in the temple which should be forbidden? The reason for the laws, bec the stubborness of these jews. That's what been happening. I know Reba doesn't think highly of herself and I don't either, bec its nothing good about me, but live by saving grace and must rely on God, tho I do make mistakes along the way, but must giving myself to Him daily. He is an awesome God who reign in Heaven above with wisdome, power and love.

 

[Teresh]

One thing is change, NO MORE SACRIFICES and NO LAW will be held against us. Its all on the cross, nailed.

I don't see how one man being crucified would make God want to suspend all of his commandments. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense to me. Your answer is that the reason is the divinity of Yeshua, something I personally do not believe in. I don't think a man, no matter how noble, can ever be God.

 

[Rose Immortal]

Hootster--it is very unkind to mock another person's religion.

And I'm not JUST saying that because you happened to be mocking Christianity.

What you did is mock our religion because of some who take it to inappropriate extremes.

For the SAME reason I thought the Muhammad cartoons that sparked off so much protest in the Middle East were wrong--I have known and currently know Muslims who are very anti-terror and would never support any of the things the extremists are doing, and they do not deserve it.

I would suggest that the mockery stop now because the only direction that can go is south.

 

[RedFox]

the Bible (a book of books) was all written by sinful yet chosen men but all was inspired by God Himself, actually. That's the sole difference.

The Bible cannot be all in harmony that was written by men in differnt times and in different lives .. yet all in harmony and perfect .. that shows it took Almighty God to make it all working in harmony and perfect.

How do you know that it's the inspired word of your god?

So pay attention to what all it says before shoot anything against it that the only fools do. Find us a hard proof that anything out there in the world that contradicts against the Bible, can you? Nah. Many has tried that before and failed.

There is plenty in the big table on this page, which has fundamentalists' reponses and the reponses to those.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

I don't see how one man being crucified would make God want to suspend all of his commandments. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense to me. Your answer is that the reason is the divinity of Yeshua, something I personally do not believe in. I don't think a man, no matter how noble, can ever be God.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. No, God does not suspend the commandments. Jesus knows the hurt of the people, like He said, Jesus out to help those who are in needs and sick, not people who are well, that's He spoken to the religious leaders, bec thinking God pleases them. When Jesus was born is not His first life begin, only first life is become human like us, but no sin in Him. He gave up all His glory to come here to become like us, as of Old Testaments said, noone recognize Him. He think highly about Himself and taking above position over the Father? Not one bit. Being self righteous is like filthy rags. Bec sin still in the person. Then how can we get to God? The Blood atonements. His sinless Blood, so called Perfect Lamb sacrifice. If its not so, then don't waste time involve religion, no matter how we strived, we are doomed. You think God wants that? NOT one bit, and why you think Jesus desired to give up to die for us, and that's the Father desires for the people. Many jews are still stubborn as the time of old testaments, not only jews, many people too. Like I said, that's why I share this the reason I believe. Not only that, its not matter of opinion, bec it it the fact why God did the plans and its beautiful.

 

[deafdyke]

It's INSPIRED by God......INSPIRED!!!! The Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie was INSPIRED by real life events, but that doesn't make the movie true!
Pastor's sermons are all inspired by God, but there's STILL significent disagreement over how to accurately interpret verses and what the Bible MEANS! Calvinism vs. Armenism, vs tons and tons of deabtes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it was the True Clear Word of God don't you think EVERYONE would agree on What God Wants, and there'd be NO disagreement whatsoever?
Christian Identity, the Ku Klux Klan, and Westboro Baptist Church are all INSPIRED by what's in the Bible.....

 

[Rose Immortal]

I believe that the inspiration by God, in the Bible, was VERY strong--stronger than any other written work out there. Still, I do believe that things like mistranslation and misapplication can and do happen, which is why I take my responsibility to study my religion seriously. There are some literalists who would have me damned for this. But I know what relationship I have with God and in whom I believe.

I also believe that at times, in the past, others who were in other parts of the world may have caught glimpses of truth--in fact, I believe that anything true in this world comes from God. I think that some of these other legends from the past were in essence prefigurings of the Crucifixion.

In fact, I've actually been playing with this notion in a fantasy story I've been writing, where centuries before this "otherworld" has events occur that bring Christianity to them, a legend starts to circulate around certain tribes about a "dying God". In the world of my story, anyway, I treat those legends as having come from certain visionaries who may have seen what was going to happen to that world in the future. Some tried to use the legends as "anti" evidence when it wasn't.

 

[deafdyke]

Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists have writings that are "inspired by God" but aren't reconized as inspired by those outside of the religion!

