Who are we talking about?

[XBGMER]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! People are sinful! Why is it that the authors/translators of the Bible are suddenly not sinful b/c they wrote the Bible? If the Bible was claimed to have been written by Jesus HIMSELF, then yeah......but it was written by MORTAL MEN WHO ARE SINFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let you know i do nothing on your side nor on their side. however, Your post is PREFECT NAIL on their HEAD!

 

[Rose Immortal]

Yes, but there are STILL MANY MANY MANY MANY different opinons on God and theology. If there weren't don't you think there would be ONE universal way of seeing things? With all the different opinons out there, who do you decide who's right?

To be totally honest, the best I can do is to do my research, observe the world, pray, and try to go with what I know makes the most sense...as I personally believe in a God who tends to make a good deal of sense even if we finite types don't always get all of the pieces. I am sure that in the next world I will learn about many mistakes I made. I hope that I'm more right than wrong, and believe I am, but I do hope to be taught in those areas where I fell short.

That's something I have a feeling some other Christians agree with, but it isn't always a comfortable thing to admit to. But I feel content enough with my own faith that I can also admit these faults.

 

[web730]

How do you know that it's the inspired word of your god?

You don't believe in God's almight ability to inspire these Bible writers in harmony? I do and hope that you take his Word seriously.


There is plenty in the big table on this page, which has fundamentalists' reponses and the reponses to those.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a christian fundamentalist. I beileve the Bible 100% unregarding what they claim to find what they believe that condradicts with what they said.

 

[web730]

I don't see how one man being crucified would make God want to suspend all of his commandments. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense to me. Your answer is that the reason is the divinity of Yeshua, something I personally do not believe in. I don't think a man, no matter how noble, can ever be God.

So this is because you think differently with the christians' beliefs and set yourself apart from the body of Christ.

One has to believe in Jesus as the Messiah and that of his death at the cross and rescurrect to be with his Father, God and is given all the power to pardon all sins caused by us believers who believe in Jesus and God and shall be home with God and his son, Jesus. It seems like that you already heard of that?

By the way, you believe the Torah only, am I right? (I didn't follow up much of your comments but some of that before in other thread posts.)

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So far, I don't find Reba being a hyprocite as you called her yet. Don't call anybody a hyprocite in what they believe. I even find some are yet I don't say it because it's not in my right to do so. It's not right of your rude comment on her so please be respectable. okay?

You and I were rude to each other very few times before, and I do know that both you and I were wrong for that part. Admit it. Peace, okay?

 

[RedFox]

You don't believe in God's almight ability to inspire these Bible writers in harmony? I do and hope that you take his Word seriously.

It looks like you hold that view about the bible being perfect and the inspired word of your god to be an unquestionable axiom. Believing in a god's ability to inspire writers and taking the writings seriously as inspired by the god can only happen after there is enough good evidence for the god in the first place. Having belief in the Christian god with no evidence has equal validity to all other things that also have no evidence, such as Allah, Zeus, Quetzalcoatl, Torah, Ra, Shango and Mani.

Is this a reason Christians believe that the bible was inspired by their god?

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Isn't that verse in the bible, therefore making it part of the scripture that it is talking about? That makes using that verse to say that the bible was inspired circular.

I'm not a christian fundamentalist. I beileve the Bible 100% unregarding what they claim to find what they believe that condradicts with what they said.

I understand Christian fundamentalists to be people who believe that the bible is perfect and inspired by their god and who would hold that belief, in spite any and all evidence to the contrary, such as the other gods like Mithra and Horus discussed in this thread. What do you mean by Christian fundamentalist?

 

[Teresh]

Where do I "ignore parts of scripture that are inconvenient"?

Wherever you say that it doesn't apply to you when the text indicates otherwise.

Do you understand the meaning of the word "literal"?

literal adj.
1. Being in accordance with, conforming to, or upholding the exact or primary meaning of a word or words.
2. Word for word; verbatim: a literal translation.
3. Avoiding exaggeration, metaphor, or embellishment; factual; prosaic: a literal description; a literal mind.
4. Consisting of, using, or expressed by letters: literal notation.
5. Conforming or limited to the simplest, nonfigurative, or most obvious meaning of a word or words.

I've used the word "literal" according to its denotation. Unless there's some other definition that has escaped all dictionaries other than the Lexicon of Reba, that is the definition of the word.

Example: God literally told the Levitical men how to dress for their priestly duties. God did NOT tell all people of the world to dress as Levitical priests.

Yes, and wherever God has prescribed a task for a particular group of people, God stated so. You apparenty like to insert such prescription passages where it would make you less of a sinner to suit your tastes.

Did you understand what I said about passages that apply to specific individuals or groups? We seem to have a communication gap.

I understood what you said. Under scrutiny, it doesn't hold up.

How am I a hypocrite?

I've already spelled it out for you. I don't need to explain it any further. You say one thing, yet do another.

You are right that no man, no matter how noble, can ever be God.