 

[hottiedeafboi]

Well, I don't care what other religion or people or whatever are saying. The problem is this, many didn't know that Calvin and Aremiia are friends, but different perspective, both are christian, and close friends. Focal point btwn them is PRESDESTINED, calvinist believes God decide who will be saved, aremia believes God gave people freewill to choices (that I believe), the rreason I believe. If God does decide who, then Jesus wouldn't say anyone who comes to Me will be saved. What drawn people to be saved, its the leading of the Holy Spirit, and people respond, accept it or reject it. Also the difference between two is one believes grace plus works, others believes grace alone (that I believe), the reason, because I must give up myself to let God works in me, we are saved by grace, not of urself, it is a gift of God, not works. One believe you can be saved, but may lose your salvations, and others, eternal security (that I believe), the reason, if based on my performance to make the eternal life, then Jesus should die needlessly. If the doctrine believes that Jesus is the Son of God and believes in Triune God, mean 3 persons (one God), if not, then the doctrine is false and made God a liar. The key what God wants is you and give up yourself and have Christ in you, made the difference. Doesn't matter what church, what religion or anything else will lead the Way. Bec all of us sinned, not one person is without sin. Again, Jesus isn't born sinner, bec His name is Immanuel, mean God with us.

 

[ccpizza]

I don't see how one man being crucified would make God want to suspend all of his commandments. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense to me. Your answer is that the reason is the divinity of Yeshua, something I personally do not believe in. I don't think a man, no matter how noble, can ever be God.

that is good question. When ask myself good question I suggest look in Bible for reference to whatever people talk about. Here is one Bible reference may help clear.


Col. 2:14-17
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[deafdyke]

The problem is this, many didn't know that Calvin and Aremiia are friends, but different perspective, both are christian, and close friends.

Yes, but there are STILL MANY MANY MANY MANY different opinons on God and theology. If there weren't don't you think there would be ONE universal way of seeing things? With all the different opinons out there, who do you decide who's right?

 

[hottiedeafboi]

Depend what you mean, but did explained on other thread. If religions, there are many diiferent ways of believing gods. But in denominations, like bapt, methodist, assembly of God, and etc, those who believe in Christ, for going to church does not make you a christian. Also, each of the churches has different odinances, legalist and other kind in the church, none of that make you become a christian. Christian is a person acknowledge who Christ is and agree with God that I have sinned, and ask Christ in you. Church name isn't make you a christian. All believe the same God, The Father, God, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. That's the key of christianity.

 

[Reba]

Not saying that it was, just confirming that you ignore the parts of scripture that are inconvenient to you, while claiming that the text is to be taken literally. You've stated that you're a hypocrite. That's good. Are you going to acknowledge it, or better yet, correct it?

Where do I "ignore parts of scripture that are inconvenient"?

Do you understand the meaning of the word "literal"?

Example: God literally told the Levitical men how to dress for their priestly duties. God did NOT tell all people of the world to dress as Levitical priests.

I try to make the examples as simple as possible.

Did you understand what I said about passages that apply to specific individuals or groups? We seem to have a communication gap.

How am I a hypocrite?

 

[Reba]

No, I am not! How come you and Reba haven't come back with a response? Is it b/c you don't know how to respond?

I don't know about you, but I don't spend all my free time on the computer. Excuse me if I don't "respond" to every post immediately. I do have a life, and I don't have time to read every post every day.

Hey, they believed the earth was flat!

Who did?

 

[Reba]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! People are sinful! Why is it that the authors/translators of the Bible are suddenly not sinful b/c they wrote the Bible? If the Bible was claimed to have been written by Jesus HIMSELF, then yeah......but it was written by MORTAL MEN WHO ARE SINFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this the post you were referring to, that needed a quick response? Sorry, I didn't know it addressed to me.

All people are sinners. Some people are sinners redeemed and used by God. God breathed His words into their souls, and they wrote them down.

If Jesus Himself sat down, and with His hands wrote each and every word of the Bible, in English, just for you, would you believe the Bible then?

 

[Reba]

I don't see how one man being crucified would make God want to suspend all of his commandments.

Only one perfect sinless man, Jesus Christ was worthy of sacrifice. Jesus was perfect and sinless because He was also God.

God didn't "suspend" all of His commandments. He transferred the penalty of His judgments against us onto His Son.

... I don't think a man, no matter how noble, can ever be God.

You are right that no man, no matter how noble, can ever be God.

Jesus didn't become God because He is noble.
Jesus is noble because He is God.

Jesus was already God when He put on a human body so He could live, die, and rise up among us.