Then why do you insist on making Yeshua out to be a God?

So this is because you think differently with the christians' beliefs and set yourself apart from the body of Christ.

I'm not a Christian.

By the way, you believe the Torah only, am I right? (I didn't follow up much of your comments but some of that before in other thread posts.)

There's more to my religion than scripture (and more scripture than just Torah).

You and I were rude to each other very few times before, and I do know that both you and I were wrong for that part. Admit it. Peace, okay?

There's a difference between being rude and calling one's bluff. I'm debating. That's not being rude. Being rude is condemning ideas simply because you disargee with them.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

Teresh, the way I see, you couldn't get the point reba explained and no, she did not say differently on each response. She explained clearly and all has accurate answers and point from the questions when each asked the questions and etc. And the way I see you doing, you have cutting her down, saying of Rebas "bluff'. You have gone to extreme on that. Yes, we have different respect of beliefs and we give out why we believe what and who we believe.

 

[deafdyke]

Well first of all, back in the old days they believed that the world was flat, based on verses in the Bible that claim that the Earth is flat. Didn't you learn in school about how people in Columbus' time thought the world was flat?

If Jesus Himself sat down, and with His hands wrote each and every word of the Bible, in English, just for you, would you believe the Bible then?

In English, no. In a language that was like the speaking in tongues that's talked about in Pentecost, YES! (the thing where one person spoke to another in the former's language, and the latter understood it as the former speaking to them in THEIR own language)
But the thing is, if the Bible WAS God inspired, then the meaning of it would be clear to EVERYONE. It would be PERFECT, and accurate in EVERY detail. Yet, there are inaccuracies galore! If God is perfect, and incapiable of imperfection, then how is it that the Bible is so contradictory? Why is it that there's all these arguements over What God Wants?
I think there are kernals of truth in the Bible, but man is just so sinful, that they cannot accurately know God or serve as God's transcribers.
That's why there are so many errors and inaccuaries in the Bible!
I actually think that the Bible was intended to be an allegory, rather then the literal truth.

 

[Teresh]

Teresh, the way I see, you couldn't get the point reba explained and no, she did not say differently on each response.

Oh, no, I understood her point quite well, I'm just stating that her point is actually incorrect.

 

[Reba]

Wherever you say that it doesn't apply to you when the text indicates otherwise.

As far as I know, I haven't done that.

I've used the word "literal" according to its denotation. Unless there's some other definition that has escaped all dictionaries other than the Lexicon of Reba, that is the definition of the word.

That's the definition I use, too. But you have yet to show me which verses I have not taken literally.

Yes, and wherever God has prescribed a task for a particular group of people, God stated so. You apparenty like to insert such prescription passages where it would make you less of a sinner to suit your tastes.

Do you deny those passages and their meaning? I can give you the Scripture references if you want.

I understood what you said. Under scrutiny, it doesn't hold up.

How? What doesn't hold up?

I've already spelled it out for you. I don't need to explain it any further. You say one thing, yet do another.

There is nothing to explain, is there?

Then why do you insist on making Yeshua out to be a God?

Jesus Himself said He is God. But you don't want me to quote NT verses.

Why do you insist on making Yeshua not be God?

There's a difference between being rude and calling one's bluff. I'm debating.

I didn't realize name calling was part of a mature, reasoned debate.

Being rude is condemning ideas simply because you disargee with them.

You said it, not me.

 

[Teresh]

Jesus Himself said He is God. But you don't want me to quote NT verses.

The Reverend Sun Myung Moon said he's God too. Would you trust anyone walking around claiming to be God? If I told you I'm God, would you worship me?

Bow down and worship me, Reba, for I am the Almighty God! Mwhahahahahaha....

If you're not bowing down and worshipping, you're going to Hell!

Did you find that offensive? If you didn't, you have a sense of humor. If you did, then you'll understand why not everyone agrees with Yeshua being God as based on Christian teaching, that's pretty much what happened.

Why do you insist on making Yeshua not be God?

Make him out to not be God? That's absurd. If he was God, and given that I believe in God, logic holds that I would believe he's God. Now, the issue here is that I don't believe that he's God, which thus conversely states that he is not God, at least for me.

That belief, that perception, is part of what constitutes my beliefs. Your belief, your perception, is part of what constitutes your beliefs. The issue here is that you lack the ability to wear another's shoes, to see the world through another's eyes.

 

[deafdyke]

Jesus Himself said He is God. But you don't want me to quote NT verses.

Why do you insist on making Yeshua not be God?

How can He be both God and the Son of God? If He was God, then how come He prayed to God on the cross?

 

[Reba]

Well first of all, back in the old days they believed that the world was flat, based on verses in the Bible that claim that the Earth is flat. Didn't you learn in school about how people in Columbus' time thought the world was flat?

I learned in school that certain groups of people believed the world was flat. But it wasn't because they were Christians, or that they read it in the Bible. (Most people at that time weren't allowed to read the Bible in their own language.) Anyway, Christopher Columbus believed the world was NOT flat, based on Bible verses. The Bible never says that the world is flat, and that ships would sail off the edge.

In English, no.

I suggested English because that way you couldn't say that someone "changed" the words of Jesus thru faulty translation.

In a language that was like the speaking in tongues that's talked about in Pentecost, YES! (the thing where one person spoke to another in the former's language, and the latter understood it as the former speaking to them in THEIR own language)

OK. Then that would be English for you, right? You read and write in English, correct?

But the thing is, if the Bible WAS God inspired, then the meaning of it would be clear to EVERYONE.

The people at Pentecost understood each other because the Holy Spirit was present, and He gave them understanding. That is the same today. When the Holy Spirit is present in a Christian, that person can understand the Bible. Without the Holy Spirit, the Bible is as foolishness.

I Corinthians 2:
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

... Why is it that there's all these arguements over What God Wants?

Because people don't want to quite their sins, and surrender to God. It is easier to deny sins than to repent from them.

...I actually think that the Bible was intended to be an allegory, rather then the literal truth.

An allegory of what?


The literal truth is, we are all sinners, Jesus is perfect sinless LORD, and He offers salvation to any and all who will trust Him.
The people who refuse Jesus will use any excuse, and will deny every proof. No person can convince them. Only the Holy Spirit can.

 

[Reba]

... The issue here is that you lack the ability to wear another's shoes, to see the world through another's eyes.

OIC.

In that case, I end my participation in this thread. When I saw the title of this thread "Who are we talking about?" I thought it referred to the names listed in the poll. I didn't realize it was about me.

My policy is to discuss ideas, not each other, especially in a negative way. When I discuss the divinity and saving power of Jesus Christ, I want the focus on Him, not me. Apparently that is not possible here, so I should withdraw before this thread deteriates into name calling or bashing.

I only request that my name not be used (negatively or positively) in any other posts in this thread. That is the totally wrong focus.

 

[Reba]

How can He be both God and the Son of God? If He was God, then how come He prayed to God on the cross?

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[hottiedeafboi]

The only thing is this, Jesus Christ is who we focus on. Some bashing, name calling and twist word, even, may have one phrase seems obvious but not context of it. Gotta have the whole message, even stereotyping christianity how claiming ALL does that which not so. Rather stand my faith of the truth of the gospel and not ashame of who He is. His Name will be lifted up and all the crowns we receive (those who are christians), will giving back to Him at His feet bec what HE did on the cross and thanksgiving and praise will be giving to the Father and the Son. Forever will be praise.

 

[jazzy]

The only thing is this, Jesus Christ is who we focus on. Some bashing, name calling and twist word, even, may have one phrase seems obvious but not context of it. Gotta have the whole message, even stereotyping christianity how claiming ALL does that which not so. Rather stand my faith of the truth of the gospel and not ashame of who He is. His Name will be lifted up and all the crowns we receive (those who are christians), will giving back to Him at His feet bec what HE did on the cross and thanksgiving and praise will be giving to the Father and the Son. Forever will be praise.

Do u honestly believe those christian fundamental who continue bashing my own faith and others still get to go to heaven without correct their own sins. They need to look themselves first and see what they have done to people alike me and others. I do not agree with some of their belief by saying anyone who are saved by accept Jesus Christ as their own savior then go straight to heaven. What ever happened to the victims whom never got a chance to live a full life while their "saved murderers" get to go to heaven while the "unsaved" victims burned in hell forever. It does not agree with me even it say so in the bible. I am allowed to disagree with some of written in the bible. I believe the bible is not 100 percent right since it has changed many language over again and again thru the ages.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

Those who truly received Christ, that is like "swap". Performance or "good living" is still stained in sin. The Blood covers ALL sin, we are humans, so easy to judge people of "their" sin instead of my own. And so easy to not to forgive than to forgive. Only God see the hearts who genuinely gave their lives to Christ. Only sin that won't be forgiven is those who died without Christ. Truly, its sad for by taken other life which steal there further decision, but tragic, death comes regard if anyone who been murder or not, death always unexpected. You basing label of religion or denonminations or other stuff. None of that will lead to Heaven, sin stain robbed us, but the Blood which covered for those who ask Christ in their life, again, remember, GOd sees the heart, not just verbal oppose what you confess from the heart.

 

[XBGMER]

I actually can't imagine that 'could you all christians preach/ teach to blind and mental retard people about jesus, if the real blind and mental retard people will understand about jesus christ what you preach'? They will ask you what the form of jesus look like and thousand questions you can handle by what the blind and or mental retard people ask?? What if they dont believe you in everything you preach nor they have understanding about Jesus Christ and GOD?

 

[hottiedeafboi]

Like I said, God knows the heart and problem is this, worrying about "them" instead of yourself. The question is, are you mental retarded? About blind, tje picture of Jesus isn't exactly what He looks like. And its not important what He looks like, important is who He is. Always trying to make excuse to find a way other than accepting the truth.